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Sorry rayn, I am just busy. I think I will have 24 hours now that I can be very active in. Am I still scum if you know for a fact I couldnt post more?
About thread: I once heard that yamato as scum does 1 tryhard post and then fucks off as scum. But in this game I feel like it is town yamato. That first post wasnt a scummy trying to not get lynched day 1 post.
FirmTofu was scum in Titanic and Persona. I dont feel like he is scum here. Need to reread a bit though. Because FT likes to OMGUS himself when he is scum and I thought I read that once. Not sure yet.
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What niggles me about the Chairman Ray thing is this.
Do mafia really come into the thread with a post that basically blatantly says "I'm not gonna make reads today"?
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On September 22 2013 23:20 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 23:19 DarthPunk wrote:
Mattchew. You got a read on marv yet? no, and i never will
Trying not to spam post this game, but lol 
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On September 23 2013 00:20 Koshi wrote:
Sorry rayn, I am just busy. I think I will have 24 hours now that I can be very active in. Am I still scum if you know for a fact I couldnt post more?
About thread: I once heard that yamato as scum does 1 tryhard post and then fucks off as scum. But in this game I feel like it is town yamato. That first post wasnt a scummy trying to not get lynched day 1 post.
FirmTofu was scum in Titanic and Persona. I dont feel like he is scum here. Need to reread a bit though. Because FT likes to OMGUS himself when he is scum and I thought I read that once. Not sure yet.
I am not making a read on you based on what you don't post. What's that question about?
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Koshi, could you tell me what you make of rayn's push on you? Is it warranted? Do you think town-rayn would be able to distinguish from your... lower activity let's say this game compared to normal, and distinguish town/mafia?
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On September 22 2013 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:EBWOP: Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 23:12 Zaragon wrote:On September 22 2013 21:35 Mocsta wrote:On September 22 2013 21:22 Zaragon wrote:
So.. what do you make of VE dropping his issues with Geript once I presented a counter-point? Felt like softening his play as scum. Makes sense as town as well, though, it really was the sort of discussion where you can have an emotional reaction about something you might reread later. If he hadn't been a significant part in inciting the emotional part, it would be neutral; as is, suspicious I dunno what "softening his play as scum" means. I thought it was suspicous because he dropped his read based on my counter-point so easily. What i wrote was my own insight, but certainly also far from fact. I personally was expecting him to hold his point of view, and counter, my counter-point. Unless of course I was that convincing. DP kinda suggested later that may have been the case. Perhaps this point of discussion isn't worth pursuing then. Think it was partly that, partly just him rereading the posts in the morning. After that, it makes sense as either town or scum, just with different motivations. As I said I read the motivation from his posts more scum. By "softening his play" I mean trying to go lower profile and taking less risks. On September 22 2013 21:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2013 21:39 Zaragon wrote:On September 22 2013 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2013 21:22 Zaragon wrote:On September 22 2013 20:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2013 19:36 Zaragon wrote:I don't read either Tofu or DP as scum right now. The problem with that is, they could both be, playing off each other, as it would be a good time for that. Still, I'm going to assume they're town for now since the other line of thinking is currently not useful. Especially since Tofu suspects VE, who I have had a bad feeling about all game. I don't see any other reasoning for going after DP at this point as scum, I hope DP will elaborate about why he thinks there is. Oh and from earlier: On September 22 2013 09:26 ObviousOne wrote:On September 22 2013 09:23 justanothertownie wrote:
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So you think only scum posts like that? On September 22 2013 09:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2013 09:37 justanothertownie wrote:
