EPTVayne's play is VERY unlikely to come form mafia!Vayne. He works differently as mafia. I just read Noir's obs QT and Vayne describes his town!meta very accurately there. That's the easiest way to read him.
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raynpelikoneet
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Vayne's play is VERY unlikely to come form mafia!Vayne. He works differently as mafia. I just read Noir's obs QT and Vayne describes his town!meta very accurately there. That's the easiest way to read him. | ||
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austinmcc
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So if it ain't cc, it's one of the other two, regardless of townie play. I also maintain that, whether he's played townie or scummily, those posts on oats come from the mafia mindset. Cheese has his own mafia mindset post on oats though and now it can only be one person. | ||
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austinmcc
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raynpelikoneet
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On October 12 2013 02:47 austinmcc wrote: At this point though, I have three options. CC/VA/WoS. So if it ain't cc, it's one of the other two, regardless of townie play. I also maintain that, whether he's played townie or scummily, those posts on oats come from the mafia mindset. Cheese has his own mafia mindset post on oats though and now it can only be one person. No it doesn't. "I don't find the "convincing others" part to be very fun or interesting. I just like seeing if what I am doing is correct. " Whether or not you think this is wise it's a perfect summary of how Vayne plays as town. Unless he has changed his meta a full 180 this is town!Vayne without any doubt. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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austinmcc
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On October 12 2013 02:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ya, those posts come from mafia mindset. As far as meta, VA himself seems to love claiming that he has none/changes it/can't be read/etc. etc. You believe that all to be crap? (full disclosure, I do, but at the very least he claims to muddy the waters on his town style)No it doesn't. "I don't find the "convincing others" part to be very fun or interesting. I just like seeing if what I am doing is correct. " Whether or not you think this is wise it's a perfect summary of how Vayne plays as town. Unless he has changed his meta a full 180 this is town!Vayne without any doubt. On October 12 2013 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: I already addressed this. It's not about right or wrong on the read. There are two ways to respond to being wrong.Vayne's reaction to Oats confirmation would be a scumtell for most of the people playing mafia, but not to him. He cares more about if he is right or not compared to who is winning or who gets lynched.
The townie response attacks oats's play, because oats's perceived poor play made him look scummy. The scummy response attacks the cop for taking a "bad shot," and figures out reasons why Koshi was dumb and his check might be wrong. VA did the scummy response and only like 20-30 minutes later did he finally utter the townie "can't believe oats was town while playing that way." VA may really want to be right, but he can be wrong and attack oats or attack koshi. His posts indicate he almost blamed koshi for his own wrong read on oats - bad target, oats might still be scum. | ||
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VayneAuthority
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On October 09 2013 04:28 VayneAuthority wrote: and for some reason you don't understand that that is completely subjective. god you are an idiot. really hope you get flipped tonight this game is going in circles at this point that's not a real scumread austin, it's just your subjective view on something. it's bad. we already went over this | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Is it more likely that he wants to claim scum rather than that he cannot believe Oats was town and was angry because of it? Which is more likely? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 12 2013 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why does he do that as mafia? Cuz he wants to respond to the check and possibly undermine it, still get oats lynched. Or just because he wants to respond, feels like he should post about this, and makes a scummy post. Mafia make scummy posts, it happens.So why does he do that as mafia? Is it more likely that he wants to claim scum rather than that he cannot believe Oats was town and was angry because of it? Which is more likely? It's not about oats being townie and him being angry. It's about oats being townie and him being angry AT SOMETHING. The something he's angry at is important. People who blame the cop for checking, and do so based on misrepresenting how things probably play out (oats prime bulletproof target as mafia), are more likely to be mafia. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On October 12 2013 03:13 austinmcc wrote: Why does he do that as mafia? Cuz he wants to respond to the check and possibly undermine it, still get oats lynched. Or just because he wants to respond, feels like he should post about this, and makes a scummy post. Mafia make scummy posts, it happens. It's not about oats being townie and him being angry. It's about oats being townie and him being angry AT SOMETHING. The something he's angry at is important. People who blame the cop for checking, and do so based on misrepresenting how things probably play out (oats prime bulletproof target as mafia), are more likely to be mafia. do you have like statistical data to back up that last statement? LOL | ||
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VayneAuthority
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WaveofShadow
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I'm not 100% sure on Vayne (mostly because my recent townread is based on some mind-meld town POV stuff, and every other time I've based reads on like one post this game I've been wrong), but I don't necessarily see how that's a scum reaction. I'd be WAY more careful as scum to let my anger over losing a mislynch target spill into the thread. Like.,...why would you not fake the joy or go for the townie reaction here? I 100% would. | ||
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austinmcc
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On October 12 2013 03:15 VayneAuthority wrote: Yaya. 9/10 dentists agree.do you have like statistical data to back up that last statement? LOL No stats, but it worked with ange in ... rock band mini. She reacted in a slightly wonky way to a screwed up claim about 5 minutes before we lynched a mason, and the way she did it showed she wasn't actually thinking about whether the claim was legit or not. That's the only time I can think of that a particular reaction has felt mafia mindset-y to me. I won't claim that 1/1 is equivalent to it being correct all ova da place. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 12 2013 03:16 WaveofShadow wrote: I get this, rayn is saying the same thing, "Why would he do that?"Ehhhhh I'm not 100% sure on Vayne (mostly because my recent townread is based on some mind-meld town POV stuff, and every other time I've based reads on like one post this game I've been wrong), but I don't necessarily see how that's a scum reaction. I'd be WAY more careful as scum to let my anger over losing a mislynch target spill into the thread. Like.,...why would you not fake the joy or go for the townie reaction here? I 100% would. It boils down to the options: A townie had the scummy reaction and attacked the cop for stopping a mislynch, trying to undermine the veracity of the check. OR A mafia player posted a scummy post. Sometimes they slip, sometimes they post too quick, I know I've posted stuff as mafia and gone OH NO NO NO. Other people have outed themselves as mafia through single posts, it DOES happen. And most of the time, if someone accidentally slips, it's going to be when a plan goes awry, something mafia didn't expect suddenly pops up and they react to it. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
On October 12 2013 03:16 WaveofShadow wrote: Ehhhhh I'm not 100% sure on Vayne (mostly because my recent townread is based on some mind-meld town POV stuff, and every other time I've based reads on like one post this game I've been wrong), but I don't necessarily see how that's a scum reaction. I'd be WAY more careful as scum to let my anger over losing a mislynch target spill into the thread. Like.,...why would you not fake the joy or go for the townie reaction here? I 100% would. This. Like what, try to still get Oats lynched after he has been cleared? That's a ridiculous statement Austin.. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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raynpelikoneet
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On October 08 2013 12:51 austinmcc wrote: If you were a matador, and the players alive in this game were all part-bull part-robot beasts (are part-robot animals cyborgs?), probably the result of some sort of scientific experimentation, perhaps a government program in an early phase before looking towards human cyborg soldiers: (1) which player would be the most robotic, perhaps with just a shred of bullmanity remaining? (2) which player has the most original bull, and has barely been robotified at all? (3) which player is the most dangerous bull, the one you know you have to keep in front of you or you'll be gored? (4) how do you subdue the robot bulls? feel free to answer later if you're headed home. but please do answer When people were talking about his "reads post" that apparently never existed in the first place, this was all Austin had to say. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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austinmcc
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On October 12 2013 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: P'shaw. We'll find out soon enough why he did that, but I still think it's to try and look townie.I also can't get past Austin's reaction to CR claiming scum on N4. | ||
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