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Vanesco
United States105 Posts
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OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
I work at 6:20. I will be gone from 6-pushing 7 or 8 pm my time. 100% sure. If I'm lucky I'll be back by 4 or 5 (13-14 hours from now.) So if anyone has questions, ask them now. I might be able to drop in before I go to work, I might be able to drop in on my lunch. I won't promise either of these things. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 31 2013 15:59 Vanesco wrote: What are peoples opinions on E00e? He has done nothing to this game, has hidden from accusations, and is a lurker. It seems like everytime he is brought up people just forget about him. I've posted my read on him... but you might be able to sway me dependent on his response tomorrow. I don't think I can add anything more tonight, so I'm gonna head to sleep. I'll be on all day as usual :/ | ||
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cakemanofdoom
336 Posts
On second thought, though, he is lurking hard. He's not being helpful, and it's pretty easy to not show scumminess when you're not showing much at all. An okay lynch compared to no lynch. Odin, anything in particular you want from me? I can try to address any burning questions you have, though I'd rather focus on scumhunting since it doesn't look like I need to defend myself from a lynch right now. | ||
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Vanesco
United States105 Posts
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OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
On October 30 2013 01:07 StorrZerg wrote: anyone here thinkg sc2 is better than bw? This guy should be lynched or modkilled period. HAHA !! OK! I just kid! It's only jest (but seriously fucking mod kill this traitor LOL.) Storr comes in real early with the "Iunno what to think of this" post vs Balla. It seems strange to me since Balla's statement not only makes a lot of sense to me... it also seems very pro town to me. I ended up writing this off as bad townie play since he didn't give me much else to work with at the time. Following post pretty much explains "Yo, I'm StorrZerg in a lot of places"/ stupid babbling that I can't hold over his head since someone else asked the dumb questions and he was simply answering. Still a townie read from me. [spoiler][QUOTE]On October 30 2013 13:41 StorrZerg wrote: [QUOTE]On October 30 2013 09:46 StorrZerg wrote: [QUOTE]On October 30 2013 09:41 Balla24 wrote: Let's keep the pace of the game up too, none of that long post bullshit unless you need to address a lot of points. Short and to the point high in content. Fast-paced posting makes it hard for scum to clearly think through what is going on and it makes it easier to find lurkers. And yes, lynch lurkers.[/QUOTE] idk what to think of this post...[/QUOTE] So as of like PG 9 -10 Storr is town to me. I'll re-read through everything tomorrow and post back on it if people are curious. Like I just said though, when I wake up slobbering on my keybord, I'm going to go upstairs and pass the hell out. I'll see you guys in like 12-17 hours. | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On October 31 2013 15:36 cakemanofdoom wrote: As I admitted, I made bad posts. Nothing about what I've done will flat out clear me, and it's perfectly reasonable to keep an eye on me. Tehpoofter started by jumping on me. Reasonable. But the reasoning he provided, about me not directly addressing Balla, feels like a way to seem productive rather than an actual contribution. I think he talks about outside matters too much for my taste; it just isn't helpful and I think that the only game-relevant effect is as an excuse for lurking. From then on, he's been continuing to attack me or explaining himself. His explanations are pretty logical to me, but he's also not being helpful. I still think there's a good chance he's scum. At this point I'm feeling a poofter lynch. July confuses me more than anything. He looks bad, but I don't see how his posts help mafia. I'm waiting on Storr's actual analyses, but with his lack of content I'd settle for lynching him. poofter being useless after being called out several times is what I think makes him look worse than owb, but if owb doesn't contribute more I'd be fine with lynching him too. I don't like your logic train at all, I haven't all game it started with your post early on which even you agree is reasonable for me to suspect. Then you misread a couple things and your go to accusation has been to come after me for going on you, which I think its reasonable to defend yourself but your comments are the same that I talk about outside influences too much and that my post lack content. So basically laying it out 1.) You think your posts are bad and nothing you have done would clear you 2.) You agree me coming on you was reasonable. 