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Because in my experience town does it all the time, too. It's not that it doesn't matter but if you want to convince me the dude is scum you should give me more reasons. Yeah you are right. It does not mean he is scum. But it's a post that serves no purpose. It says nothing. You should be by default curious of his intentions for making the post. It helps you getting a better read on him and it helps out people getting a better read on you. Townies should care about finding scum, bad posts should be called out. I wrote exactly what I thought. That it is more likely to come from scum. Does that outright eliminate him as town? No. But since fuck-all is happening I'm trying to make something happen. So you have completely avoided answering this question. It's kind of important to note that the question wasn't important, the fact that you haven't answered it yet though is very interesting. Do you think I'm scum? It was a bedtime post. But I'm glad you made some kind of use of it, even if only Rayn comes out looking slightly scum from it, to me. Rayn, would you say that your posts have generally had more substance than the one you pointed out? If we assume that asking what someone else thinks is not substance. Yes i am saying that my posts have had way more substance than the post of yours in question here. How does me saying what i did make me scum? Also what exactly is your read on Pandain / VE and why? It doesn't make you scum, you have just thrown out a lot of questions and provided few reads apart from a bit on FT. Which gives little material for anyone to read you, which is slightly scummy at this point. On September 22 2013 20:50 Mocsta wrote:On September 22 2013 20:45 Zaragon wrote:On September 22 2013 20:01 marvellosity wrote:
Zaragon, your filter has basically nothing of substance on VE, other than "feels", and "potentially a mafia VE might play this way if both these dudes are town".
Elaborate please. That's what it boils down to. His timing and input with his posts at that time seemed very deliberate, acting as catalyst for a town vs town fight and at the same time establishing himself as being on DP's side. Even his emotional responses felt too deliberate to me; I can't define that as it's mostly gut. It's day one, so any read--for me at least--works under the assumption that someone is linked to someone who is likely either town or scum. Any suspicion I have is still weak, and I won't pretend otherwise. I missed my window to go after him with sharper phrasings. So.. what do you make of VE dropping his issues with Geript once I presented a counter-point? Felt like softening his play as scum. Makes sense as town as well, though, it really was the sort of discussion where you can have an emotional reaction about something you might reread later. If he hadn't been a significant part in inciting the emotional part, it would be neutral; as is, suspicious So in comparsion you should be really scummy then? Yet another question and no substance. I've been giving my reads and analyzing people consistently; yes, I condense my points with little detail--I type slowly and am not going to bore anyone with my medical history. Give me your read on something I have said and I will address it. I ask questions and make conclusions from them. If the questions end up in non-scum conclusion i drop the matter because there is no need to say it ends up in a town/null read. Your analysis and conclusions are all "this guy did this and then that and he could do that as scum or town both". You have ne real conclusions in your posts. I would like you to give some conclusions that actually take some stance on someone. The only thing close to this is when you called me slightly scummy, and that is bullshit. Yes, I keep in mind the possibility that someone could be town even if they do something scummy. I'm not scum so I don't know who is town besides myself. I've given reads on what is likely; if you prefer, you can read them as more definite when you interpret me. I currently have no interest in pretending someone is absolutely scum or absolutely town, I have an interest in making links, and for day 1 choosing a good, likely target that yields a decent amount of information. Currently I'd be fine with VE lynch (feels scummy and would give us significant info from the early day events). There are lots of possible backups like LoneMeow, Sentinel, Rayn, Pandain but I don't have a comfortable read on them. I don't care about the lurkers or people posting nothingness, fine for throwaway lynches but mostly irrelevant for analysis. Of course, if we can't pass a lynch on someone else, we do need to get rid of them sooner or later. I have decent town reads on Marv, Tofu, Geript, DP and Mocsta. But the situation suggests at least one of them as scum considering the amount of conflicting reads on each other. Unfortunately I can't tell who, if so. Okay so last time. I did something scummy according to you. What is that i done that's scummy? And how is that scummier compared to your own posts. Also what are your thoughts on my case on Koshi?
Deflecting with questions. You've started to contribute more, but you still do more deflecting than giving reads or opinions when someone actually talks directly with you. I have no problem with questions, but when you don't attach much of your own opinion, it's easy for you to pretend you had a different agenda. Especially in a filter later on. Maybe I'm over-reading you, but to me it's enough to say you lean slightly scum.
