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Oatsmaster
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
you should probably think about that a little. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
On October 03 2013 21:20 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm pretty sure he just did nothing at all at any point until he pushed OO (scum) hard when he decided to win with town. He was more of a survivor role though and he didn't have to do anything, scum was already winning. Don't think there's much of a comparison. Really? This is wrong. Have you even read his filter from that game? In Aperture Risen is actually really coherant and explains himself very well. I think this is something you should know as you were scum and you guys decided to even shoot him for some reason. Why did you shoot him in Aperture? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On October 03 2013 21:27 Oatsmaster wrote: yeah I dont mean townies always want to lynch me, I mean ONLY townies want to lynch Townoats i was mafia | ||
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Oatsmaster
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Oatsmaster
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On October 03 2013 21:27 marvellosity wrote: by the way - scum don't have to, because you play so terribly that town do the job for them. you should probably think about that a little. Cheap shot man, this has nothing to do with what im talking about. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On October 03 2013 21:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Really? This is wrong. Have you even read his filter from that game? In Aperture Risen is actually really coherant and explains himself very well. I think this is something you should know as you were scum and you guys decided to even shoot him for some reason. Why did you shoot him in Aperture? This really isn't that interesting nor relevant. We shot risen after his claim. He did nothing d1 and d2 because scum were already winning. Then he tried to lynch scum and succeeded. There is no comparison you could make to a risen scumgame and his game in aperture. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On October 03 2013 21:29 Oatsmaster wrote: Cheap shot man, this has nothing to do with what im talking about. It's not a cheap shot, it's true. You're always a possible mislynch and mafia don't have to push you because you're scummy enough that town will push you on their behalf. That's just fact. rayn, my dear. I think we both know that a decent way of reading your alignment is how you go after your targets and how confrontational and aggressive you are. Even if I take your busyness claim at face value, how do you imagine I or other people in the game go about getting a townread on you, should you be town? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
Does anyone know from which game was that? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
DoyouseewhatI'msaying? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On October 03 2013 21:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Afaik Risen has some "best mafia play award", correct? Does anyone know from which game was that? TL Mafia "Area" LIII He did a last minute, superscummy voteswitch from one townie to another, and got away with it. I was in that game T.T | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
On October 03 2013 21:32 marvellosity wrote: It's not a cheap shot, it's true. You're always a possible mislynch and mafia don't have to push you because you're scummy enough that town will push you on their behalf. That's just fact. rayn, my dear. I think we both know that a decent way of reading your alignment is how you go after your targets and how confrontational and aggressive you are. Even if I take your busyness claim at face value, how do you imagine I or other people in the game go about getting a townread on you, should you be town? I am not imagining anything. I am trying to contribute right here right now and it should help you guys figuring out my alignment and vice versa. I am not expecting anything other than you judging me by what i post rather than what/when i don't post. Simple. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
On October 03 2013 21:32 marvellosity wrote: It's not a cheap shot, it's true. You're always a possible mislynch and mafia don't have to push you because you're scummy enough that town will push you on their behalf. That's just fact. rayn, my dear. I think we both know that a decent way of reading your alignment is how you go after your targets and how confrontational and aggressive you are. Even if I take your busyness claim at face value, how do you imagine I or other people in the game go about getting a townread on you, should you be town? Its not relevant in the slightest. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
On October 03 2013 21:32 marvellosity wrote: You said it yourself rayn - in minis (and by gad this is a mini) you like to get your reads by getting in people's faces and interacting with people. Yet there's been very little of that this game. DoyouseewhatI'msaying? Yes i see that, and that's what i am trying to do. I was trying to do that with BH yesterday, but for some reason he is impossible to talk to. :D | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
So when you don't exhibit things I expect from town-rayn, I worry. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