3.) You think that I talk about outside influences too much for an excuse of lurking 4.) You think that my post are logical Out of those 4 number 3 I did on the first night say "i was doing x this is why i haven't post" otherwise the other 2 times I mentioned rl things I was saying I won't be around for a bit because of x or y. and the last time I did this was this morning and have sense made more than half my post without bringing it up so out of my 2 pages of filter 3 have been on outside things which for you is too much I guess. So your end claim is that you think I'm scummy and am a reasonable lynch because I'm being logical, and pointing out your admittedly bad posts and I have talked about rl things early on. I think that line of logic I can't agree with. I really want to vote for you to be lynched because I think you're harping on old information in lue of bringing up new info (until your last post where you brought up July whom I have suspicion on as well but I can't ignore what you say) Now the only reason I'm not currently voting for you is because I agree with the point storr was bringing up that we need to all focus in on making sure we get a lynch tonight because sleeping night 1 is only a win for mafia. With that said unless there are more people that end up agreeing with me and don't just sheep on to you I will be leaving you alone for the remainder of the day unless something comes up. More to come on who I think we should lynch. | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
My two cents on these votes: Cake: if you read my above post you can see the case I made for cake but I have a feeling I'm not going to get much support and I don't want to miss a lynch just because I'm tunnel visioning. July: I don't like his attitude in his posts he seems overly defensive and hasnt brought up any pertinent information and seems to just give a couple things and then just lay off. Storr: I don't know what to think of these two votes because they're done by the confirmed town and my #1/2 town read in Balla. I however totally disagree and feel like storr would be an easy vote to get pushed through because he is frankly the only name I recognize and having seen him play mafia before I respect his game as I'm sure others have done and do before. This seems like if Storr has a couple votes going into the end of tomorrow could be easy for mafia to hop on and get out a good player who has done nothing to show me he is scummy and has made pro town plays thus far in wanting to organize our votes most importantly. E00e: I at first liked what he was saying because he was agreeing with me but looking back at his filter to see why he is getting votes and reading the reasonings I'm seeing he is sheeping in half his posts and the other half are just instant question deflections this reads scummy to me I didn't notice at first cause he was agreeing with me which was something I shouldn't do (write someone off because we have different opinions). I feel like his post count is super low as well and his content not very town beneficial. I don't have much more to go on at this point because he hasn't given me more to read from. @E00e I would love for some more reads from you throughout the day that you're coming up with and good logic. As for now I'm throwing my vote your way because you're not helping town. ##Vote E00e I think the most important thing for town to do going into the last night is make sure we get a lynch and the majority lynch as has been brought up before is the key. We must come together as town and weed out the scum. | ||
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Vonthin
United States2864 Posts
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
July617 (1): StorrZerg, Vanesco (0): nyxnyxnyx (0): E00e (3): StorrZerg (2): Obzy, Balla24 cakemanofdoom (1): OdinOfPergo Not voting (6): onlywonderboy, E00e, July617, cakemanofdoom, JonnyLaw, nyxnyxnyx Currently no one is set to be lynched. With 13 alive it takes 7 votes to lynch. This game uses Majority Lynch. Voting is mandatory. Please format your vote properly as such: ##Vote: Marv Day 1 ends in at 00:00 GMT (+00:00). If there are any errors please let us know. | ||
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E00e
88 Posts
Vonthin: "e00E does not say why jonny's accusation on vanesco is wrong" I did not agree with the arguments Jonny was making. I did not explicitly say this but is that not an obvious reason to disagree with something? Before my post Vanesco already pointed things out.. The reason I explicitly wrote is "I dont think vanesco is mafia". "e00E then hops on the cake scum train without saying why". I wrote about cake in the same post not later and I said "I agree with the scummy things about cakeman". The reasons for thinking cake is mafia had already been pointed out. "e00E does not give reasons for thinking jonnys posts are inconsistent" You continue to agree with my point but say Jonny pressuring was more important than my point. Your next argument about that town should find mafia and not appear town is irrelevant to my case, I dont know why you said it. "e00E does not give reasons for thinking july's post are inconsistent" Your argument for me being wrong is that july made 2 posts that were on point at the time of my post. Since July made a total of 4 posts at that time it means you agree with me that 2 posts of his are not on point. 50% on pointness looks in favour of my argument. | ||
