Early BH kill suspicion slightly mafia. Never really GOES anywhere with it.
Conversation with CR after N1 kills gut townie. CR arguing that BH was shot by police, VA probably the most argumentative there, countering each CR argument. Don't see this as a point that needs mafia/mafia arguing over to look good.
Paranoid minor scum on VA addressing CR's post attacking him. People have poked VA, wanted to policy lynch VA, voted him, but his response to CR is the first time he just goes off on why the person attacking him is wrong, but then also makes no conclusion about CR's alignment. Reads like he's interacting differently with the CR attack than other attacks. However, I actually like that VA also draws reads (WoS town) because of the way folks react to the CR post. Looks more like someone trying to figure out the game.
Lots of speculation not just on NKs, but on ... cop actions. Hiro gets shot and he's immediately trying to figure out what powers we lost. Possible fishing, not especially scummy on its own given his apprent kill/action bent.
His push on oats is neutral. I push for his reasoning, he says it's really just oats's inactivity, notes that inactive oats in Nuclear was scum. No attempt to grab any extra reasons.
Apart from those small reactions, here are two large things that stick out to me. One has already been covered ad nauseum, the other is his posts on CR.
On October 01 2013 14:26 VayneAuthority wrote: alright now I get to tear you to shreds. Let me show you why you're making a grave error here.
1. You say FT looks town because he is going after "good players that aren't considered to be scummy by the majority." I have been doing the same thing by going after grackaroni, palmar, and pandain yet I am somehow scum to you. Contradiction #1
2. You are complaining about my personality and my playstyle, not mentioning things that make me scummy. If it was as simple as people that care are town and people that don't care are scum nobody would play mafia since it would be pointlessly easy. Koshi is a townread because he isn't even trying to look town yet I get flak for simply bullshitting with other players that are also bullshitting? Contradiction #2
3. I'm being active without any obligation. I could easily just lurk like half of this game right now but I'm not. Seems to make austin a town read but not me...Hm. Contradiction #3
I could do more but I think that is sufficient. If you need help from your scum team on not making easy posts to debunk then ask them in the QT. if you are town then stop bothering me.
Null.
On October 05 2013 03:06 VayneAuthority wrote: all I know about CR is that he has never rolled scum here before and Coag said he plays scum well on the other site they play together. I don't find him townie at all really but I guess im alone. more on that before night ends.
In short, it seems like he is using me as leverage for the lynch tomorrow, so that he has an excuse to already vote me tomorrow without doing much of anything again.
Not townie.
On October 06 2013 01:54 VayneAuthority wrote: if anything im going to be pressure voting CR tomorrow. fuck this lurking shit when i dont know anything about the guy
Pressure vote, no clear read.
On October 08 2013 12:07 VayneAuthority wrote: I don't really care at this point if he's scum or not, just bored with these mega lurkers that make the game impossible if they are alive at endgame, which could happen
On October 08 2013 12:14 VayneAuthority wrote: assuming im wrong about one of pandain/austin he would be my filler choice. Still not sure on the 3rd really ever since oats got confirmed. No idea who the last banger is. Cheesecake? bad. I dont know man.
Don't care/he's scum if other reads are wrong.
He doesn't get a read on CR for CR's early attack on VA. He never really bothers to address CR at all, despite CR somewhat attacking VA in thread and despite CR being a legitimate topic of discussion at times. Even the posts that read like he DOES have thoughts on CR, they're never really explicit. "I don't find him townie at all" without explanation, "I don't really care", "He's my filler scum if I'm wrong on x or y." There's never a reason he's scum, or a reason he's not scum. Sort of halfway mentioning CR while never actually addressing him reads as scummy to me.
Overall, he stays where he is for me, scummier than WoS but townier than cc.
On October 12 2013 04:01 austinmcc wrote: Stream of consciousness Vayne's filter:
Early BH kill suspicion slightly mafia. Never really GOES anywhere with it.
Conversation with CR after N1 kills gut townie. CR arguing that BH was shot by police, VA probably the most argumentative there, countering each CR argument. Don't see this as a point that needs mafia/mafia arguing over to look good.
Paranoid minor scum on VA addressing CR's post attacking him. People have poked VA, wanted to policy lynch VA, voted him, but his response to CR is the first time he just goes off on why the person attacking him is wrong, but then also makes no conclusion about CR's alignment. Reads like he's interacting differently with the CR attack than other attacks. However, I actually like that VA also draws reads (WoS town) because of the way folks react to the CR post. Looks more like someone trying to figure out the game.
Lots of speculation not just on NKs, but on ... cop actions. Hiro gets shot and he's immediately trying to figure out what powers we lost. Possible fishing, not especially scummy on its own given his apprent kill/action bent.
His push on oats is neutral. I push for his reasoning, he says it's really just oats's inactivity, notes that inactive oats in Nuclear was scum. No attempt to grab any extra reasons.
