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On September 23 2013 00:56 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 00:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On September 23 2013 00:52 marvellosity wrote:On September 23 2013 00:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Marv, take a gander at Zaragon's filter and tell me what you experience on the journey. I've been following him reasonably closely already because he's a name I don't recognise. He's an interesting one, not totally sure what to think. Sometimes he meanders, sometimes he seems quite matter-of-fact in a way that mafia find quite hard to do I think. My only real read on him atm is "interesting". I ask because last night, he posted something, and I said 'oh, it's this guys first post' in my head. Then I realized he had been posting the entire game. It feels like blending in the entire game because I haven't even noticed the guy. I'd noted his first post in the game down as being 'generic' and his 2nd as being 'weird'. I liked that he seemed to be on my wavelength about that Wave post I referenced (geddit). Lynching someone today who at least seems to be trying seems kinda unwise tbh.
Well, that throws out a ton of potential candidates, and I mostly agree.
That means we're lynching LoneMeow, correct? I think Koshi is slightly-scummy considering his meta but I'd like to lynch a rather inactive scummy dude today.
##Vote: Lonemeow
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On September 23 2013 00:58 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 00:53 marvellosity wrote:On September 23 2013 00:52 Koshi wrote:On September 23 2013 00:29 marvellosity wrote:
Koshi, could you tell me what you make of rayn's push on you? Is it warranted? Do you think town-rayn would be able to distinguish from your... lower activity let's say this game compared to normal, and distinguish town/mafia? Rayn his case on me is ok. I am not very transparant atm. It must unsettle rayn a bit. VA vote was to shake VA out of rp, I just read his new log. Funny. Seems like rayn thinks I am scum not based on low activity. Meh. Will be home in 2 hours, hopefully I find a better lynch. Dont know who yet. Are you not transparent because of your lack of activity? Apparently not. Why do you think you're coming across that way? Otherwise rayn wouldnt vote me. His vote is based on it. He thinks I am going after easy targets with flawed reasoning. I think that I voted Mocsta before our little chat. But not certain. If so, that is bad for rayn his case. And VA was explained. I dont have other reads. Maybe rayn is a little rattled after my quick jabs at him the first couple hours of the game. Dnu.
You voted for Mocsta in the middle of your argument, at the late-parts of it.
Can you respond to the case.
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On September 23 2013 00:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 00:56 marvellosity wrote:On September 23 2013 00:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On September 23 2013 00:52 marvellosity wrote:On September 23 2013 00:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Marv, take a gander at Zaragon's filter and tell me what you experience on the journey. I've been following him reasonably closely already because he's a name I don't recognise. He's an interesting one, not totally sure what to think. Sometimes he meanders, sometimes he seems quite matter-of-fact in a way that mafia find quite hard to do I think. My only real read on him atm is "interesting". I ask because last night, he posted something, and I said 'oh, it's this guys first post' in my head. Then I realized he had been posting the entire game. It feels like blending in the entire game because I haven't even noticed the guy. I'd noted his first post in the game down as being 'generic' and his 2nd as being 'weird'. I liked that he seemed to be on my wavelength about that Wave post I referenced (geddit). Lynching someone today who at least seems to be trying seems kinda unwise tbh. Well, that throws out a ton of potential candidates, and I mostly agree. That means we're lynching LoneMeow, correct? I think Koshi is slightly-scummy considering his meta but I'd like to lynch a rather inactive scummy dude today.
##Vote: Lonemeow
I'm going out shortly but I'll be back in ~6 hours to find a good lynch.
Players that come to mind as lynchable are Risen (seriously no-one cares that he has clearly been around but not doing anything?), Pandain (suspicions on Mr.C and OO look really misplaced, otherwise poor activity), Sentinel (weird opener, coag vote, lack of engagement), LoneMeow (reasons already given).
Maybe there's more but that's the general kinda pool I'm looking at right this minute
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I'm conflicted on Pandain. I think his 'bait' ninja vote is a clever move as either alignment... but his only large post of the game is almost certainly all wrong, considering OO is probably town imo. Wrong =/= mafia, but it came so out of left field and misconstrued a ton of posts. I'm butthurt, slightly.
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On September 22 2013 23:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Last night I had the suspicion that Zaragon was mafia because most of his posts were filled with fluff and didn't come to a solid conclusion. Obvious-town ObviousOne was being a boss and pointing it out. Still, I don't think I've seen anything from him that indicates a strong stance on someone or anything that has an edge to it. His posts feel constructed to me but don't do a whole lot.
