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On September 23 2013 02:01 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 01:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 23 2013 01:29 justanothertownie wrote:On September 23 2013 01:24 kushm4sta wrote:On September 23 2013 01:22 justanothertownie wrote:On September 23 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marvellosity do you feel like yamato has been trying to figure out your alignment in this game? Why should yamato try to figure out marv specifically? There are quite a few good players in this game. CLASSIC NITPICKING LOL lynch it with fire How is that nitpicking? I am legitimally interested in the reasoning. Also I read parts of that game so I know where rayn is coming from but it was a mini and hapa/marv where definitely the most "prestigious" players in the game. This game however is much larger and there are some really good players besides marv. I get what you are trying to say. It might be the size of the game. However what's bothering me about yamato is that despite Desert mafia being a mini game he was ONLY talking about Hapa/marv on D1 (at the start of the game). In this game he gives ~5 half-arsed scumreads in his big post and then votes for a newbie despite having said "i'm terrible read newbies" earlier on in the game. He is not really trying to read the strong players, while that's how he operates usually as town. I read his filter and I must say I don't think it looks scummy. Especially his updated read post looks townie to me. The only weird thing is the vote on ray which he didn't really explain.
Why does it look townie? Is town or scum more likely to post one large post and then have zero interaction afterwards? Don't just say things. Explain why you believe them to be so.
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just woke up gonna go get some coffee and catch up on thread.
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On September 23 2013 02:02 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 02:01 justanothertownie wrote:On September 23 2013 01:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 23 2013 01:29 justanothertownie wrote:On September 23 2013 01:24 kushm4sta wrote:On September 23 2013 01:22 justanothertownie wrote:On September 23 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marvellosity do you feel like yamato has been trying to figure out your alignment in this game? Why should yamato try to figure out marv specifically? There are quite a few good players in this game. CLASSIC NITPICKING LOL lynch it with fire How is that nitpicking? I am legitimally interested in the reasoning. Also I read parts of that game so I know where rayn is coming from but it was a mini and hapa/marv where definitely the most "prestigious" players in the game. This game however is much larger and there are some really good players besides marv. I get what you are trying to say. It might be the size of the game. However what's bothering me about yamato is that despite Desert mafia being a mini game he was ONLY talking about Hapa/marv on D1 (at the start of the game). In this game he gives ~5 half-arsed scumreads in his big post and then votes for a newbie despite having said "i'm terrible read newbies" earlier on in the game. He is not really trying to read the strong players, while that's how he operates usually as town. I read his filter and I must say I don't think it looks scummy. Especially his updated read post looks townie to me. The only weird thing is the vote on ray which he didn't really explain. Why does it look townie? Is town or scum more likely to post one large post and then have zero interaction afterwards? Don't just say things. Explain why you believe them to be so.
Well you are right - there is not much interaction found afterwards. Is this a scumtell? I don't know. If he doesn't post more before the lynch it maybe is but for now I won't read to much into that. I liked the post because I can follow his reasoning. Especially about FT and VE. Also he is attacking vocal people left and right. I don't think scum would do that this way.
