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On October 30 2013 10:31 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 10:25 justanothertownie wrote:
I still don't get why hopeless calls himself confirmed but maybe that's just me I think he's saying it's really unlikely that Mafia are given cop checks and once a potion is consumed it will tell the player checked that they have been checked.
Yes,
Hopeless is arguing that he has been truthful with his explanation of the potions given to Syllo + Me.
Thus, we should take at face-value the effect of the potion given to JAT.
Points in Hopeless favour:
(1) He said he would be notified if you did not drink the potion (this info was donated)
(2) His attitude to the situation is slightly indicative of town that want to rely on blue roles (kinda like how Chairman wanted to be checked) Even though he also solely wants this potion to confirm him as town I lean it town. Because its more disliking him for terrible play AND it draws unrequired heat on him for no purposeful reason.
Cons against Hopeless:
(1) Usage of potion on me was just dumb, dumb, dumb (as town) and smart, smart, smart (as scum)
(2) Pandain defending him against LastArgument
(3) Having a scum read on Skanjab and then asking Skanjab to cool down and come back to the thread.(I have never seen a townie pressuring his scum read, ask the read to back down... normally its somebody else interjecting)
(4) A couple of other sthings, that aren't important to state at this point in time.
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On October 30 2013 10:37 Grackaroni wrote:
I think the odds of hitting scum with this are pretty good. Considering that Toad has the same flavor as a lover as all of the other VT's I think it's far more likely that HF is mafia than him being a VT with different flavor or having an addendum saying that he also has a secret vote. I'm willing to take the risk.
I don't really feel bad about it if he is mafia either. He talked about ET using the word squib for town-cred and it backfired on him.
Yes, that was a major down point for Holyflare. Especially given that the response to the "slip" by ET was spoilered.
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Oh he was talking about it in Hufflepuff QT before that.
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I have the same flavour as them but the same as toad, however, with the clause that i can only use my charm once instead of the bff part. I've stated it in the qt numerous times. Why are you misrepresenting what I've said?
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On October 30 2013 10:39 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 10:37 Grackaroni wrote:
I think the odds of hitting scum with this are pretty good. Considering that Toad has the same flavor as a lover as all of the other VT's I think it's far more likely that HF is mafia than him being a VT with different flavor or having an addendum saying that he also has a secret vote. I'm willing to take the risk.
I don't really feel bad about it if he is mafia either. He talked about ET using the word squib for town-cred and it backfired on him. Yes, that was a major down point for Holyflare. Especially given that the response to the "slip" by ET was spoilered.
I literally just told you i spoiler long quotes or cases.
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It also has a big giant
What i also want to point out is: what i wanted to say was at the bottom of the quote. Does that not look like a formatting error to you?
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This didn't help me with much, but might help someone else.
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I dunno why it wont display.
http://imgur.com/CBqXHtK
Its a colour-code of vote order for each day based on flipped info.
I think the ET vote on Onegu Day1, makes Onegu town.
There was not a single known vote on scum, and even if there was a sole vote: there was not heavy pressure.
It just wasn't required to do a bus vote at that point in time.
I'm not finding this that useful because everything past Day3/4/5 is just town insta-voting Cephiro or Chairman.
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VOTE COUNT DAY 5:
Hopeless1der (0) : raynpelikonoshi, Mocsta
Blazinghand (1): Holyflare, Hopeless1der
Skanjab1s (1): Mocsta, Hopeless1der
Holyflare (6): raynpelikonoshi, Onegu, syllogism, skanjab1s, Mocsta, Grackaroni
Not voting (1): justanothertownie
Currently Holyflare is set to be lynched. Deadline is in .
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On October 30 2013 10:23 justanothertownie wrote:
Hmm, syllo are you sure about this? I want to vote with my townreads but it really seems like the rolepm is the only strong point against holy at the moment. I don't know if I want to risk metagaming the hosts right now.
The "charm" explanation is at the very least possible somehow.
Apart from that Holy at least showed some investment in the game while BH, skanjabis, hopeless (and onegu to some extent) just don't give a fuck.
If you want my vote can you sum up your whole reasoning for a Holy lynch for me again?
Rayn really disappoints me btw. As soon as his lynch was off the table his announced great reread with scumreads was transformed into some underwhelming posting. Not that I did better but I didn't run around promising people to find scum. Maybe I will find a bit more time tomorrow.
