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On September 22 2013 23:46 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 23:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On September 22 2013 23:39 Mocsta wrote:On September 22 2013 23:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Last night I had the suspicion that Zaragon was mafia because most of his posts were filled with fluff and didn't come to a solid conclusion. Obvious-town ObviousOne was being a boss and pointing it out. Still, I don't think I've seen anything from him that indicates a strong stance on someone or anything that has an edge to it. His posts feel constructed to me but don't do a whole lot.
Anyone have a town game of Zaragon I can read? Zaragon is signed up for the latest newbie and has liek 60 posts under his name Maybe he has played on other forums?
CC, take on the yamato situation that unfolded like 2-3 pages ago. Does his absence affect that read? I'm gutreading Yamato as town. He doesn't always use the best logic in the world, but when he's town it shines fairly brightly. I don't really know what you mean by his absence affecting my read. He dropped 1 massively crafted post. Then left without waiting to see the responses or flesh things out via interaction with the thread. That in itself is scummy IMO.
i dont know what yamato is like as scum, but his play comes off to me more as "when you read my opinions you should just agree with them because they are that right"
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Keep in mind DP/Rayn, Koshi was heavily coached in GoT.
Look, hes a fuckn ballsy player thats for sure. My first game with Koshi was in sicilian, where he was the SK.
He then replaced into a newbie, and the difference in play was immediately apparent (granted thats 3P vs town.. so may not be indicative of scum).
Fact, if Koshi wants to look town and be useful, he can. Overall, the points rayn made before are quite interesting and do lean scum I feel.
Whereas the point that DP raised for townieness, is highly situation (as he admitted later when queried). I think this leads to an overall leaning scum read (not confirmed obviously).
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I think despite Umasi's allegations to the contrary, he's been contributing nothing of value. After LoneMeow leaves he decides that since he can't get anymore fuel, he'll unvote. And then really all he talks about is people who aren't scummy looking.
I'm switching from Stutters to him because at least with Umasi, if he does end up flipping red then his filter becomes more useful than Stutters who just pushed kush all day. Since apparently pressuring him isn't working and he's lurking harder than ever. We could vig stutters though.
I don't like yamato's big post either. He calls DP mafia, rayn scummy, and then quotes Ray's fluffpost and says HE'S THE SCUM. And he's really got nothing else to show, especially afterwards he doesn't rationalize anything. I'm leaning red on him. Umasi seems more red to me but yamato has more to show for further analysis if he flips red.
But I'll keep my vote on Umasi for now.
##Unvote
##Vote: Umasi
Otherwise, out of the filter dives I want to say something about WoS but I can't quite put my finger on it. Perhaps I'll say something about him and also Koshi when I get back.
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EBWOP Didn't see that DP post.
This was the last post in the thread when I started typing.
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On September 22 2013 23:49 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 23:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2013 23:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2013 23:41 DarthPunk wrote:
God damn rayn linking me 23 page koshi filter. lol sorry, it was supposed to start from p1 at every game. :D Oh, i get what you are saying. Don't read the whole filters obviously. Read the first ~2-3 pages, that's where we are at atm. Well If that is the case I feel like this game is more like his town game. In his town games he posted many one-liners. in his scum game his posts were generally a paragraph in length and he posted far fewer one liners than his town game or this game.
Look at how he interacts with people. Even in his one-liners the thoughts are clear and not wishy-washy at all.
It's easy to understand what he thinks and why, even when he does not give complete reasons for his thoughts.
It's nothing like this game. He does not follow any "game plan" in this game. His thought process is not clear and his reasons change after asked about them. If you want to have more insight of his meta, please read GoT scum QT (the first ~150 posts).
Here: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/QABVbtFWtEj
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On September 22 2013 23:51 Mattchew wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 22 2013 23:46 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 23:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On September 22 2013 23:39 Mocsta wrote:On September 22 2013 23:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Last night I had the suspicion that Zaragon was mafia because most of his posts were filled with fluff and didn't come to a solid conclusion. Obvious-town ObviousOne was being a boss and pointing it out. Still, I don't think I've seen anything from him that indicates a strong stance on someone or anything that has an edge to it. His posts feel constructed to me but don't do a whole lot.
Anyone have a town game of Zaragon I can read? Zaragon is signed up for the latest newbie and has liek 60 posts under his name Maybe he has played on other forums?
CC, take on the yamato situation that unfolded like 2-3 pages ago. Does his absence affect that read? I'm gutreading Yamato as town. He doesn't always use the best logic in the world, but when he's town it shines fairly brightly. I don't really know what you mean by his absence affecting my read. He dropped 1 massively crafted post. Then left without waiting to see the responses or flesh things out via interaction with the thread. That in itself is scummy IMO. i dont know what yamato is like as scum, but his play comes off to me more as "when you read my opinions you should just agree with them because they are that right" Yeah, but thats a relatively easy tell to produce as either alingment, especially when its your trademark.