Anyone have a town game of Zaragon I can read?
It's my first game and it's day 1. I could be assertive, but it would feel stupid. As I told Rayn, feel free to interpret my posts as more definite if you like for the purpose of reading me, I'm just very aware that I'm likely to be wrong about a lot just from pieces of meta or pure game knowledge I'm missing
(If you want some context, I've watched a whole lot of ESPORTS mafia, though)
On September 23 2013 00:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 00:37 Zaragon wrote:On September 22 2013 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:EBWOP: On September 22 2013 23:12 Zaragon wrote:On September 22 2013 21:35 Mocsta wrote:On September 22 2013 21:22 Zaragon wrote:
So.. what do you make of VE dropping his issues with Geript once I presented a counter-point? Felt like softening his play as scum. Makes sense as town as well, though, it really was the sort of discussion where you can have an emotional reaction about something you might reread later. If he hadn't been a significant part in inciting the emotional part, it would be neutral; as is, suspicious I dunno what "softening his play as scum" means. I thought it was suspicous because he dropped his read based on my counter-point so easily. What i wrote was my own insight, but certainly also far from fact. I personally was expecting him to hold his point of view, and counter, my counter-point. Unless of course I was that convincing. DP kinda suggested later that may have been the case. Perhaps this point of discussion isn't worth pursuing then. Think it was partly that, partly just him rereading the posts in the morning. After that, it makes sense as either town or scum, just with different motivations. As I said I read the motivation from his posts more scum. By "softening his play" I mean trying to go lower profile and taking less risks. On September 22 2013 21:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2013 21:39 Zaragon wrote:On September 22 2013 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2013 21:22 Zaragon wrote:On September 22 2013 20:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2013 19:36 Zaragon wrote:
I don't read either Tofu or DP as scum right now. The problem with that is, they could both be, playing off each other, as it would be a good time for that. Still, I'm going to assume they're town for now since the other line of thinking is currently not useful. Especially since Tofu suspects VE, who I have had a bad feeling about all game.
I don't see any other reasoning for going after DP at this point as scum, I hope DP will elaborate about why he thinks there is.
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It was a bedtime post. But I'm glad you made some kind of use of it, even if only Rayn comes out looking slightly scum from it, to me. Rayn, would you say that your posts have generally had more substance than the one you pointed out? If we assume that asking what someone else thinks is not substance. Yes i am saying that my posts have had way more substance than the post of yours in question here. How does me saying what i did make me scum? Also what exactly is your read on Pandain / VE and why? It doesn't make you scum, you have just thrown out a lot of questions and provided few reads apart from a bit on FT. Which gives little material for anyone to read you, which is slightly scummy at this point. On September 22 2013 20:50 Mocsta wrote:On September 22 2013 20:45 Zaragon wrote:
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That's what it boils down to. His timing and input with his posts at that time seemed very deliberate, acting as catalyst for a town vs town fight and at the same time establishing himself as being on DP's side. Even his emotional responses felt too deliberate to me; I can't define that as it's mostly gut. It's day one, so any read--for me at least--works under the assumption that someone is linked to someone who is likely either town or scum. Any suspicion I have is still weak, and I won't pretend otherwise. I missed my window to go after him with sharper phrasings. So.. what do you make of VE dropping his issues with Geript once I presented a counter-point? Felt like softening his play as scum. Makes sense as town as well, though, it really was the sort of discussion where you can have an emotional reaction about something you might reread later. If he hadn't been a significant part in inciting the emotional part, it would be neutral; as is, suspicious So in comparsion you should be really scummy then? Yet another question and no substance. I've been giving my reads and analyzing people consistently; yes, I condense my points with little detail--I type slowly and am not going to bore anyone with my medical history. Give me your read on something I have said and I will address it. I ask questions and make conclusions from them. If the questions end up in non-scum conclusion i drop the matter because there is no need to say it ends up in a town/null read. Your analysis and conclusions are all "this guy did this and then that and he could do that as scum or town