It's not the only strong point against him. See e.g.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20022026
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20022049
Whenever I read that day 1 post from him I keep concluding that there is no way a townie would make a post like that. Besides what I stated in those posts, look at what he is saying. He is suggesting that town is, 24 hours into day 1, lacking direction and he has to give it some. The direction he offers is 100% repackaged content and wants to lynch Palmar ridiculous reasons. Look at his "case" against Palmar - does it look like a lynch you should be "MOST comfortable with" and would that be the kind of direction town desperately needs. Nowhere does he even say that Palmar's play makes him mafia and in fact he suggests that Palmar playing more would help town.
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On October 23 2013 04:00 Sn0_Man wrote:
Alright Full Roleclaim time.
Since I currently can't see any reason to withhold the name,
I am Pansy Parkinson!. I am a Medic, with a 1-time twist. The first time that my target is targetted by KP I deal 1KP back to the attacker. Also non-conseq or whatever BH called it.
I protected Syllogism last night. [b]I recieved notification that my 1-time KP was used. Those are the facts. What obviously happened was that Pandain and ET both used .5 KP on Syllo, which resulted in me killing both. I have confirmed that due to the simultaneous resolution of their KP, I would deal 1KP to each of them. Toad died due to being paired with ET. Mafia shot Supersoft and LastArgument. LoneMeow is the only unaccounted for shot.
I believe BH's medic claim simply because he mentions that he assumes he can't target himself, but it is NOT mentioned in the role pm (much like mine) whereas the inability to target the same person 2 nights in a row IS mentioned in said PM.
[b]"Does this medic role notify whether a save is successful"
I will PM the host as well. Doubt we will get a response.
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That has come up already. No, it does not.
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On October 30 2013 15:09 syllogism wrote:
That has come up already. No, it does not.
Thank You.
Follow post is moot then.
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I really do not know what you expect me to do Mocsta. I have pointed out my strongest scumreads. They are BH, Onegu, and Grackaroni based on posting and posting only. Hopeless was earlier but apparently he has some cop potion to prove himself (as in there should be a notification about an alignment check right? - it's hilarious indeed if SCUM have an ALIGNMENT check).
I don't really know Mocsta how you say there is a red check on me. It is kinda true, but then again, if there is a red check on me there is like 150% red check on Onegu, because syllogism in fact IS confirmed town, JAT is not (i know, it's like 0,00000001% possibility that he is not town, but still). Why do you ignore the check on Onegu if you bring up the check on me?
Once again, my activity is not alignment indicative. It is true that in Noir and GoT i was inactive for various reasons. But again, it's fucking not and i hope nobody never brings that as an alignment indicative thing after this game. I will always lynch people for it in future, remember that. I am almost tempted to stop playing and let you lynch me just to prove that..
I am here now, ask me anything.
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If you do not want to read whole Grack's filter at least do so from page 16 onwards (where he makes a case on me - i instantly debunk everything he says and he just.. leaves it there). He has said ABSOLUTELY nothing besides occasionally bringing up Skanjabs but never even trying to lynch him (tbh that's what he has done all game). And people say i am not contributing. ffs..
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And i think everyone knows why BH and Onegu are scummy.
I am only voting for Holyflare because of what syllogism brought up about him not being a squib. That's really BS if he really is not lying about it.
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Yeh this seems familiar -.- auto lynch into afk, solid town move. Skan with still no reasoning, grack with the worst reasoning ever "his flavour is different" - it's not, it says all of that vt stuff hence why i was mentioning it in the qt on day 1 just instead of bff's it says i can use my charm to add to the vote once. I've used it so now I'm an ordinary vt. Not really hard to believe but anyway because you people are adament in your bad reads, here is the breakdown of onegu, the fail scum that you are too blind to see:
Format will be terrible because phone but hopefully effort will shine through:
Onegu
All game he has done nothing but state things. No cases, reads based off of nothing, i can't comprehend why you see him as town.
Firstly, let's start right back at the start of the game.