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On September 23 2013 02:13 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 02:02 DarthPunk wrote:On September 23 2013 02:01 justanothertownie wrote:On September 23 2013 01:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 23 2013 01:29 justanothertownie wrote:On September 23 2013 01:24 kushm4sta wrote:On September 23 2013 01:22 justanothertownie wrote:On September 23 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marvellosity do you feel like yamato has been trying to figure out your alignment in this game? Why should yamato try to figure out marv specifically? There are quite a few good players in this game. CLASSIC NITPICKING LOL lynch it with fire How is that nitpicking? I am legitimally interested in the reasoning. Also I read parts of that game so I know where rayn is coming from but it was a mini and hapa/marv where definitely the most "prestigious" players in the game. This game however is much larger and there are some really good players besides marv. I get what you are trying to say. It might be the size of the game. However what's bothering me about yamato is that despite Desert mafia being a mini game he was ONLY talking about Hapa/marv on D1 (at the start of the game). In this game he gives ~5 half-arsed scumreads in his big post and then votes for a newbie despite having said "i'm terrible read newbies" earlier on in the game. He is not really trying to read the strong players, while that's how he operates usually as town. I read his filter and I must say I don't think it looks scummy. Especially his updated read post looks townie to me. The only weird thing is the vote on ray which he didn't really explain. Why does it look townie? Is town or scum more likely to post one large post and then have zero interaction afterwards? Don't just say things. Explain why you believe them to be so. Well you are right - there is not much interaction found afterwards. Is this a scumtell? I don't know. If he doesn't post more before the lynch it maybe is but for now I won't read to much into that. I liked the post because I can follow his reasoning. Especially about FT and VE. Also he is attacking vocal people left and right. I don't think scum would do that this way.
You know how everyone says scum wouldn't attack vocal people? that is the exact reason it is perfect to do it as scum.
Further it is not that him not posting afterwards is a scum tell It is more about the way you would approach things as town.
As Town When I put in a lot of effort to write a long post that has all my reads and calls several people scum, I like to stay around afterwards so I can both read what the rest of the town is thinking and respond and clarify parts fo the case they may not understand or things they disagree with. That is my natural inclination as town.
Now think about this: Are town more likely to post one large heavily edited post and then feel like there job is done and leave the thread? or are scum?
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ok caught up. Can someone explain the VE messup I cant wrap my head around it.
also I seen someone ask about chairays play history and I know he has played around 3 games I think on another forum with me and he was scum every time and raped town alive. His play this game looks like its a bit different than those games tho but I could be wrong.
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On September 23 2013 02:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Now think about this: Are town more likely to post one large heavily edited post and then feel like there job is done and leave the thread? or are scum?
I honestly think this depends heavily on the player. Generally it might be something more scum oriented because it is a lot of contribution but can be posted very controlled and double checked so there are no inconsistencies between the single reads. But I don't think that's something townies don't do at all.
In this case it might be a good idea to wait an see if yamato continues to be active about it don't you think?
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On September 23 2013 02:23 Coagulation wrote:
ok caught up. Can someone explain the VE messup I cant wrap my head around it.
also I seen someone ask about chairays play history and I know he has played around 3 games I think on another forum with me and he was scum every time and raped town alive. His play this game looks like its a bit different than those games tho but I could be wrong.
wtf, is this true?
I did get the opposite feeling from his/Mocsta's interaction earlier (that he is not that good).
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On September 23 2013 02:26 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 02:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Now think about this: Are town more likely to post one large heavily edited post and then feel like there job is done and leave the thread? or are scum? I honestly think this depends heavily on the player. Generally it might be something more scum oriented because it is a lot of contribution but can be posted very controlled and double checked so there are no inconsistencies between the single reads. But I don't think that's something townies don't do at all. In this case it might be a good idea to wait an see if yamato continues to be active about it don't you think?
Maybe. But what I think doesn't matter to me right now. I want to know what you think. Specifically I want to know how you formulated your town read of yamato. Now. You said that you liked the post because you could follow the train of thought. Why do you think having easy to follow posts is a town trait? surely scum would prefer their posts to be as easy to follow as possible?
Or did you like the posts because you empathize with what yamato was saying?
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Of all the players so far mentioned, I think [UoN to be the most suspicious] and heavily heavily urge others to re-read him.
He is self-contradictory(not like FT who while I think is somewhat suspicious is more inherently consistant).
On September 21 2013 19:21 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Time to stop taking my crazy pills and join in the fun.
I'm not familiar with Koshi's meta, I can't really say what the hell he's doing.
Kush is making more sense than I remember him ever making, I'll keep an eye on that.
Aaaaand that's all I got at this point.