both". You have ne real conclusions in your posts. I would like you to give some conclusions that actually take some stance on someone. The only thing close to this is when you called me slightly scummy, and that is bullshit. Yes, I keep in mind the possibility that someone could be town even if they do something scummy. I'm not scum so I don't know who is town besides myself. I've given reads on what is likely; if you prefer, you can read them as more definite when you interpret me. I currently have no interest in pretending someone is absolutely scum or absolutely town, I have an interest in making links, and for day 1 choosing a good, likely target that yields a decent amount of information. Currently I'd be fine with VE lynch (feels scummy and would give us significant info from the early day events). There are lots of possible backups like LoneMeow, Sentinel, Rayn, Pandain but I don't have a comfortable read on them. I don't care about the lurkers or people posting nothingness, fine for throwaway lynches but mostly irrelevant for analysis. Of course, if we can't pass a lynch on someone else, we do need to get rid of them sooner or later. I have decent town reads on Marv, Tofu, Geript, DP and Mocsta. But the situation suggests at least one of them as scum considering the amount of conflicting reads on each other. Unfortunately I can't tell who, if so. Okay so last time. I did something scummy according to you. What is that i done that's scummy? And how is that scummier compared to your own posts. Also what are your thoughts on my case on Koshi? Deflecting with questions. You've started to contribute more, but you still do more deflecting than giving reads or opinions when someone actually talks directly with you. I have no problem with questions, but when you don't attach much of your own opinion, it's easy for you to pretend you had a different agenda. Especially in a filter later on. Maybe I'm over-reading you, but to me it's enough to say you lean slightly scum. I read up on your meta case on Koshi, I'd say it does make his voting and push for VA more scummy than I had assumed. My problem is, he seemed a lot more interested in his scum game than he is now. Anything to show he's just acting like he's mostly fooling around now? My case on Koshi is not based on meta. It's based on what he has done this game and how it does not make sense to me. There is meta to support my argument, but my argument is not based on meta. Could you elaborate more on why you think it's a meta-case, do you think Koshi's actions this game have been townie aside from meta?
Without meta, he read as town fooling around and I had largely dismissed him and what he did considering the size of the game and number of players. With meta knowledge, I could believe that it's an act. But I don't yet, since nothing so far says he's feigning his disinterest, to me. So I'm paying attention to him now, but don't have much actual alignment feeling on him
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On September 23 2013 01:01 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 00:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On September 23 2013 00:56 marvellosity wrote:On September 23 2013 00:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On September 23 2013 00:52 marvellosity wrote:On September 23 2013 00:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Marv, take a gander at Zaragon's filter and tell me what you experience on the journey. I've been following him reasonably closely already because he's a name I don't recognise. He's an interesting one, not totally sure what to think. Sometimes he meanders, sometimes he seems quite matter-of-fact in a way that mafia find quite hard to do I think. My only real read on him atm is "interesting". I ask because last night, he posted something, and I said 'oh, it's this guys first post' in my head. Then I realized he had been posting the entire game. It feels like blending in the entire game because I haven't even noticed the guy. I'd noted his first post in the game down as being 'generic' and his 2nd as being 'weird'. I liked that he seemed to be on my wavelength about that Wave post I referenced (geddit). Lynching someone today who at least seems to be trying seems kinda unwise tbh. Well, that throws out a ton of potential candidates, and I mostly agree. That means we're lynching LoneMeow, correct? I think Koshi is slightly-scummy considering his meta but I'd like to lynch a rather inactive scummy dude today.
##Vote: Lonemeow I'm going out shortly but I'll be back in ~6 hours to find a good lynch. Players that come to mind as lynchable are Risen (seriously no-one cares that he has clearly been around but not doing anything?), Pandain (suspicions on Mr.C and OO look really misplaced, otherwise poor activity), Sentinel (weird opener, coag vote, lack of engagement), LoneMeow (reasons already given). Maybe there's more but that's the general kinda pool I'm looking at right this minute
Oh, ninja'd.
Risen did the same thing as, admittedly 3P, in Aperture for D1. Keep him around for a while. Otherwise the other 3 seem OK for now.