All of onegu's first few posts are based in him telling us he is catching up - will catch up etc etc. While this is not alignment indicative there are certain tells that make him scum. Take for instance :+ Show Spoiler +On October 18 2013 18:22 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 11:03 EchelonTee wrote:Looks like I misread the deadline and will have plenty of time to analyze things. Will be home and in it in around 4 hours. @pandain I stated that people should spend more time in thread than in QT and articulated my reasoning behind this with examples and logic; and your response is that this is "bad". Really. If you have more reasoning behind your view then by all means argue with me, but calling me red for this is just laughable. You making me out to be afraid to talk to a small enclosed group is absolutely hilarious btw; if I was scum I would love to mess with the minds of a small group. Just ask Mattchew about when I got him to completely out his role, Palmar's role, and what their actions were going to be. Or when I convinced Meapak_Ziphh I was town and got him to share with me all of town's votes. Whether I'm town or scum I argue with people who come at me with terrible logic; read my past games and you'll see. Besides, your logic here is absolutely terrible. There is no "confirming" a QT; even with detective type classes there are always framers and the like. Even with deaths in a house, you can't confirm if the rest are town or not. Your continued comments on me as a suspect with this weak-as-hell basis is disturbing, to say the least. On October 18 2013 01:38 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Oh i forgot something.
EchelonTree - Why makes you say this game is heavily roled? Much scum roles you guys got?
-rayn This is a fucking Harry Potter themed game. If we're all squibs then I should've just signed up for competitive tic-tac-toe.
Why has no one commented on my Onegu case? He's gone completely black since posting 3 weakass posts and hasn't even responded to me. Screams scum much more than anyone else at this point; putting my vote on him. Will make deeper analysis when I'm back. ##Vote: Onegu Lol you got me, sorry about that. But for realz you going on about setup speculation and how there are going to be many power roles because it is a themed game is just like you are backpeddleing from a slip and the onlything you have to go on is speculation.
This is his first real interaction with ET. Bear in mind that at this point ET had made a case on onegu for saying sorry a lot, which he dignified with a 1-2 line response and the rest of it was throwing in town reads.
At this point ET has straight up voted for onegu and his only reply is to respond to ET speculation. Nothing about his case, no content, nothing. This is because he knows the pressure is fake and won't need to back it up.
Not to mention he is only piggybacking off of rayn/koshis post adding nothing new. Why would you not try and actively disuade pressure from yourself?
Compare this to his game where he is town. People make cases on Onegu and he fights, trying to determine motives, trying to establish reads for other townies to see and constructing posts that are helpful to read + Show Spoiler +On August 24 2013 14:57 Onegu wrote:So Im in the hospital now so this will be brief, I should be out tomorrow but not sure. So the two biggest things that stuck out to me. Im not really up for a yamato lynch. Have to go over his filter again but why wouldnt we lynch the other scummy person in sn0? Second we need to take a closer look at firmtofu there are a few reasons for this. Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 03:37 FirmTofu wrote:
My conclusion is that we should ignore the parity check and proceed with the game like it never happened. Let's get back to scumhunting instead of wasting our time with this nonsense. This post is a big reason, why would you ever ignore a red check? If we just ignore it there will always talk about it, or it will come back, makeing a even bigger waste of time. He should be vig shot or lynched otherwise town atmosphre will be completely destroyed. My scum games I am very active vayne made a post about its so much easier to play when you know everything. Firm knows this. Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 13:51 Crazometer wrote:
I agree with the sentiment that Rayns parity check is inconclusive however I wouldn't go as far as tofu suggested and discard it completely. Perhaps the other cop, should they exist, will be able to work some magic for us tonight to figure that all out. I'm curious as to what other people think the chances of the SAM claim being accurate are? I'll look through his filter now and try to produce a number.
Otherwise, sn0 and vayne are probably the most suspicious to me. The pointed out sn0 attitude flip (against other threads) just doesn't feel right, he seems to bounce around from high to low spirited too much as well. Something about Vayne doesn't smell right either so I'll look through his filter and see if anything pops up but I'll probably get what I search for. I like this post alot makes me feel better about crazy. Anyway my pain meds are kicking in. So Im out for now.
He states reasons, he backs up reads, he does stuff that is useful. Now look at this game. His culmination of day 1 is displaying his town reads. He votes mattchew early because of 1 case of his even though he says:
On October 19 2013 04:49 Onegu wrote:
Im fighting the internet gods now so going to put a vote down on mattchew as of page 58 where I am he never answered my question to him and his vote was random with very little reasoning
##VOTE MATTCHEW
There is so little basis for this it dumbfounds me. He switches after I make a case on matt so that means he follows it right? He must think reasoning is solid and he votes after mocsta. However if he thinks mattchew is scum, where does his incredibly adamant scum read on me come from?
Let's get to the bottom of this. We saw Onegu's town post, he constructs thoughts when he can of who is scum, he actively tries to say why and come up with reasons. Does that occur in this thread?
