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On October 31 2013 15:09 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 15:06 Obzy wrote:I don't really expect to be sheeped; being confirmed doesn't exactly make my reads better, or more correct. You can just be certain that they're genuine lol. Storr, your post just now, once again, doesn't actually say anything about reads. It talks about general ideas in the game of mafia as a whole, but you don't seem to have opinions on anybody actually in the game except me because I'm IC. On October 31 2013 14:54 StorrZerg wrote:I would look closer at the people who are going buddy buddy with Obzy, agreeing with what ever he says. I don't really think anybody's done that yet - maybe Von, a little bit, with his read dump - but he's getting quite rightly lambasted for it. Rather, you actually haven't looked closely at anybody, you've merely stated that it would be wise to be wary of the people that are following the confirmed townie, because you yourself are currently that confirmed townie's target blah blah blah. Your recent post didn't actually say anything relevant to the game at hand, even though you're here, and capable of doing so. sheeping you as a mafia is a great way to stay under the radar and provide "content" with out actually doing anything. thinking its not a thing mafia would do is kinda stupid imo like you going on someone, they can follow with little back lash if they flip town, or if they flip mafia they get mega cred for helping to kill a mafia
Can't you simply say that what you are doing right now, discussing sheepign on the IC (when nobody in particular is doing this, although you might be trying to subtly jab at me, I can't tell) is exactly "a great way to stay under the radar and provide "content" without actually doing anything."
Who in particular do you think is doing what you're saying?
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I don't expect to give anybody any cred for helping kill mafia whatsoever. I expect to give them cred based on the way I've read them, not just because they weakly followed a lynch that happened to be correct lol.
Even your most recent post is purposeless.
Okay, I'm just gonna go ahead and take a small stand here and say that we all need to be consolidating on StorrZerg. If I'm wrong, feel free to blame me later.
Storr's filter this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102&user=StorrZerg&view=all
Storr's filter in Hogwarts Mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052&user=StorrZerg&view=all
The primary difference is the fact that in this game, he hasn't produced reads or contributed in meaningful ways at all, while in the other, a quick skim alone of his filter shows him having opinions left and right. In this game, it's deflection, dismissal, threats to lurkers, and random tidbits of mafia game theory wisdom.
If you are not voting Storr, I would like a specific reason why. I think that he's pretty definitively the best lynch today. His return to the thread has been incredibly underwhelming, he's made no effort to produce reads, bleh.
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Why the heck would you sheep Obzy for scum?
Can't you read the thread yourself and come up with it?
If you can't at least you could bring up counter arguments to help guide our IC onto the right path (You know... Umm.. Like I'm doing?)
DO something.
You can't just say "OBZY IS CONFIRMED TOWN!! OBV RIGHT!! LYNCH X,Y,Z~~!!"
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On October 31 2013 15:14 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 15:09 StorrZerg wrote:On October 31 2013 15:06 Obzy wrote:I don't really expect to be sheeped; being confirmed doesn't exactly make my reads better, or more correct. You can just be certain that they're genuine lol. Storr, your post just now, once again, doesn't actually say anything about reads. It talks about general ideas in the game of mafia as a whole, but you don't seem to have opinions on anybody actually in the game except me because I'm IC. On October 31 2013 14:54 StorrZerg wrote:I would look closer at the people who are going buddy buddy with Obzy, agreeing with what ever he says. I don't really think anybody's done that yet - maybe Von, a little bit, with his read dump - but he's getting quite rightly lambasted for it. Rather, you actually haven't looked closely at anybody, you've merely stated that it would be wise to be wary of the people that are following the confirmed townie, because you yourself are currently that confirmed townie's target blah blah blah. Your recent post didn't actually say anything relevant to the game at hand, even though you're here, and capable of doing so. sheeping you as a mafia is a great way to stay under the radar and provide "content" with out actually doing anything. thinking its not a thing mafia would do is kinda stupid imo like you going on someone, they can follow with little back lash if they flip town, or if they flip mafia they get mega cred for helping to kill a mafia Can't you simply say that what you are doing right now, discussing sheepign on the IC (when nobody in particular is doing this, although you might be trying to subtly jab at me, I can't tell) is exactly "a great way to stay under the radar and provide "content" without actually doing anything." Who in particular do you think is doing what you're saying?
idk if anyone is sheeping on the IC and i doubt that no one has
i havn't been able to read the thread and comb through it yet.
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If you have a bad feeling about someone... Post it.
Then include in that post;
For what reason, from their perspective, how this helps the town.
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@obzy at least your pushing and asking town to consolidate
disappointed its on me but i guess i can't really blame you. .
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As I admitted, I made bad posts. Nothing about what I've done will flat out clear me, and it's perfectly reasonable to keep an eye on me.
My priority is finding mafia, or at least a good day one lynch. Think it's more important than clearing my name right now.
So without further ado, main reads after rereading filters:
Tehpoofter started by jumping on me. Reasonable. But the reasoning he provided, about me not directly addressing Balla, feels like a way to seem productive rather than an actual contribution. I think he talks about outside matters too much for my taste; it just isn't helpful and I think that the only game-relevant effect is as an excuse for lurking. From then on, he's been continuing to attack me or explaining himself. His explanations are pretty logical to me, but he's also not being helpful. I still think there's a good chance he's scum.
