Because his play makes no sense at all for mafia and I believe that there is a cop. I guess I could write a case as to why he is town, but he is going to flip soon and everyone is already voting to lynch Cephiro, who seems mafia regardless of any check.

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

October 23 2013 17:52 GMT

#3586

But why? He says he has the power of 5 to vote for something as mocsta said, he had 6 people on his coins. Don't you think that because 1 of them was scum he gets votes based on how many town are with him? That seems like a town power to me.

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

October 23 2013 17:53 GMT

#3587

Especially as he seemingly gets checks too. Mafia had a cop and he died already.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

October 23 2013 17:54 GMT

#3588

No, I think that there were 4 members of his "circle" (him, moc, me, grack) plus a secret vote power that he HAS AND USED yesterday. Thats what he was referring to with "5 votes" IMO.

Regardless we r lynching ceph for cop check.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

October 23 2013 17:55 GMT

#3589

Are you serious? We don't know anything about his powers. This conversation is pointless as I can assure you that you aren't going to convince me on this.

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

October 23 2013 17:55 GMT

#3590

Oh ok, i want him to full claim then or i will double vote him.

Grackaroni

United States9832 Posts

October 23 2013 17:58 GMT

#3591

I think Sn0 Man is right, Cephiro used a secret vote.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

October 23 2013 17:59 GMT

#3592

I think ur double voting today regardless. Town is commandingly in the lead I still think no reason for shenannies to be possible. Regardless of anything BH may say.

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

October 23 2013 17:59 GMT

#3593

On October 24 2013 02:59 Sn0_Man wrote:
I think ur double voting today regardless. Town is commandingly in the lead I still think no reason for shenannies to be possible. Regardless of anything BH may say.

I know i am double voting regardless, just want cephiro to full claim before i lynch him

Blazinghand

United States25550 Posts

October 23 2013 18:49 GMT

#3594

>irregardless

mfw

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

October 23 2013 18:57 GMT

#3595

Back from practice. The 5 votes referred to 5 players being alive in a house for example. (For example hufflepuff would have had 5 votes if they voted as a house before the modkills.) I don't get how you are so good at misunderstanding stuff. -_-

If I am the one to be lynched today, you're going to lynch into gryffindor until scum dies or they are all dead. Then hufflepuff. Then Mocsta.

Taking a shower and returning for discussion after.

Blazinghand

United States25550 Posts

October 23 2013 18:58 GMT

#3596

So i'm reasonably sure matt/storr is gonna flip town. If they were going to flip red they'd not have been modkilled for communicationg out of thread since obviously scum can talk to each other. There's the possibility that say matt is really the cop but storr was pulling his leg, or matt was fake claiming cop privately to storr who was actually a townie, but the following exchange makes sense to me in a mason QT:

Cop: I trust you. I'm the cop.
Masoner: I believe that claim. I know a way we can effectively use your cop powers in thread! We'll set up a code word for what you've checked, and i'll claim cop. This way, after I get shot, you'll have an extra check.
Cop: Effectively, it will let us claim and I'll have two cycles before i die, rather than three. I'm in. Here's the code i'm going to use, let's do it.

I totally believe that exchange happened. I think we can act as though storr's check of "1 griffinscum" to be accurate for now. If we're talking about JAT, a claimed vigi, Raynkosh, or Ceph, I'm thinking Ceph as well. Raynkosh disagreed with itself about me, and that makes me think it is more likely to be town. If Rayn gave me a townread, Kosh is really only motivated to try to countermand Rayn if he thinks giving me a townread will cause them to lose. If they're scum, Kosh doesn't give a dick about Rayn's townread on me unless he plans on lynching me or something. Likewise, Rayn would be easily convinced to withdraw said townread because it doesn't REALLY matter what their read on me is. The only time there'd be some hilarious hydra drama like this, barring of course faking it for towncred (which could be a thing, but I doubt it) is that Rayn and Kosh are literally arguing with each other vehemently about the read on me. If that matters to them so much, they are probably town.

When we think about how we give townreads on normal players, a lot of it has to do not with how good their reads are (though we don't mind that) but rather how their mindset and motivation matches up to that of a player trying to win with the town. We look for reasonable cases, for attempts to find out people's alignment, and even, yes, sometimes irrational tunneling. When you see a guy get his mind changed due to entirely reasonable points and clearly caring about the accuracy of his reads, that's an indication he's town. RaynKosh were doing the hydra version of that re: me.

Assuming we believe JAT's vigi claim I'm down to lynch Ceph (unless there's a 4th gryffindor member)

Blazinghand

United States25550 Posts

October 23 2013 18:59 GMT

#3597

brb dinner

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

October 23 2013 18:59 GMT

#3598

On October 24 2013 03:49 Blazinghand wrote:
>irregardless

mfw

you are such a diligent scumhunter

Blazinghand

United States25550 Posts

October 23 2013 19:00 GMT

#3599

i know sn0 where would you be without me

##vote Cephiro

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

October 23 2013 19:36 GMT

#3600

On October 23 2013 06:26 justanothertownie wrote:
So the RC qt is dead since N1? How so? Why would remaining townies not try to bounce some reads off a confirmed townie in the qt? Ok, if CR is town he probably didn't have the time but Onegu? If he had posted a bit more in thread this would look really bad.
If he was scum though he would know there is nothing to gain posting in there because it would only allow syllo to get a better read on him.
Just a thought that was recently discussed in our qt.

^ Onegu, answers please.