He briefly questions storr on matt asking things like:
Why is matt town to you?
How are you sure matt is town.
He never questions anything else to do with hufflepuff other than my vote on mattchew. After this it becomes:
On October 22 2013 02:13 Onegu wrote:
##UNVOTE
##VOTE BH
Stutters is around and will give CR a chance to post or get modkilled.
With no reasoning and then with the post straight after:
On October 22 2013 02:49 Onegu wrote:
##UNVOTE
##VOTE CHAIRMANRAY
With no reasoning again. This is very unlike town onegus posts from his filters in other games.
This is pretty much the only interaction I've had with onegu all game at this point:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 21 2013 03:28 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2013 03:26 Holyflare wrote:On October 21 2013 03:23 Onegu wrote:On October 21 2013 03:00 Holyflare wrote:On October 21 2013 02:56 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 20 2013 19:08 Skanjab1s wrote:
Holyflare who do you think the scum in Hufflepuff is? If there isn't a framer it is either Hopeless for not contributing the entire first day in our QT and then activity spiking when storr made a cop claim, mattchew for reasons stated earlier although I'm leaning less on him due to responses he's said in the QT or grack because nobody really has a read on him other than his "carefree attitude". You really cant narrow it down further than that?! It storr is cop and you arent you just named everyone else in your house.... On October 21 2013 03:00 Holyflare wrote:
In that order by the way. In that order with how much space in between? Is it close between all three or what?
I'm glad he can get a read off of all this interaction because seemingly at this point half of the thread said i was towny. He must have mystical powers. Not to mention he makes a post identical to this straight after.
His scum read on me stems from here. That is why ot is not logical. Currently I had pushed a case n mattchew (his top scum read) abd bh (his second scum read) so what reasoning does he give for his scum read on me? Oh yeh, none, like the rest of his content this game.
This is a recurring theme in his filter that just isn't consistent with townish onegu.
On October 22 2013 18:36 Onegu wrote:
Im going to filter JAT and skan tonight as I dont have a food read on either of them at this point.
He posts that he will read and then just self confirms in the hope that someone will believe he has read through:
On October 23 2013 00:53 Onegu wrote:
You guys have any questions for me? I just finished reading JAT I doubt he is scum, going to go over skanjabs now.
Despite all of this unnecessary setup speculation (thought he hated that when he said it to ET) mocsta shuts him down with logic
+ Show Spoiler +On October 25 2013 15:57 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2013 15:53 Mocsta wrote:On October 25 2013 15:46 Onegu wrote:
This^
I have a really hard time believeing rayn is scum. This explains the red check and JAT shot and late claim. Seriously. Stop this. The checks can be tampered. I am self aware miller after all. I already suspect chairman of being godfather as well, another tamper. The red check in gryff could be Mafia check 3p check Framer Unaware miller Host fuck up.... It's been done before ...... If you want to say jat is anti town, I won't stop you. However you need a case. Yes it is interesting jat did not want to claim Yes it is interesting apparently he is invulnerable However the leap to a conclusion of anti town is a gap I can't jump without further substantiation Chairman needs the be lynched next cycle full stop. Alright Ill drop it for now, can lynch HF or CR tomorrow.
So he replies with whatever the shit he wants - an unsubstantiated claim on me or on CR. Despite the facts checks at this point can be seen to most probably tampered with. He doesn't care he'll vote whatever because it doesn't matter and he doesn't need a reason.
Now if his play wasn't questionable enough for you there is this:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 28 2013 23:30 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 23:28 Mocsta wrote:On October 28 2013 23:24 syllogism wrote:On October 28 2013 23:21 Mocsta wrote:
anyways, I asked my house to make BH a squib. with the challenge potion.
I put down my vote, it not sure if its a house majority thing.
BTW holy. I find it suiper unlikely skanjab is Mafia. No don't do that, that's awful. That would let mafia kill Sn0. are you fucking serious.., so you believe town have two medics? He is saying if bh is scum he has to say he protects sn0 if sn0 still dies BH confirmed scum...
Then i get into a confrontation with him because of his claim. It's dumb and now that I've reread it i have found out he was in fact quite categorically lying.