Apart from those small reactions, here are two large things that stick out to me. One has already been covered ad nauseum, the other is his posts on CR.
On October 01 2013 14:26 VayneAuthority wrote: alright now I get to tear you to shreds. Let me show you why you're making a grave error here.
1. You say FT looks town because he is going after "good players that aren't considered to be scummy by the majority." I have been doing the same thing by going after grackaroni, palmar, and pandain yet I am somehow scum to you. Contradiction #1
2. You are complaining about my personality and my playstyle, not mentioning things that make me scummy. If it was as simple as people that care are town and people that don't care are scum nobody would play mafia since it would be pointlessly easy. Koshi is a townread because he isn't even trying to look town yet I get flak for simply bullshitting with other players that are also bullshitting? Contradiction #2
3. I'm being active without any obligation. I could easily just lurk like half of this game right now but I'm not. Seems to make austin a town read but not me...Hm. Contradiction #3
I could do more but I think that is sufficient. If you need help from your scum team on not making easy posts to debunk then ask them in the QT. if you are town then stop bothering me.
On October 05 2013 03:06 VayneAuthority wrote: all I know about CR is that he has never rolled scum here before and Coag said he plays scum well on the other site they play together. I don't find him townie at all really but I guess im alone. more on that before night ends.
In short, it seems like he is using me as leverage for the lynch tomorrow, so that he has an excuse to already vote me tomorrow without doing much of anything again.
On October 06 2013 01:54 VayneAuthority wrote: if anything im going to be pressure voting CR tomorrow. fuck this lurking shit when i dont know anything about the guy
On October 08 2013 12:07 VayneAuthority wrote: I don't really care at this point if he's scum or not, just bored with these mega lurkers that make the game impossible if they are alive at endgame, which could happen
On October 08 2013 12:14 VayneAuthority wrote: assuming im wrong about one of pandain/austin he would be my filler choice. Still not sure on the 3rd really ever since oats got confirmed. No idea who the last banger is. Cheesecake? bad. I dont know man.
Don't care/he's scum if other reads are wrong.
He doesn't get a read on CR for CR's early attack on VA. He never really bothers to address CR at all, despite CR somewhat attacking VA in thread and despite CR being a legitimate topic of discussion at times. Even the posts that read like he DOES have thoughts on CR, they're never really explicit. "I don't find him townie at all" without explanation, "I don't really care", "He's my filler scum if I'm wrong on x or y." There's never a reason he's scum, or a reason he's not scum. Sort of halfway mentioning CR while never actually addressing him reads as scummy to me.
Overall, he stays where he is for me, scummier than WoS but townier than cc.
On October 12 2013 04:05 VayneAuthority wrote: in what universe is calling grack/pandain/palmar scum not going anywhere with the BH kill?
On September 30 2013 07:37 VayneAuthority wrote: So I have no idea why anyone shot BH or what this means. The only people that trusted him even remotely were pandain, grack, and palmar. Everybody else tried to throw suspicion on him or said he was scummy. He died though so we know it wasn't a cop kill. Sooo wtf is going on here.
Palmar/Pandain probably come off looking the worst from this since palmar gave him a town read and visa versa and pandain is trying to lynch FT through his dead body. Grack has some sort of boner for BH where he looks up to him so that is a potential fear kill.
No need to reply to this post, I won't read it
You explicitly state you don't know what it means. You say 2/3 of those probably come off looking the worst, but not that they do. You say BH is maybe a potential "fear kill" for grackaroni.
You're straight up saying you don't know what to make of things and you DON'T explicitly call them scum. Not when you're initially poking around.
On October 05 2013 03:06 VayneAuthority wrote: all I know about CR is that he has never rolled scum here before and Coag said he plays scum well on the other site they play together. I don't find him townie at all really but I guess im alone. more on that before night ends.
In short, it seems like he is using me as leverage for the lynch tomorrow, so that he has an excuse to already vote me tomorrow without doing much of anything again.
I actually find this very townie post. That thing with Coag <--> CR is from Noir and i remember it aswell. I think it was not worthless to point out.
On October 05 2013 03:06 VayneAuthority wrote: all I know about CR is that he has never rolled scum here before and Coag said he plays scum well on the other site they play together. I don't find him townie at all really but I guess im alone. more on that before night ends.
In short, it seems like he is using me as leverage for the lynch tomorrow, so that he has an excuse to already vote me tomorrow without doing much of anything again.
I actually find this very townie post. That thing with Coag <--> CR is from Noir and i remember it aswell. I think it was not worthless to point out.
Not worthless necessarily but considering the theme of this game has been FUCKING BUS EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING I don't think it gives him many townie points.