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E00e
88 Posts
"all of e00E's reads are in the form of I agree or I disagree" A lot had already been said and why should I not say when I agree with people. The arguments dont get weaker because someone else said them. Of course it would be even better if wrote completly new reads. My two inconsistency points were new. "I hide from posting and only answered when you voted for me". I did not feel like posting at first and obviously your vote makes me see you as more serious. Why is it bad to then respond? Also hiding implies im afraid to post because of something (being lynched because I post more?). This is not the case and you should not expect me to immediatly respond. For the same reasons you could think Storr is afraid of posting... | ||
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E00e
88 Posts
After all Tehpoofter has the most honest accusation on me. I can see why one would think Im sheeping and Vonthin and Vanesco arguments try hard to look factual but lack correctness as I stated above. Now I talked a lot about me and less about others which I should do more, Tehpoofter is right in that matter. | ||
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E00e
88 Posts
This is not a super strong mafia read and I know we have to get a majority and I will most likely be able to be reading the thread near the deadline Btw I cant help but read Odin's post where every new sentence is a new line like poem and it makes them sound funny in my head. | ||
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Vanesco
United States105 Posts
Also you never explain any of your reads apart from saying something along the lines of "it was discussed already so I don't have to". You mention July and Jonny are inconsistent with no reasoning which just looks like you are trying to throw the blame on somebody else. You even mention that you are leaving your reasonings off the table. As a town I don't understand how not giving town any insight or reads you have on another player is actually helping. In your latest few posts you don't talk about anything specific again and harp on maybe how Odin came into the game very aggressively. Only point thats valid is that some of his postings have been distracting but after maybe the first few, its mostly all about the game. I still haven't seen you come up with any of your own original reads with any actual evidence or they have been very weak at best. Overall, at this point the most two scummy people seem to be E00e/July. E00e's response now is much better than what July has brought to the game. All July has done is ask questions, try to attack me on something he misread and not backing off when I (and others I think) explain it. He has also given no reads and has been lurking. He has contributed nothing of use for town to the game. To me I would say July is a stronger vote than E00e at this point, but if town decides that E00e is the best lynch, I would have no problem with that. | ||
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Vanesco
United States105 Posts
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
i don't like how tehpoofter posts. minus the inactivity thing, he posts a lot more when called to defend himself and makes minimal probes on others, as if he doesn't want to overplay his hand and accidentally reveal something. as such, my vote will be for him right now. ##Vote: Tehpoofter | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
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Vanesco
United States105 Posts
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
JonnyLaw I don't like any of your post. I'm willing to let post like these + Show Spoiler + On October 30 2013 11:29 JonnyLaw wrote: I'll be out for a couple hours but I'll check the thread before I head to sleep. I don't want to clog up the thread with useless posts. I like storr's abrasiveness early. It moves our discussion along. I want to hear the response to balla's question. Looking at the TL profiles nyxnyxnyx is the only player clearly marked outside of North America. Make your presence known here town. Otherwise you're going to end up lynched and that's not a great start to the game. slip by early since we are still only a few hours into D1. What can I say? Oh well... he probably has nothing to go on.. This was my exact train of thought when I read these. I didn't agree with them but I also had a lot more to work with since I am coming into D1 half way through.But the problem is you make a lot of them. Like these; + Show Spoiler + On October 30 2013 13:48 JonnyLaw wrote: @cake Nah, I'm keeping that opinion to myself for a while. I'm not telling anyone how to play on day one. Nyxnyxnyx is active in lol subforum. I expect to see him post in the next few hours. It's an awkward time for him. @storr If you've played or obs'd newb games you'd understand his concern. This thread looks active and that's an oddity from what i've seen in the last two games. On October 30 2013 10:21 JonnyLaw wrote: I disagree that length of posts matter