I read up on your meta case on Koshi, I'd say it does make his voting and push for VA more scummy than I had assumed. My problem is, he seemed a lot more interested in his scum game than he is now. Anything to show he's just acting like he's mostly fooling around now?
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On September 23 2013 00:37 Zaragon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:EBWOP: On September 22 2013 23:12 Zaragon wrote:On September 22 2013 21:35 Mocsta wrote:On September 22 2013 21:22 Zaragon wrote:
So.. what do you make of VE dropping his issues with Geript once I presented a counter-point? Felt like softening his play as scum. Makes sense as town as well, though, it really was the sort of discussion where you can have an emotional reaction about something you might reread later. If he hadn't been a significant part in inciting the emotional part, it would be neutral; as is, suspicious I dunno what "softening his play as scum" means. I thought it was suspicous because he dropped his read based on my counter-point so easily. What i wrote was my own insight, but certainly also far from fact. I personally was expecting him to hold his point of view, and counter, my counter-point. Unless of course I was that convincing. DP kinda suggested later that may have been the case. Perhaps this point of discussion isn't worth pursuing then. Think it was partly that, partly just him rereading the posts in the morning. After that, it makes sense as either town or scum, just with different motivations. As I said I read the motivation from his posts more scum. By "softening his play" I mean trying to go lower profile and taking less risks. On September 22 2013 21:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2013 21:39 Zaragon wrote:On September 22 2013 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2013 21:22 Zaragon wrote:On September 22 2013 20:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2013 19:36 Zaragon wrote:I don't read either Tofu or DP as scum right now. The problem with that is, they could both be, playing off each other, as it would be a good time for that. Still, I'm going to assume they're town for now since the other line of thinking is currently not useful. Especially since Tofu suspects VE, who I have had a bad feeling about all game. I don't see any other reasoning for going after DP at this point as scum, I hope DP will elaborate about why he thinks there is. Oh and from earlier: On September 22 2013 09:26 ObviousOne wrote:
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Yeah you are right. It does not mean he is scum. But it's a post that serves no purpose. It says nothing. You should be by default curious of his intentions for making the post. It helps you getting a better read on him and it helps out people getting a better read on you. Townies should care about finding scum, bad posts should be called out. I wrote exactly what I thought. That it is more likely to come from scum. Does that outright eliminate him as town? No. But since fuck-all is happening I'm trying to make something happen. So you have completely avoided answering this question. It's kind of important to note that the question wasn't important, the fact that you haven't answered it yet though is very interesting. Do you think I'm scum? It was a bedtime post. But I'm glad you made some kind of use of it, even if only Rayn comes out looking slightly scum from it, to me. Rayn, would you say that your posts have generally had more substance than the one you pointed out? If we assume that asking what someone else thinks is not substance. Yes i am saying that my posts have had way more substance than the post of yours in question here. How does me saying what i did make me scum? Also what exactly is your read on Pandain / VE and why? It doesn't make you scum, you have just thrown out a lot of questions and provided few reads apart from a bit on FT. Which gives little material for anyone to read you, which is slightly scummy at this point. On September 22 2013 20:50 Mocsta wrote:On September 22 2013 20:45 Zaragon wrote:On September 22 2013 20:01 marvellosity wrote:
Zaragon, your filter has basically nothing of substance on VE, other than "feels", and "potentially a mafia VE might play this way if both these dudes are town".