On October 05 2013 03:06 VayneAuthority wrote: all I know about CR is that he has never rolled scum here before and Coag said he plays scum well on the other site they play together. I don't find him townie at all really but I guess im alone. more on that before night ends.
In short, it seems like he is using me as leverage for the lynch tomorrow, so that he has an excuse to already vote me tomorrow without doing much of anything again.
I actually find this very townie post. That thing with Coag <--> CR is from Noir and i remember it aswell. I think it was not worthless to point out.
Pointing it out cool, pointing out things --> getting reads on people cool.
But IF he has a read here, it's slightly murky as "don't find him townie", not committing to finding him scummy. And the read never continues, it doesn't progress, it's never commented on, etc.
On October 01 2013 00:46 VayneAuthority wrote: after reading all filters those are the 3 that were most likely to dispose of BH
austin just refuses to stop lying all game, im lynching him first.
You have a quote that says you don't know what to make of it. You have a quote that these three are the most likely to dispose of him. They either conflict OR you think those three are the most likely to dispose of him but don't actually know what to do with that thought.
And there's no attempt to go "these are the people most likely to dispose of him, which one is the MOST likely." If you come to a conclusion, your conclusion is "These are the people that might have wanted to kill BH and they're all scum." To me, that's a part of the progression of you thinking about the NK, but not the end. Throwing out the names without digging to see if you like one in particular, or think that these 2 might be on the same team because of x, and therefore BH was probably killed by that team, etc. etc. You pause at "here are some dudes."
On October 01 2013 00:46 VayneAuthority wrote: after reading all filters those are the 3 that were most likely to dispose of BH
austin just refuses to stop lying all game, im lynching him first.
You have a quote that says you don't know what to make of it. You have a quote that these three are the most likely to dispose of him. They either conflict OR you think those three are the most likely to dispose of him but don't actually know what to do with that thought.
And there's no attempt to go "these are the people most likely to dispose of him, which one is the MOST likely." If you come to a conclusion, your conclusion is "These are the people that might have wanted to kill BH and they're all scum." To me, that's a part of the progression of you thinking about the NK, but not the end. Throwing out the names without digging to see if you like one in particular, or think that these 2 might be on the same team because of x, and therefore BH was probably killed by that team, etc. etc. You pause at "here are some dudes."
you fail to mention that they are chronological. The quote you posted is my initial reaction, the quote I posted is after I have dug into their filters heavily. LoL if you aren't scum you are just really bad bro
It's not about pushing them later so much, it's...
He wants to see who killed BH. He looks, finds three people with townreads on BH, decides they're maybe the candidates but he's unsure.
He never picks A DUDE who did it, he never goes "here's my list of maybe shooters, which one had the best reason/looks the absolute worst?" What he does if say these guys maybe, then poke at CR about night actions and how CR is wrong, tussle with WoS, call out hiro for defending himself from what WAS a weird attack, and then circle back around to voting grack and saying he'll vote pandain/palmar, because those 3 were most likely to kill BH.
He goes from these three people maybe killed BH --> I will vote these three people because they maybe killed BH.
Doesn't try to figure out WHICH, doesn't rule any one dude out, or anything. It's like going halfway with his speculation. Here's some people that might have committed the crime, I'll vote for any of them. The list of some people is nice, but you need THE GUY, or a reason to think grack (his vote) is the guy more than pandain/palmar (who he'll also vote for but isn't voting).
Does this not make sense to anyone else? The list is never narrowed, and the list is suddenly all scum, will vote for all three.
I have no idea which one of Austin/CC we should lynch. Probably just lynch CC as he completely fucked off after D4. At least Austin is trying and putting effort into this.
I just had a thought for a play I think scum may very well make tonight. Posting this right at deadline:
If scum do indeed have 2KP they may not risk using the second (since VE is a sure kill) and instead hope for the mislynch today so they can use BOTH KP tomorrow night and win(?) (since likely everyone has used their vest who has one tonight). They may also attempt a fakeclaim of vest use if they only use the one shot.
Be wary.
Scum, I may or may not have used my vest tonight for the first time in preparation for such a scenario. GL with that!
On October 12 2013 05:00 WaveofShadow wrote: I just had a thought for a play I think scum may very well make tonight. Posting this right at deadline:
If scum do indeed have 2KP they may not risk using the second (since VE is a sure kill) and instead hope for the mislynch today so they can use BOTH KP tomorrow night and win(?) (since likely everyone has used their vest who has one tonight). They may also attempt a fakeclaim of vest use if they only use the one shot.
Be wary.
Scum, I may or may not have used my vest tonight for the first time in preparation for such a scenario. GL with that!
Drive-By - scum sacrifice 1 KP this night for 2 KP the following night. One of the 2 KP must be used to make a night-kill. Cannot be used on consecutive nights.
If they used it 2 nights ago to get 2 KP tonight, they couldn't use it again tonight.
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