+ Show Spoiler + On September 22 2013 05:52 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Back from work as promised. Things I know: People who have not contributed - some might be lurking, others may have forgotten they signed up for this game: gumshoeChairman RayCephiroXzavierOneguZenatsuRiseniamp said he wanted to be replacement, what happened to that?Meapak_Ziphh - should really consider linking the filters in the list of signups. It's hard to bring up a bunch of filters when you have to manually type in the URL. Stutters695 - Stutters, like myself, doesn't like kush in this game. I'm actually curious as to why kush suddenly engages actively in the thread, and I agree with the fact that he's being thread police instead of being productive in the townfinding effort. What I don't like is how hard Stutters is tunneling kush. Every post in his filter at the time of this post is directed at lynching kush, or begging others to join the bandwagon, and nothing else. I would like to see what you think of other players Stutters. Coagulation - still completely fucking useless. Other than his "summary of today", which doesn't contribute anything to scumhunting and doesn't even summarize much, he has nothing. Here are his accusations: Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 02:33 Coagulation wrote:
That being said pandain and geirpt are both prettt scummy Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 04:17 Coagulation wrote:
Anyone buying marvs tryhard "taking notes" bullshit? I consider myself a bit of a marv aficionado and hes giving me bad vibes here for sure. I would like to see some good evidence for lynching either pandain or geript. The marv thing isn't really an accusation since he's kinda warming up to him and accusing him with some of the least imposing language possible. So three accusations with zero bite, plus a summary, means he might as well have been lurking. Actually it's worse because when you lurk you may have an excuse, whether legit or not. Coag's been reading and posting and still has nothing to say. ##Vote Coagulation
This is a very typical "list" analysis type which scum posts to seem like they're reading thread and on top of things, and then in reality they are not contributing. Doesn't say much and contradicts himself earlier; he says Kush is not productive while earlier he said he was.
On September 22 2013 07:31 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I can get behind a Vayne lynch for the sake of removing one useless person in this game.
Weak
On September 22 2013 10:33 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 09:59 marvellosity wrote:
How is that looking at the meta I directed you to going, Sentinel? Read it. Alright you win. ##unvote
vote: Stutters695
Don't know how to feel except like he knew he had a bad argument
On September 22 2013 23:54 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I think despite Umasi's allegations to the contrary, he's been contributing nothing of value. After LoneMeow leaves he decides that since he can't get anymore fuel, he'll unvote. And then really all he talks about is people who aren't scummy looking.
I'm switching from Stutters to him because at least with Umasi, if he does end up flipping red then his filter becomes more useful than Stutters who just pushed kush all day. Since apparently pressuring him isn't working and he's lurking harder than ever. We could vig stutters though.
I don't like yamato's big post either. He calls DP mafia, rayn scummy, and then quotes Ray's fluffpost and says HE'S THE SCUM. And he's really got nothing else to show, especially afterwards he doesn't rationalize anything. I'm leaning red on him. Umasi seems more red to me but yamato has more to show for further analysis if he flips red.
But I'll keep my vote on Umasi for now.
##Unvote
##Vote: Umasi
Otherwise, out of the filter dives I want to say something about WoS but I can't quite put my finger on it. Perhaps I'll say something about him and also Koshi when I get back.
Weak, changes again, seems like he doesn't actually know what's going on.
I'm also sorry I can't contribute more as of right now, I have too much work to do to go to in depth in analysis with contextual meta and relational play. For right now, as stand alone posts, Sentinel is the most suspicious to me.
For others sake, let them know I am currently suspicious of DP for playing more poorly than I would expect and contrary to what he says actually shitting up thread and poor reasoning; I heavily believe Yamato is town; I would rather wait on Koshi as I like him and he has a valid excuse for being away scum or not; I am suspicious of CC still and believe OO is town now. I think Vayne is playing too trolly to be actually scum and I'm wondering where VE is at the moment.