Storr: It's great that he's trying to direct town to be productive, but he isn't providing anything that helps find mafia (seems helpful without providing the most important part). He's been around in the thread a bit too long for that to seem normal. And it looks like he's not going to be helpful for a while. He looks bad, he knows it, not much more to say. I'll be waiting for his analyses.
onlywonderboy: I'm not liking what he's posted. Only person he's casted suspicion on is me, which takes no effort. He also mentions that I'm not super scummy for some reason. Meanwhile, he just tells us to look for other lynch options from nyx and July, but he doesn't call them town personally go looking for any lynch options. Might be mafia deflecting from a teammate or two, but it seems a bit silly to make connections with teammates already. It also keeps town from doing stuff, if he tries to move the conversation around without telling who he thinks should be talked about. I think it's likely that he's trying to look good and openminded without committing to any reads, which is scummy. Contribute more please.
July: Very first post, he makes a point to call it his "town post". What. This looks like he only cares about looking town, not finding mafia. I don't think mafia would be dumb enough to say that. Then he states repeatedly that he won't make useless posts, but each one of those posts is useless. I don't even know what to think.
At this point I'm feeling a poofter lynch. July confuses me more than anything. He looks bad, but I don't see how his posts help mafia. I'm waiting on Storr's actual analyses, but with his lack of content I'd settle for lynching him. poofter being useless after being called out several times is what I think makes him look worse than owb, but if owb doesn't contribute more I'd be fine with lynching him too.
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@Odin
With the redirect thing that started with the Storr comment I think was just a quick overreaction from the early pressure he didn't expect and then when people questioned him about it afterwards I think he answered fine and handled the pressure great after that.
@balla
E00e is my top scum read at this point. His first post he talks about how he thinks Jonnys pressure seems wrong and doesn't say way, and I thought he was raising good questions to pressure people at that point. Then he hops on the cake is scum wagon and doesn't say why. After that he didn't say much besides he thought Julys and Jonnys posts are inconsistent which I don't understand and when asked to explain the post he doesn't really give good reasons why they are inconsistent. For Jonny he says he didn't form a plan after to catch mafia after he said we should make one. He didn't tell us a plan but after that post about making a plan he put a lot of pressure onpeople by asking questions which what townies should be doing. A towns job isn't to stay alive, its to find the mafia even if it means their own death, to ask the questions like who isn't like the others so the team can win. His reason for July for being inconsistent was that he didn't make on point posts when he said he was going to. I would agree with that statement if it was made a little bit later but at the time he posted that July made 2 posts which I thought were on point(not a good point though) and after that he didn't really post anything.
Second scum read is July. July looks suspicious since he hasn't posted a lot like myself and in the few posts he has had he called out Nyx's poor first post which Nyx later explained a lot better then jumps on Balla for saying his reasoning for disliking Nyx's post is not enough. The thing that looks really scummy for me is he jumps on Vanesco saying he was new and that it wasn't helping his case when all Van was saying he was just new to the TL forum format and didn't know how to link a post. I don't know how July misinterpreted that when Van was clear about what he was talking about. After Van told him what he meant July was like you are just digging a hole for himself which he wasn't imo. After that he says the pointless banter between him and vanesco won't continue since he doesn't want to be a bad town and have useless posts but he was the one who started the banter in the first place.When Balla points that out he plays the i am new/bad at this game but words it differently by saying he doesn't grasp what points people are trying to make across, I find that funny because the whole reason the Vanesco/July thing started was July telling Van that being new wasn't a valid excuse
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##Vote E00e
voting for him now cause he is one of my main 2 scum reads as I posted above and voting for him over July since we need majority to lynch and E00e currently has more votes than July currently.
Also first day phase ends at 8 pm eastern right or am I reading this countdown wrong
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##Vote E00e
Forgot to bold.
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So I am now back and should be for a bit over an hour until I go to bed.
Currently I am still waiting on E00e. I think we all agreed to lynch lurkers and he has been called out three times. First by July, no response. Then later by me, no response. Suddenly I vote him, and guess what a response. What has he done since, nada. All of the "reads" he has said he have either been: "i agree with", "i disagree with", or questions. At least on storr there is some activity by him when town wants him to talk, but E00e was called out and has gone back into hiding. I would rather lynch E00e at this point before lynching storr.
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@ Vonhing, That's a load of horse crap and you know it.
I'm getting bad vibes from Storr, But I have not has a chance to post these yet.
As such people should assume my last post is my stance.
Storr is a light townie read from me. This was the stance from my last post. If anything maby kock him to a Null.
Yes, while I've dug up some more interesting stuff since then, I have not posted it.
Do not assume to sheep my votes until I have voted on it.
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Actually Von,
I mis interpret you post entirely.
Pls ignore my last comment.
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Why is it a load of horse crap?
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Please refer to my post I made like 20 seconds after I posted that.
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Ok. I ask because it was the same opinion on cake that I had as well and we both previously posted it. Do you find it reasonable now?
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I will have to go to sleep soon.
I will try to get my Storr read up before I go to bed.
Alas though, I will probably be gone another 28-30 hours after I leave.
If anyone has any questions for me,
ask them now.
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You won't be around till night?
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No. I think Cake looks bad.
Cake looks bad,
July looks bad,
Jonny looks bad.
Nyx looks bad. The only reason I'm giving him slack right now is becuase he played the same last match.
He was town btw.
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Like i know i haven't done much in regards of reads and i feel in order to give good reads i need to have a set amount of time that i can do those things. Till then the best thing i can do is to help push town in the right direction. The right direction IS to get a LYNCH this day. We need Majority to get a lynch, so people who are throwing votes out right now, you really need to address Obzy when he is talking about myself. and why you want to vote someone else.
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