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cakemanofdoom
Profile Joined September 2009
336 Posts
October 31 2013 17:23 GMT
#421
Because I think poofter is scummier. Also Storr/July have had more time to be helpful, and they haven't helped. Actually July, who do you even want to lynch right now? Cuz Jonny, the guy you're attacking right now, is pretty far from being our lynch today.

I'm leaning more and more towards voting July atm. His last two posts have been absolutely useless, attacking someone new for bringing up another lynch target without doing a single thing to consolidate votes.

Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
October 31 2013 17:24 GMT
#422
I don't think it's worth responding to... all 3 of your cases have been awful. He's not even here right now, how is he hurting the town? I feel like you're just going after him because he's not here to defend himself.

I think between odin and you we have 1 scum, you guys push each other way too hard for LITTLE reason, just because you had some bad blood early on. Odin has a better case on you then you have on him. You have also been one of my reserved scum reads all game..

Your cases are all terrible, I think you can be a better town then that. You've pushed 3 different targets throughout day1 and even bring up another target while town is completely split atm and are pushing him hard. On top of that, you're for lynching lurkers this game when last game you were against it... doesn't make sense to me, why change your mind there?

You're saying odin is ok to lynch anybody but you've been giving me the same vibe.

##unvote
##vote Jonnylaw

I wanna see what kind of response this vote will get from everyone. I don't think I can get it to pass today and am happy to lynch a lurker today even though Jonny is my highest scumread. I will for sure push this tomorrow unless something drastic changes.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
October 31 2013 17:25 GMT
#423
I also want to mention that Odin is playing VERY similarly to last game. He's all over the place, but he's posting a lot and starting a lot of discussion. He often just posts whatever is on his mind. This fits my town read of him, which is why i'm more comfortable going for Jonny then I am him.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
October 31 2013 17:27 GMT
#424
How is calling people out without reading the thread and lying about it helping the town at all?

He clearly did not even read the thread and yet he posts as though what he is saying is a fact. How can that possibly help us to win the game?
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
October 31 2013 17:30 GMT
#425
How can you say he didn't read the thread? It doesn't make sense to me. He compiled cases against or for multiple people. Just because he missed a few things you think he didn't read the thread?

Think about how long he was afk for... he was afk for 16 pages.... if you come to a thread that long and read it, you're going to forget/miss about things.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
October 31 2013 17:31 GMT
#426
Really? He claims to have read it four times. You don't forget on your fourth time through.
Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
October 31 2013 17:33 GMT
#427
Hi guys, I don't have much time to post/read while at work; and I get off at the deadline so won't be able to participate much until late this evening. That all said- although I really do think Storr is a good lynch, I'd rather avoid a no lynch rather than try to stick it out when nobody seems convinced. I think voting for Odin is a bad choice right now; ignoring his temper tantrum when he first showed up, he actually did produce a considerable amount of reads with reasonable logic applied, though I disagree with him lol.

Balla, I don't like a Jonny vote, although he hasn't been looking very good from my brief skimming, and I disagree with his Odin vote.

I would be okay with lynching Storr, July, and I guess E00e... they're all playing without contributing much that is actually useful. I don't really feel like voting poofter, though I am interested in asking -

On October 31 2013 18:35 Tehpoofter wrote:
Storr: I don't know what to think of these two votes because they're done by the confirmed town and my #1/2 town read in Balla. I however totally disagree and feel like storr would be an easy vote to get pushed through because he is frankly the only name I recognize and having seen him play mafia before I respect his game as I'm sure others have done and do before. This seems like if Storr has a couple votes going into the end of tomorrow could be easy for mafia to hop on and get out a good player who has done nothing to show me he is scummy and has made pro town plays thus far in wanting to organize our votes most importantly.

E00e: I at first liked what he was saying because he was agreeing with me but looking back at his filter to see why he is getting votes and reading the reasonings I'm seeing he is sheeping in half his posts and the other half are just instant question deflections this reads scummy to me I didn't notice at first cause he was agreeing with me which was something I shouldn't do (write someone off because we have different opinions). I feel like his post count is super low as well and his content not very town beneficial. I don't have much more to go on at this point because he hasn't given me more to read from.