+ Show Spoiler + As an aside, I disagree with Marv and believe we should not vig at random
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As an aside, after Monday I should be more active but university/clubs are taking a toll on me.
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Part 2: Chairman Meow
First, so it's absolutely clear Kush needs to die. He's my number one choice. But if you guys don't dig it today, these are my other choices:
LoneMeow: The Mocsta/Pandain post is bad. He never explains the Mocsta bit. Considering he later says he never t called Pandain scum, it's a little ridiculous to never follow up on it.
Additionally by not ever thinking that Pandain was scum he essentially has done no work except a "pressure"(in a very loose sense ) vote. Feels too safe and like he has no interest in the lynch, just appearing helpful enough for it not to be him.
I also think there is a good chance Chairman is scum, but I'm sick so I want to lay down. I'll type him up later.
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On September 23 2013 02:31 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 02:26 justanothertownie wrote:On September 23 2013 02:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Now think about this: Are town more likely to post one large heavily edited post and then feel like there job is done and leave the thread? or are scum? I honestly think this depends heavily on the player. Generally it might be something more scum oriented because it is a lot of contribution but can be posted very controlled and double checked so there are no inconsistencies between the single reads. But I don't think that's something townies don't do at all. In this case it might be a good idea to wait an see if yamato continues to be active about it don't you think? Maybe. But what I think doesn't matter to me right now. I want to know what you think. Specifically I want to know how you formulated your town read of yamato. Now. You said that you liked the post because you could follow the train of thought. Why do you think having easy to follow posts is a town trait? surely scum would prefer their posts to be as easy to follow as possible? Or did you like the posts because you empathize with what yamato was saying?
Maybe I didn't formulate my reasoning optimally. So, by saying I could follow his reasoning I meant to say it makes sense to me. I come to similar conclusions about FT and VE for example.
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On September 23 2013 02:35 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 02:31 DarthPunk wrote:On September 23 2013 02:26 justanothertownie wrote:On September 23 2013 02:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Now think about this: Are town more likely to post one large heavily edited post and then feel like there job is done and leave the thread? or are scum? I honestly think this depends heavily on the player. Generally it might be something more scum oriented because it is a lot of contribution but can be posted very controlled and double checked so there are no inconsistencies between the single reads. But I don't think that's something townies don't do at all. In this case it might be a good idea to wait an see if yamato continues to be active about it don't you think? Maybe. But what I think doesn't matter to me right now. I want to know what you think. Specifically I want to know how you formulated your town read of yamato. Now. You said that you liked the post because you could follow the train of thought. Why do you think having easy to follow posts is a town trait? surely scum would prefer their posts to be as easy to follow as possible? Or did you like the posts because you empathize with what yamato was saying? Maybe I didn't formulate my reasoning optimally. So, by saying I could follow his reasoning I meant to say it makes sense to me. I come to similar conclusions about FT and VE for example.
OK there it is. Thanks.
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@pandain. Do you think poor play is a scum tell, a town tell or a null tell? Please give reasoning.
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So many people want to lynch the stray kitten. I ll reread the james bond game and see if I agree.
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OK i'm off to bed. Not many people about as it is. catch ya before deadline.
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On September 23 2013 02:38 Koshi wrote:
So many people want to lynch the stray kitten. I ll reread the james bond game and see if I agree.
Elaborate fully on my case on you. Then tell us who do you want to lynch. Otherwise i make sure you'll get lynched.
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On September 23 2013 02:38 DarthPunk wrote:
@pandain. Do you think poor play is a scum tell, a town tell or a null tell? Please give reasoning.
That is too complex to answer lol, I can answer short questions now but don't want to become too involved in the thread right now.
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On September 23 2013 02:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 02:38 Koshi wrote:
So many people want to lynch the stray kitten. I ll reread the james bond game and see if I agree. Elaborate fully on my case on you. Then tell us who do you want to lynch. Otherwise i make sure you'll get lynched.
I will, tsss, we should be friends rayn.
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