Firstly, I understand that people are finding scumreads/slips, however, most of them seem to be circumstantial. (i.e. Why would town "x" do this compared to scum "x", eg. Risen case.) What I would most like to see in a day 1 lynch is who is being the LEAST useful/scummy and who is just sliding by. In my eyes, the people under the main focus at the moment; Dirkzor, Risen, Sloosh, Rayn and Oats (clarity has been mentioned too) should be eliminated 1 by 1 in terms of rating of their overall posting to determine who is the optimal lynch for day 1 and ultimately who will be most useful in an endgame lylo scenario. So, Dirkzor I made my case on him HERE. Since this post, (bear in mind his vote was on me for a long time even though he supposedly "didn't think HF was scum anymore") he's had to defend himself a myriad of times, against the same points that I originally brought up in my linked case. Why has he had to do this? (+ Show Spoiler + On October 03 2013 19:58 Oatsmaster wrote: LIES. So here I would assume you have a scumread on him. Then And now you think hes townie. After reading the same exact filter. Or saying you had. Which is the same thing. On October 02 2013 22:45 Dirkzor wrote: I was thinking about voting myself as a placeholder. After my HF fuckup I don't really have a clear read so I decided just to let it stay put... If I'm scum I wouldn't draw that much attention to myself. Meh... So, what reason do I have to vote/not vote him? Cons 1. His feel reads/lack of analysis at start 2. His contradictary statements (doesn't matter what he says, they were) Pros 1. Since the whole first post debacle, he's been pressured and I think responded fairly well. 2. He's been scumhunting (or somewhat following peoples scumhunts, classic sheeping?) 2.1 + Show Spoiler + On October 03 2013 15:38 Dirkzor wrote: Wat? Explain how you went from "Nothing to compelling" to then add some wiffle-waffle and suddenly you feel good about it? 2.2 + Show Spoiler + On October 03 2013 16:09 Dirkzor wrote: When readin Rayn's fillter he seems to be scooting by without trying to make to much trace or impact. From what he have done so far is thinking real long and hard about BH/oats interaction without ever coming to a conclusion. He don't want to comment on anything else in the game because "it have been said" and "i agree". What? Are you 100% in agreement? You don't have anything to add to any case or any resservations about any case or reaction thereof? This is the worst: BH is in the thread and want to talk about something that rayn have pondering. Instead of asking BH questions about the things he slides of and does nothing... Rayn looks like a good lynch actually. But I would still like to hear from Sloosh too. On October 03 2013 15:51 Blazinghand wrote: Okay, doing some thinking and reading. I'll also say that I'm suspicious of clarity for the fact that he's been talking a lot but most of it has been asking questions or sheeping. His vote of Dirk is scummy imo. Now that I've had time to think about it, I don't award him any credit for explaining my thoughts. this is something scum can and does easily do to look like a contribution. It wasn't worthless though so it's not a scumtell. That being said, I don't think clarity is actively disrupting the thread. In his questions an attempts to interact, although they can be incoherent, they look like he's trying to develop reads and interact with other players in a constructive way. I don't like that he doesn't have any serious long posts with analysis. His conversation is good, but he hasn't seriously followed it up. That being said, Clarity is generally active and in the thread. Like Dirk, he hasn't posted enough analysis, but at least he's around. I think his alignment will become more clear one way or another as the game goes forwards. I am not willing to lynch Clarity today. I don't like Dirk's entrance into the thread either. It doesn't make a huge amount of sense. he hasn't played amazingly, but this post in particular (LINK) gives him a little bit of credit in my eyes. He's willing to admit he is wrong later, but ultimately his contributions today are lacking. His filter is short and his only serious posts (link) (link) are summary or backtracked. Due to the fact that he hasn't produced serious analysis or things he has been held to, I am willing to lynch Dirk today. He is not my top option however. I don't like sloosh's reasoning for voting clarity. scummy, but not oats tier. I swing around now to Rayne. He is normally a big poster and interacts a lot. He writes cases, he pushes, he and I usually have serious interactions by this point in the game. This game, though, he seems quiet and subdued. I don't like this. His entire filter is questions, insinuations, questioning insinuations, and weird one-liners where he seems not to understand things. This is really not what I'd expect from rayne. His stances are all soft and fluffy, and he's really not contributing and maing his opinions and stances known. Rayne isn't afraid of that kind of thing. Rayne isn't afraid to lead. Not normally, at least. ##unvote Oatsmaster ##vote Rayne http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&user=raynpelikoneet&view=all LOOK AT RAYN'S FILTER. It's not the filter of a town rayne. I know it's majority lynch, so I am currently willing to shenannie onto Oats or Dirk, but please, take a look at what i've liked and at rayne's overall filter. He's revealed nothing. He's pushed nothing seriously. He is all smoke and mirrors and no substance. 2.3 + Show Spoiler + On October 03 2013 19:47 Dirkzor wrote: Why was/is sloosh so sure I'm town? I'm having a hard time to figure this out. His reasoning and the way he see my timeline fit rather good with reality, but why did he come to that conclusion when no one else did/have? I know I'm town, but I also know that my first post wasn't stellar... Why was he defending me? Maybe it only looks weird to me since I know my alignment is town, but it looks preemptive if I was lynched. Anyone agree? I'm not sure I can just get over the first few posts no matter how he defends himself, he had "opinions" based on reading the thread/filters but then apparently didn't read. Apparently it was then all just a tactic to mess shit up? No, I don't think so. Dikzor is still one of my top lynches, although, I like his somewhat scumhuntyness too. Risen Risen has 1 page of filter, however, I haven't checked up on him to determine what his normal play is like. From the get go he was aggressive and put a vote on me. Which as I've pointed out previously, I liked. I found this to be a townlike attitude and after I responded he subsequently unvoted, although with no explanation. After that he kind of fell away for a bit and I felt that he seemed somewhat uninterested in the whole affairs of the game. When he returned he posted an entire case on clarity which I felt was somewhat lacking. His points can work both ways for town clarity and scum clarity and there were much more