but posting actively and participating in the game does matter. That could be what he meant just phrased differently. That's exactly what we should be talking about at this point in order to form a plan for finding the scum in the game. What does this add to the game? Nothing. Also Nyx wasn't active... So you're plainly just fucking lying. Ontop of that, you bring arguements like this in; [QUOTE]On October 30 2013 16:45 JonnyLaw wrote: ##vote Vanesco Here's the beginning of the long posts. Vanesco repeatedly apologizes and brings nothing new to the table. Jumping on with Storr. + Show Spoiler + On October 30 2013 10:15 Vanesco wrote: Or maybe Storr is trying to pressure Balla or see if someone decides to jump on it... You seem very defensive of Balla, especially since nothing of importance has been given by anybody as of yet. I think pressuring people to talk is a good thing on the start of Day 1 since nobody is confirmed (apart from Obzy ofc). In this post he apologized where? And you outright lie about Nyx? K. Give me a # or I'm going to go ahead and tag you as scum since you called me out on PG 16. + Show Spoiler + On October 30 2013 10:15 Vanesco wrote: Or maybe Storr is trying to pressure Balla or see if someone decides to jump on it... You seem very defensive of Balla, especially since nothing of importance has been given by anybody as of yet. I think pressuring people to talk is a good thing on the start of Day 1 since nobody is confirmed (apart from Obzy ofc). Ok, so you re-post the SAME QUOTE in your post twice. I don't even understand. Why don't you just add your "early bandwagon" crap earlier when you posted this? Why do you feel the need to quote it twice? Remember he jumped on an EARLY bandwagon. + Show Spoiler + On October 30 2013 11:40 Vanesco wrote: @cakemanofdoom All I'm saying is that onlywonderboy didn't really respond to StorrZ comment other than saying he doesn't agree. You on the other hand just talk about Storr trying to pressure Balla with no evidence (which is in my opinion is a justified play on page 1 of day 1). It just seems to me like you are trying to redirect off of Balla. I don't see any hint of a an apology in these post. I can only see Vanesco trying to reason out who his first lynch should be. Where the hell do you see any hint of hesitation or apology? All his post seem to be on point so far. You're pretty much trying to just drag up an empty argument against him and hoping that people don't read your screw-ball post. Well, short luck for you pal. I always break down post to the best of my ability. And your's look like crap. And again so apologetic. If you're not mafia what do you have to hide? + Show Spoiler + On October 30 2013 11:46 Vanesco wrote: @Obzy In my mind I play by thinking everybody is potential mafia at the start(except for me and you). Maybe defending was a wrong word to use, instead maybe redirecting would be better. If Balla and cakeman are mafia together, then it seems like cakeman is trying to redirect off of Balla by saying that there is no concrete evidence (like I have said many times before, there shouldnt be on page 1 of day 1). It just seems very scummy since the only way to get people to talk at the start of the day is to put a bit of pressure and he is trying to take it off Balla. There are a couple more apologizing posts then this one jumping on poofter. I'm saying poofter/vanesco are both scum. + Show Spoiler + QUOTE]On October 30 2013 14:17 Vanesco wrote: Exactly Balla, I was just about to post about Tehpoofter. I would like to hear from him, even if he thinks he has nothing to add, it would help town. And you follow with.. FLUFF! You're only defense is Balla. And that's only the case because I have a strong town read on him atm. + Show Spoiler + On October 30 2013 16:47 JonnyLaw wrote: I want responses poofter and Vanesco. Sleeping and another game are fine since we still have some time before votes are tallied and we lynch. You really didn't even mention Poof in your post, why expect some responce from him after it? Nyx I don't think we should lynch Nyx yet. He played even worse the last game. I'm like 90% sure he's just playing a bad townie. + Show Spoiler + On October 31 2013 02:36 Vonthin wrote: Not sure Nyx is mafia, he did the same exact thing last game, hardly posted here and never gave good reasons on why he thought people were scum/voting for people. I want to see him post more to see if anything is different but so far seems like standard Nyx. The point Cake has though about posting on the LoL forums is valid though. And I'm not the only one to notice it. The only post he makes that makes me question it is the call for Vane lynch along with Cake. Cake looks terrible. Vane looks pretty townie to me. [spoiler][QUOTE]On October 31 2013 03:07 onlywonderboy wrote: nyx - I want to avoid a nyx lynch on day 1 at least. I really want to hear more from him to see if he learned anything from last game. My point earlier about him wasn't that he was quiet, it was that he's quiet so I can't really judge if he's trying to improve his play from last game [/QUOTE] | ||
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