Elaborate please. That's what it boils down to. His timing and input with his posts at that time seemed very deliberate, acting as catalyst for a town vs town fight and at the same time establishing himself as being on DP's side. Even his emotional responses felt too deliberate to me; I can't define that as it's mostly gut. It's day one, so any read--for me at least--works under the assumption that someone is linked to someone who is likely either town or scum. Any suspicion I have is still weak, and I won't pretend otherwise. I missed my window to go after him with sharper phrasings. So.. what do you make of VE dropping his issues with Geript once I presented a counter-point? Felt like softening his play as scum. Makes sense as town as well, though, it really was the sort of discussion where you can have an emotional reaction about something you might reread later. If he hadn't been a significant part in inciting the emotional part, it would be neutral; as is, suspicious So in comparsion you should be really scummy then? Yet another question and no substance. I've been giving my reads and analyzing people consistently; yes, I condense my points with little detail--I type slowly and am not going to bore anyone with my medical history. Give me your read on something I have said and I will address it. I ask questions and make conclusions from them. If the questions end up in non-scum conclusion i drop the matter because there is no need to say it ends up in a town/null read. Your analysis and conclusions are all "this guy did this and then that and he could do that as scum or town both". You have ne real conclusions in your posts. I would like you to give some conclusions that actually take some stance on someone. The only thing close to this is when you called me slightly scummy, and that is bullshit. Yes, I keep in mind the possibility that someone could be town even if they do something scummy. I'm not scum so I don't know who is town besides myself. I've given reads on what is likely; if you prefer, you can read them as more definite when you interpret me. I currently have no interest in pretending someone is absolutely scum or absolutely town, I have an interest in making links, and for day 1 choosing a good, likely target that yields a decent amount of information. Currently I'd be fine with VE lynch (feels scummy and would give us significant info from the early day events). There are lots of possible backups like LoneMeow, Sentinel, Rayn, Pandain but I don't have a comfortable read on them. I don't care about the lurkers or people posting nothingness, fine for throwaway lynches but mostly irrelevant for analysis. Of course, if we can't pass a lynch on someone else, we do need to get rid of them sooner or later. I have decent town reads on Marv, Tofu, Geript, DP and Mocsta. But the situation suggests at least one of them as scum considering the amount of conflicting reads on each other. Unfortunately I can't tell who, if so. Okay so last time. I did something scummy according to you. What is that i done that's scummy? And how is that scummier compared to your own posts. Also what are your thoughts on my case on Koshi? Deflecting with questions. You've started to contribute more, but you still do more deflecting than giving reads or opinions when someone actually talks directly with you. I have no problem with questions, but when you don't attach much of your own opinion, it's easy for you to pretend you had a different agenda. Especially in a filter later on. Maybe I'm over-reading you, but to me it's enough to say you lean slightly scum. I read up on your meta case on Koshi, I'd say it does make his voting and push for VA more scummy than I had assumed. My problem is, he seemed a lot more interested in his scum game than he is now. Anything to show he's just acting like he's mostly fooling around now?
My case on Koshi is not based on meta. It's based on what he has done this game and how it does not make sense to me. There is meta to support my argument, but my argument is not based on meta. Could you elaborate more on why you think it's a meta-case, do you think Koshi's actions this game have been townie aside from meta?
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Journal, I wandered around the streets of Noire today, the town that I apparently currently reside in. There really is no system or order here, people simply shout insults freely and murder others in the street. It's a despicable state of affairs. I was lucky to only run into a few minor altercations as I mostly kept to myself. An old man who declared himself to be "Koshi" promptly called me scum and began spitting at me when I asked him for directions to where I could purchase food.
There seems to be an Australian gang that has a large hold over the town, and people regularly speak in fear of their members such as "Darthpunk" and "Mocsta." I'm pretty sure I heard a couple of kiwi sound voices in a back alleyway before I crossed the train tracks, it sounded like they were beating a man to death. I really hope my amnesia doesn't kick in if I ever hear an Australian accent again.
There was one bright spot in my day, a fair maiden who called herself "Rayn" offered me shelter and food while I collect my bearings, but warned me that I need to leave within three days and get out of this town. This is where I am currently writing from, and I've written notes everywhere to remind me why I am here.