I don't really agree that Storr has been pro-town without contributing at all, he's basically only talked about mechanics and 'pro town things' without doing them himself. That said, this weirdness doesn't reconcile me with a poofter lynch today, I'd much prefer one of the other three for being useless in ways and at times that they could easily have been useful.
I have nothing to put here. Obzy#1821 on Bnet.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
October 31 2013 17:33 GMT
#428
On November 01 2013 02:31 JonnyLaw wrote:
Really? He claims to have read it four times. You don't forget on your fourth time through.


You certainly do... I did the same thing last game, was AFK till last 24 hrs of day1. I read through/skimmed the thread like 10 times and still was missing some things. I was more reserved though since I knew I didn't understand everything but Odin going out hard like this even though he is missing things fits my read of him from last game. Like I said, he posts everything on his mind whenever it comes.
Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
October 31 2013 17:34 GMT
#429
I'll try to keep up on things, but I may not be able to do much in the way of careful reading and/or posting for the rest of the day, just enough to keep up on the vote counts so we don't no lynch.
I have nothing to put here. Obzy#1821 on Bnet.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
October 31 2013 17:36 GMT
#430
Ugh obzy, why would you say that about my vote T_T
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
October 31 2013 17:42 GMT
#431
Vote Count

July617 (1): StorrZerg, Obzy
Vanesco (0): JonnyLaw
nyxnyxnyx (0): Obzy
E00e (3): nyxnyxnyx, Vanesco, Vonthin, Tehpoofter
StorrZerg (1): Obzy, Balla24
cakemanofdoom (1): OdinOfPergo
Tehpoofter (2): nyxnyxnyx, cakemanofdoom
OdinOfPergo (1): JonnyLaw
JonnyLaw (1): Balla24

Not voting (3): onlywonderboy, E00e, July617

Currently no one is set to be lynched. With 13 alive it takes 7 votes to lynch.

This game uses Majority Lynch. Voting is mandatory. Please format your vote properly as such:
##Vote: Marv

Day 1 ends in at 00:00 GMT (+00:00).
If there are any errors please let us know.
cakemanofdoom
Profile Joined September 2009
336 Posts
October 31 2013 17:42 GMT
#432
I suspected Jonny after his bad van case. His poofter case doesn't seem much better; I agree with the conclusion, but it seems more quotes than analysis.

I do agree that Odin doesn't look great though; I can't tell whether the guy read the thread or not. He's said both that he's only on page 12 after he said he read the thread 4 times. And Odin seems to be rehashing old arguments for the most part. Pushing for an Odin lynch right now, though, seems more disruptive than anything else considering how there are other decent lynches.

Also, I don't know why Jonny would be the first to defend me if he was mafia, since it should be more convenient for suspicion to stay on me. This reason doesn't apply to anyone else though since no one else can confirm that I'm town.


So yeah, from anyone else's perspective I understand the suspicion on Jonny. But I don't think he can/should be lynched today. Most people seem to be suspecting July, E00e, or Storr. I'm not too sure about opinions on other people, but let's pick from one of those, unless a lot of people come out and claim vote desires that I haven't picked up on.

##Unvote Tehpoofter
##Vote: July617

I'm feeling that July's the one most people have their eyes on. Aside from maybe E00e, who I think has posted better than July.
Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
October 31 2013 17:44 GMT
#433
I think Jonny has been anti-odin largely because of the way Odin entered the thread and immediately started arguing with him, so he's biased. If I was judging Jonny entirely off of how he's been acting regarding his Odin vote, I'd be happy to vote him, but.. I hadn't really considered it yesterday, so looking at it while working this morning, I'm sort of winging things atm lol. I wouldn't feel comfortable with it (a jonny vote) atm, and I don't think that the necessary votes would come anyways. Maybe I'm wrong, though?

unless you were asking why i specifically would say something, and were hoping someone else would say something, in which case - oops! missed the memo ._.
I have nothing to put here. Obzy#1821 on Bnet.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
October 31 2013 17:45 GMT
#434
Nah, I just feel like you undermined my pressure.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
October 31 2013 17:50 GMT
#435
I'm ok with lynching: Storr/July.

I have a somewhat town read on july but he's still not 100% convincing me. For this reason i'd be much happier with a Storr lynch. I know Storr is capable of MUCH MORE then what he is doing now. Hasn't shared any reads since like the first few hours of the game, and spouted bullshit about people following the IC when nobody was doing that. He's barely keeping up with the thread.