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On September 23 2013 01:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 00:58 Koshi wrote:On September 23 2013 00:53 marvellosity wrote:On September 23 2013 00:52 Koshi wrote:On September 23 2013 00:29 marvellosity wrote:
Koshi, could you tell me what you make of rayn's push on you? Is it warranted? Do you think town-rayn would be able to distinguish from your... lower activity let's say this game compared to normal, and distinguish town/mafia? Rayn his case on me is ok. I am not very transparant atm. It must unsettle rayn a bit. VA vote was to shake VA out of rp, I just read his new log. Funny. Seems like rayn thinks I am scum not based on low activity. Meh. Will be home in 2 hours, hopefully I find a better lynch. Dont know who yet. Are you not transparent because of your lack of activity? Apparently not. Why do you think you're coming across that way? Otherwise rayn wouldnt vote me. His vote is based on it. He thinks I am going after easy targets with flawed reasoning. I think that I voted Mocsta before our little chat. But not certain. If so, that is bad for rayn his case. And VA was explained. I dont have other reads. Maybe rayn is a little rattled after my quick jabs at him the first couple hours of the game. Dnu. You voted for Mocsta in the middle of your argument, at the late-parts of it. Can you respond to the case.
I ll do it when I am home. But your case was pretty okish, the theory.
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It's kinda weird orientating yourself in a game where 5/30 people still haven't posted tbh.
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On September 23 2013 01:05 marvellosity wrote:
It's kinda weird orientating yourself in a game where 5/30 people still haven't posted tbh.
And 6 of 30 are mafia.
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Well, I'm assuming only 1 or 2 of the non-posters will be mafia, at most. It's just... mafia is kinda relational, so when pieces are missing, it's just odd. Anyway it doesn't matter because we make do with what we have.
Koshi feels really passive here.
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You talking yourself into a lurker lynch marvy? I could get down. Did I miss anything super important?
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marvellosity do you feel like yamato has been trying to figure out your alignment in this game?
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On September 23 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marvellosity do you feel like yamato has been trying to figure out your alignment in this game?
Not particularly. Has anyone really kinda gone after me though? Full-sized games are different to minis remember.
In any case, every time he posts I think he's town, and then my town-feelings kinda slip away again when he just goes afk.
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K, now that I'm caught up, let's make some sense of this./sort some things out.
@Chairman(pg 55): You came into the thread talking nonsense about the last hour while I. happened to be in the thread. Regarding your read on me you've failed to demonstrate a. why it must come from a scum mindset and b. what is wrong with my analysis on Kush.
It's a bit ironic that you attack me for having only one read while you're doing the same thing as well. lol
@mocsta(55): I didn't come into the thread to discredit you, I was reading on my phone and misunderstood the context. I thought it was ridiculous that you'd find Kush as town, then once you pointed out you didn't I dropped it because we were on the same page
Some analysis coming up, just wanted to address things as I caught up that were related to me
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On September 23 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marvellosity do you feel like yamato has been trying to figure out your alignment in this game?
Why should yamato try to figure out marv specifically? There are quite a few good players in this game.
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On September 23 2013 01:22 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marvellosity do you feel like yamato has been trying to figure out your alignment in this game? Why should yamato try to figure out marv specifically? There are quite a few good players in this game.
In the last mini that we all played together, yamato made a specific point of trying to figure out the alignment of Hapahauli and me on Day 1.
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On September 23 2013 01:18 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marvellosity do you feel like yamato has been trying to figure out your alignment in this game? Not particularly. Has anyone really kinda gone after me though? Full-sized games are different to minis remember. In any case, every time he posts I think he's town, and then my town-feelings kinda slip away again when he just goes afk.
What do you think of this set of posts;
On September 22 2013 22:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 22:30 yamato77 wrote:On September 22 2013 22:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you plan on reading marv this game and work from there (like you did in Desert with marv/Hapa)? Or have you done so already? Are you reading my posts? Yeah i am reading your posts. You don't seem to try to find out marv's alignment, you seem to argue with him about something, you beth tell your pov and then you move on to different things. HAve you found out anything about marv's alignment based on what you have talked with him?
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I don't think anything of them.
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On September 23 2013 01:22 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marvellosity do you feel like yamato has been trying to figure out your alignment in this game? Why should yamato try to figure out marv specifically? There are quite a few good players in this game.
CLASSIC NITPICKING LOL
lynch it with fire
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On September 23 2013 01:22 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marvellosity do you feel like yamato has been trying to figure out your alignment in this game? Why should yamato try to figure out marv specifically? There are quite a few good players in this game.
He specifically said that's how he works in games. He finds out marv/(Hapa's) alignments and lynches them or works with them. He also gave me an impression he has tried to read marv's slignment, i don't see him doing so.
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