It seems I am still far from finding my true purpose, but until then I must survive in this hell hole of a town. Good bye for now.
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On September 23 2013 00:44 VayneAuthority wrote:
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Journal, I wandered around the streets of Noire today, the town that I apparently currently reside in. There really is no system or order here, people simply shout insults freely and murder others in the street. It's a despicable state of affairs. I was lucky to only run into a few minor altercations as I mostly kept to myself. An old man who declared himself to be "Koshi" promptly called me scum and began spitting at me when I asked him for directions to where I could purchase food.
There seems to be an Australian gang that has a large hold over the town, and people regularly speak in fear of their members such as "Darthpunk" and "Mocsta." I'm pretty sure I heard a couple of kiwi sound voices in a back alleyway before I crossed the train tracks, it sounded like they were beating a man to death. I really hope my amnesia doesn't kick in if I ever hear an Australian accent again.
There was one bright spot in my day, a fair maiden who called herself "Rayn" offered me shelter and food while I collect my bearings, but warned me that I need to leave within three days and get out of this town. This is where I am currently writing from, and I've written notes everywhere to remind me why I am here.
It seems I am still far from finding my true purpose, but until then I must survive in this hell hole of a town. Good bye for now.
Okay now I want to lynch this guy.
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On September 23 2013 00:46 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 00:44 VayneAuthority wrote:
Log Two
Journal, I wandered around the streets of Noire today, the town that I apparently currently reside in. There really is no system or order here, people simply shout insults freely and murder others in the street. It's a despicable state of affairs. I was lucky to only run into a few minor altercations as I mostly kept to myself. An old man who declared himself to be "Koshi" promptly called me scum and began spitting at me when I asked him for directions to where I could purchase food.
There seems to be an Australian gang that has a large hold over the town, and people regularly speak in fear of their members such as "Darthpunk" and "Mocsta." I'm pretty sure I heard a couple of kiwi sound voices in a back alleyway before I crossed the train tracks, it sounded like they were beating a man to death. I really hope my amnesia doesn't kick in if I ever hear an Australian accent again.
There was one bright spot in my day, a fair maiden who called herself "Rayn" offered me shelter and food while I collect my bearings, but warned me that I need to leave within three days and get out of this town. This is where I am currently writing from, and I've written notes everywhere to remind me why I am here.
It seems I am still far from finding my true purpose, but until then I must survive in this hell hole of a town. Good bye for now. Okay now I want to lynch this guy.
I was thinking the exact opposite
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On September 23 2013 00:48 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 00:46 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On September 23 2013 00:44 VayneAuthority wrote:
Log Two
Journal, I wandered around the streets of Noire today, the town that I apparently currently reside in. There really is no system or order here, people simply shout insults freely and murder others in the street. It's a despicable state of affairs. I was lucky to only run into a few minor altercations as I mostly kept to myself. An old man who declared himself to be "Koshi" promptly called me scum and began spitting at me when I asked him for directions to where I could purchase food.
There seems to be an Australian gang that has a large hold over the town, and people regularly speak in fear of their members such as "Darthpunk" and "Mocsta." I'm pretty sure I heard a couple of kiwi sound voices in a back alleyway before I crossed the train tracks, it sounded like they were beating a man to death. I really hope my amnesia doesn't kick in if I ever hear an Australian accent again.
There was one bright spot in my day, a fair maiden who called herself "Rayn" offered me shelter and food while I collect my bearings, but warned me that I need to leave within three days and get out of this town. This is where I am currently writing from, and I've written notes everywhere to remind me why I am here.
It seems I am still far from finding my true purpose, but until then I must survive in this hell hole of a town. Good bye for now. Okay now I want to lynch this guy. I was thinking the exact opposite
I was thinking the exact opposite of the opposite. Vayne are you going to be useful?