We'll get to that in a second though:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 29 2013 00:34 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2013 00:30 Holyflare wrote:He selectively picks and chooses when to believe cop checks or not, his top scum read was mattchew day 1 who i literally made a case on to get lynched, his next read after that was me and bh. So he has a scum read on me despite me actively 'bussing' 2 scum? There is just no real content... Just him saying he's read things. Can't really get into meta even though I love it, not got the time to quote enough on phone. Cephiro made a good case on him and there is a red check on ravenclaw, why would they frame onegu WHO THEY WERE SHOOTING????? On October 23 2013 02:03 Onegu wrote:On October 23 2013 01:57 Sn0_Man wrote:
Onegu's town due to EchelonTee interactions early if nothing else. Theres also no way he's VT (Considering power-role distributions throughout houses so far and CR claimed VT already). Check my meta sn0 I like to bus as scum, please dont let this be the only reason you give me a town read. I am going to catch more scum though!!! He's ok bussing team mates (hence the bh 'scum reads') why even mention this if he is town or scum? It's not very relevant to point out as either alignment. It was most likely CR being framed...
After everything i said he ignores it all and writes 1 line about it which doesn't address anything I've written bar 1 oversight.
However, apart from his replies being incredibly lackluster like most of his game there was the dispute on why somebody would frame chairman ray that night.
Clearly at that point mocsta was a revealed town pandain abd hopeless was questionable but with 1 cop check that he used. So why on earth would a framer if there is one target ray if nothing was said about cephiro. Quite clearly scum knows a house cop is dead, there is one vig who did not reveal till the grace period of the next day that he was a joat and there was syllo who had a watcher ability from the night befoere. There is no way scum would use a frame on ray at this point. Syllos lower is too dangerous because townies would just claim they visited that night and confirm syllos count. Thus leaving an odd count if someone didn't reveal. That risk is way too high. Not only that but that risk is doubly amplified by somebody going to kill onegu for the same reason.
That night sn0 could not protect bh , so why didn't sn0 or bh die? Why would they not use their 1kp on free healer kills, 1)because bh is mafia, 2)because bh was rbd, 3)because they have 1kp any free healer kill is a no brainer over an unconfirmed role from onegu. There is nowl justification anyone can make to say otherwise. He was forced to claim vet at this time to draw suspicion off of bh because no kill occured, bh was unprotected and a free kill. The fact he didn't die was way too suspicous.
Finally, as bh is a no brainer lynch onegu becomes very aprehensive and doesn't vote him at all but wheb it all piles onto me he does his trademark vote with no reason
On October 29 2013 23:56 Onegu wrote:
##VOTE: HOLYFLARE
Onegu, bh scum team gg.
Yes this badly laid out, i have a tiny box on my phone to read from.
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On October 30 2013 15:01 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2013 10:23 justanothertownie wrote:
Hmm, syllo are you sure about this? I want to vote with my townreads but it really seems like the rolepm is the only strong point against holy at the moment. I don't know if I want to risk metagaming the hosts right now.
The "charm" explanation is at the very least possible somehow.
Apart from that Holy at least showed some investment in the game while BH, skanjabis, hopeless (and onegu to some extent) just don't give a fuck.
If you want my vote can you sum up your whole reasoning for a Holy lynch for me again?
Rayn really disappoints me btw. As soon as his lynch was off the table his announced great reread with scumreads was transformed into some underwhelming posting. Not that I did better but I didn't run around promising people to find scum. Maybe I will find a bit more time tomorrow. It's not the only strong point against him. See e.g. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20022026http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20022049Whenever I read that day 1 post from him I keep concluding that there is no way a townie would make a post like that. Besides what I stated in those posts, look at what he is saying. He is suggesting that town is, 24 hours into day 1, lacking direction and he has to give it some. The direction he offers is 100% repackaged content and wants to lynch Palmar ridiculous reasons. Look at his "case" against Palmar - does it look like a lynch you should be "MOST comfortable with" and would that be the kind of direction town desperately needs. Nowhere does he even say that Palmar's play makes him mafia and in fact he suggests that Palmar playing more would help town.
None of it is repackaged, i fully stated that is was lurker policy lynching thrown in, i added that it could change based on future posting. I have 20+ pages of filter and the only posts you can point out are those, you are total garbage my friend. I quite clearly answered you coherently and sensibly and that is why you dropped that previous line of nonsense here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052¤tpage=94#1861
If you are going to pretty much afk the game and only come back and vote me because of the wording of my role that's fine. But do not make it seem like you are putting effort in by rehashing a past resolved post. Thwt is really bad play.
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Can you stop the constant insults towards everyone? You have not been suspicious of a single flipped mafia and being mafia does not give you the license to insult other players.
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