viable candidates at the time that were worth a lot more attention, especially as this is day 1 after all! I don't mind the case, at least it was some content and aggressive, in line with his nature that I've seen so far. What does strike me as suspicious was after people started critiquing it he just fell completely timid, something I would not expect him to do. He was shot down and did not push, he just asked people for their thoughts. He didn't fight his case. After that he's just disappeared. In conclusion, there isn't much to go by but the stuff that's there is aggressive and although seemingly confirmation biasy it got people talking about another potential person rather than beating the dead horse that other people were doing for a while. I like his aggressive nature, to the point where he would not be my first vote choice, but I want to see him defend himself a bit more. Sloosh He entered the thread with an opposite view to thread sentiment which people have taken in 2 ways: Scum with knowledge or town because of boldness. Obviously you can't really determine which but I like the fact that it got people talking about other areas. I mentioned the meta thing in my post addressed to him and he responded but also was questioning meta again after here: + Show Spoiler + On October 03 2013 00:02 slOosh wrote: Scum marv would call scumbuddy HF scum? He then starts boldly defending Dirk out of nowhere despite dirks posts being obviously lackluster. He says that he follows Dirks thought process etc etc but it all seems to me to be too convenient. If you actually read sloosh's filter it reads like how dirk thought I posted - a whole lot of stuff but no meat. Is it not a scum tactic to repeatedly ask people for their reads and not do much in the way of scum hunting? This is what he is doing. + Show Spoiler + On October 03 2013 08:00 slOosh wrote: rayn, what parts of Risen's post do you find townish? + Show Spoiler + On October 03 2013 11:10 slOosh wrote: Ohh BH, thoughts on clarity? + Show Spoiler + On October 03 2013 13:47 slOosh wrote: You and clarity. Does he have a history of "beeing on your dick"? His overall posting style if you read his filter is non-stop defence on everyone that is being attacked. There is only one accusatory part and that is his vote on clarity, which did not make sense from what he was posting. He goes from nothing compelling: here to: One piece of wiffle-waffle and then I change my mind This was totally out of line from what he was previously posting. His defence on Dirk despite his posting, his defence on others in the thread to straight out accusing someone he just said a case wasn't too compelling on makes him stand out like a sore thumb. He is probably my highest priority for lynching right now. Rayn What can I say but mirror other peoples thoughts? BH, Dirk etc. have all pointed out that his posts are shit. BH mentions his meta and I've done some reading, he makes cases, he participates. So far he's posted NOTHING that is helpful at all, literally one liners etc saying that he's read the thread and is contemplating what the fuck was happening between BH/Oats etc. I don't really need to explain anymore as you can just read his filter. He is my joint top lynch with Sloosh. Oats He starts out with his vote on me, convinced I am scum etc etc. He has the whole debacle with BH in which nothing really happens, he defend the fact that his vote is still on me, however, does not try and question it or contemplate that anyone else could be scum. I attribute this to the fact that it was early on in the game and there was no total alternative but it still seemed a bit tunnely to me (Which he actually addressed later on when he unvoted). + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2013 14:01 Oatsmaster wrote: All those words. That dont mean anything. I meant saying that someone is stifling discussion is what scum always like to do. Everyone else thinks that you are scummy. Therefore I cant do anything more to convince people at this point of time. COME ON HOLYFLARE. STOP POSTING LONG POSTS. NOT GOOD. You and BH are probably not on the same scumteam but I have a way more sure read on you than on BH. BH, is Holyflare a noob or not? He tells me to stop posting long posts, and that the points had no merit but then unvoted me after he re-read the next day. Which I also like about him. He's not afraid to admit that he was wrong and tunnel visioned. He's posted a lot of bs about how people can be scum if someone else is scum which seemed a bit like he was foreshadowing future events ie. + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2013 23:59 Oatsmaster wrote: Hmm. Ok so another reason why I think HF is town. If marv is scum with him, then Marv wont call him town. If marv is town, marv is probably right. So both ways, HF is town I think. I think that marv is null, he hasnt shown much of anything either way. I think Oats is making points about people that were original (ie. risen, although they work both ways) and he has stuck to Dirkzor, which I think was good seeing as people seemingly dismissed everything about him. I honestly think a lynch on oats would be a bad thing at this current point in time. I know my vote was/is on him but that was because I had been called out urgently yesterday and I apologise. However, for now. ##Unvote ##Vote: Sloosh | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
Dirkzor, Risen, Sloosh, Rayn and Oats (clarity has been mentioned too) should be eliminated 1 by 1 in terms of rating of their overall posting to determine who is the optimal lynch for day 1 and ultimately who will be most useful in an endgame lylo scenario. Possibly the worst reason for determining a lynch I ever heard in my life. Now I'll read the actual content of your post. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
Dirkzor, Risen, Sloosh, Rayn and Oats (clarity has been mentioned too) should be eliminated 1 by 1 in terms of rating of their overall posting to determine who is the optimal lynch for day 1 and ultimately who will be most useful in an endgame lylo scenario. Why would you say this? Also why did you hide your vote on Oats behind RNG as it was not RNG for you? | ||
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