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On September 23 2013 00:29 marvellosity wrote:
Koshi, could you tell me what you make of rayn's push on you? Is it warranted? Do you think town-rayn would be able to distinguish from your... lower activity let's say this game compared to normal, and distinguish town/mafia?
Rayn his case on me is ok. I am not very transparant atm. It must unsettle rayn a bit. VA vote was to shake VA out of rp, I just read his new log. Funny.
Seems like rayn thinks I am scum not based on low activity. Meh. Will be home in 2 hours, hopefully I find a better lynch. Dont know who yet.
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On September 23 2013 00:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Marv, take a gander at Zaragon's filter and tell me what you experience on the journey.
I've been following him reasonably closely already because he's a name I don't recognise. He's an interesting one, not totally sure what to think. Sometimes he meanders, sometimes he seems quite matter-of-fact in a way that mafia find quite hard to do I think. My only real read on him atm is "interesting".
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On September 23 2013 00:52 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 00:29 marvellosity wrote:
Koshi, could you tell me what you make of rayn's push on you? Is it warranted? Do you think town-rayn would be able to distinguish from your... lower activity let's say this game compared to normal, and distinguish town/mafia? Rayn his case on me is ok. I am not very transparant atm. It must unsettle rayn a bit. VA vote was to shake VA out of rp, I just read his new log. Funny. Seems like rayn thinks I am scum not based on low activity. Meh. Will be home in 2 hours, hopefully I find a better lynch. Dont know who yet.
Are you not transparent because of your lack of activity? Apparently not. Why do you think you're coming across that way?
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On September 23 2013 00:52 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 00:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Marv, take a gander at Zaragon's filter and tell me what you experience on the journey. I've been following him reasonably closely already because he's a name I don't recognise. He's an interesting one, not totally sure what to think. Sometimes he meanders, sometimes he seems quite matter-of-fact in a way that mafia find quite hard to do I think. My only real read on him atm is "interesting".
I ask because last night, he posted something, and I said 'oh, it's this guys first post' in my head. Then I realized he had been posting the entire game. It feels like blending in the entire game because I haven't even noticed the guy.
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On September 23 2013 00:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 00:52 marvellosity wrote:On September 23 2013 00:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Marv, take a gander at Zaragon's filter and tell me what you experience on the journey. I've been following him reasonably closely already because he's a name I don't recognise. He's an interesting one, not totally sure what to think. Sometimes he meanders, sometimes he seems quite matter-of-fact in a way that mafia find quite hard to do I think. My only real read on him atm is "interesting". I ask because last night, he posted something, and I said 'oh, it's this guys first post' in my head. Then I realized he had been posting the entire game. It feels like blending in the entire game because I haven't even noticed the guy.
I'd noted his first post in the game down as being 'generic' and his 2nd as being 'weird'. I liked that he seemed to be on my wavelength about that Wave post I referenced (geddit).
Lynching someone today who at least seems to be trying seems kinda unwise tbh.
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On September 23 2013 00:53 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 00:52 Koshi wrote:On September 23 2013 00:29 marvellosity wrote:
Koshi, could you tell me what you make of rayn's push on you? Is it warranted? Do you think town-rayn would be able to distinguish from your... lower activity let's say this game compared to normal, and distinguish town/mafia? Rayn his case on me is ok. I am not very transparant atm. It must unsettle rayn a bit. VA vote was to shake VA out of rp, I just read his new log. Funny. Seems like rayn thinks I am scum not based on low activity. Meh. Will be home in 2 hours, hopefully I find a better lynch. Dont know who yet. Are you not transparent because of your lack of activity? Apparently not. Why do you think you're coming across that way?
Otherwise rayn wouldnt vote me. His vote is based on it. He thinks I am going after easy targets with flawed reasoning. I think that I voted Mocsta before our little chat. But not certain. If so, that is bad for rayn his case. And VA was explained. I dont have other reads.
Maybe rayn is a little rattled after my quick jabs at him the first couple hours of the game. Dnu.
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