However, neither Storr nor July will give us too much information and we will have to rely on nightactions for tomorrow. That's ok because we want incentive for people not to lurk.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
October 31 2013 17:51 GMT
#436
Also, literally everybody has been jumping on July, whereas only me and Obzy have jumped on Storr. Everybody on July makes me very weary.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
October 31 2013 17:55 GMT
#437
Cakeman, easy defenses for people is one of the best ways to fit in as mafia and make friends within the town. Especially when it's a weak attack. It makes you look better. I do it all the time as mafia.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
October 31 2013 17:58 GMT
#438
Just caught up on the thread. Unfortunately I have to leave for work before the deadline so I'm gonna miss out on any last minute deliberations. That said, I'm gonna be around for a little bit now so I'm gonna do some rereading and cast my vote.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
cakemanofdoom
Profile Joined September 2009
336 Posts
October 31 2013 17:59 GMT
#439
I haven't been jumping on Storr as much because it seems more people have jumped on July, and there's some defense of Storr. I think a July lynch would be easier. I'm more than willing to switch to Storr if it looks more likely to succeed than July.

Was defending me an easy defense? Jonny was the first to defend me, and I think mafia would have preferred to leave suspicion on me.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
October 31 2013 18:04 GMT
#440
My cake opinion

On October 30 2013 10:07 cakemanofdoom wrote:
Storr's post seems to be just trying to randomly add suspicion on Balla. There's no justification behind it, only a weak suggestion that the post might be bad somehow. Almost like he's hoping for someone else to jump in and find a reason to get Balla lynched.


Off the start he is scum hunting. He looked at something that was said and stamped it with his opinion and tbh, i don't think he was reaching when he said "randomly add suspicion on balla"

Now looking through the rest of the filter, i don't see any "spam" i see posts looking to drive for scum hunting, he is concerned about himself, but thats shown in his posts. I feel a mafia player would show this concern to his buddies before hand and attempt to not look so concerned with one self. This is a newby game so maybe im wrong on my reasoning here, but im inclined to think he is town.

now latter in the game

On November 01 2013 01:30 cakemanofdoom wrote:
The main thing I have against E00e right now is that he barely talks, and only when prodded. His post content... well, they could be worse. I'd be happier lynching July or Storr than E00e. July's point is decent in his first post, but everything else is just suspicious. Storr just hasn't been seriously helpful.

poofter: Sure, the fact that you attack me makes sense. I still don't like the "new evidence" you brought while doing so, and according to you we've agreed to disagree or something like that. From there on, your posts until your case on me make sense, but they also aren't very useful.

To reiterate, I think you're scummy because you haven't contributed anything substantial, but you've posted enough that it could be mafia pretending to be helpful. I think I've already phrased it like that, and I don't like how you cherry pick my openmindedness to criticize while ignoring the more direct accusations I make. You've accused me of twisting facts, but right now it seems like you're flat out ignoring some of them. You look very scum at the end of that post.

##Vote: Tehpoofter


I'll be back to switch my vote if this doesn't gain traction.
E00e if it's the only thing going. July or Storr if enough support.

Not sure what to think about nyx? His posts aren't good, and people seem to agree with that, but it also looks like he's getting something of a pass because it's similar to bad posting from a previous game where he was town. Right now, though, he's had two retracted scumreads, and suspicion on poofter. I like the suspicion on poofter, but I'd still lynch if it was the only thing that would go through based on his lack of good posting earlier.

Storr... thoughts are the same as in my previous post. Sure, he's recognizable, but it's not much use if he's not reading people. His directing the town to be productive is nice, but it's also fairly common-sense. Seems like an easy way for scum to pretend to be helpful. I was inclined to wait for his reads, but there isn't as much time for that right now.

Summary of my vote preferences in order: poofter, Storr, July, E00e, nyx.



His vote preference is similar to Obzy, and im inclined to believe he came up with this on his own considering obzy main focus has been on myself. (it also helps he posted this before obzy posted his top 3 lynches)

Now i have not gotten around to tehpoofter yet but cake being around and willing to switch his vote near deadline is good for town since we have the majority to lynch
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