Just like DP being a tunnel machine as a trademark  --> Just Jokes
Heres one for you. Some gave yam a town read because he "broke up the DP/Geript thing - "constructively".
Do you classify that as an alignment indicative action?
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DP can we lynch stutters? please and thank you
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On September 22 2013 23:53 Mocsta wrote:
Keep in mind DP/Rayn, Koshi was heavily coached in GoT.
Look, hes a fuckn ballsy player thats for sure. My first game with Koshi was in sicilian, where he was the SK.
He then replaced into a newbie, and the difference in play was immediately apparent (granted thats 3P vs town.. so may not be indicative of scum).
Fact, if Koshi wants to look town and be useful, he can. Overall, the points rayn made before are quite interesting and do lean scum I feel.
Whereas the point that DP raised for townieness, is highly situation (as he admitted later when queried). I think this leads to an overall leaning scum read (not confirmed obviously).
That's what i am talking about, because i coached him in GoT!
I also know what he would most likely do when he is not coached, and it's what he is doing here.
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On September 22 2013 23:57 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 23:51 Mattchew wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 22 2013 23:46 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 23:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On September 22 2013 23:39 Mocsta wrote:On September 22 2013 23:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Last night I had the suspicion that Zaragon was mafia because most of his posts were filled with fluff and didn't come to a solid conclusion. Obvious-town ObviousOne was being a boss and pointing it out. Still, I don't think I've seen anything from him that indicates a strong stance on someone or anything that has an edge to it. His posts feel constructed to me but don't do a whole lot.
Anyone have a town game of Zaragon I can read? Zaragon is signed up for the latest newbie and has liek 60 posts under his name Maybe he has played on other forums?
CC, take on the yamato situation that unfolded like 2-3 pages ago. Does his absence affect that read? I'm gutreading Yamato as town. He doesn't always use the best logic in the world, but when he's town it shines fairly brightly. I don't really know what you mean by his absence affecting my read. He dropped 1 massively crafted post. Then left without waiting to see the responses or flesh things out via interaction with the thread. That in itself is scummy IMO. i dont know what yamato is like as scum, but his play comes off to me more as "when you read my opinions you should just agree with them because they are that right" Yeah, but thats a relatively easy tell to produce as either alingment, especially when its your trademark. Just like DP being a tunnel machine as a trademark --> Just Jokes Heres one for you. Some gave yam a town read because he "broke up the DP/Geript thing - "constructively". Do you classify that as an alignment indicative action?
no those people are bad
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On September 22 2013 23:57 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 23:51 Mattchew wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 22 2013 23:46 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 23:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On September 22 2013 23:39 Mocsta wrote:On September 22 2013 23:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Last night I had the suspicion that Zaragon was mafia because most of his posts were filled with fluff and didn't come to a solid conclusion. Obvious-town ObviousOne was being a boss and pointing it out. Still, I don't think I've seen anything from him that indicates a strong stance on someone or anything that has an edge to it. His posts feel constructed to me but don't do a whole lot.
Anyone have a town game of Zaragon I can read? Zaragon is signed up for the latest newbie and has liek 60 posts under his name Maybe he has played on other forums?
CC, take on the yamato situation that unfolded like 2-3 pages ago. Does his absence affect that read? I'm gutreading Yamato as town. He doesn't always use the best logic in the world, but when he's town it shines fairly brightly. I don't really know what you mean by his absence affecting my read. He dropped 1 massively crafted post. Then left without waiting to see the responses or flesh things out via interaction with the thread. That in itself is scummy IMO. i dont know what yamato is like as scum, but his play comes off to me more as "when you read my opinions you should just agree with them because they are that right" Yeah, but thats a relatively easy tell to produce as either alingment, especially when its your trademark. Just like DP being a tunnel machine as a trademark --> Just Jokes Heres one for you. Some gave yam a town read because he "broke up the DP/Geript thing - "constructively". Do you classify that as an alignment indicative action?
I wasn't going to say anything when i firsted picked up on this in the interest of not shitting up the thread with the same old useless shit. But when pandian posted this it was clearly false. I had been trying hard for a long period of time to not engage with Geript. So when yamato originally posted that we should stop when I already had it was pretty WTF?!?! When pandain said that yamato was to thank for that I was even more WTF?!??! and realised neither were reading the thread properly.
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On September 23 2013 00:01 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 23:57 Mocsta wrote:On September 22 2013 23:51 Mattchew wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 22 2013 23:46 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 23:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On September 22 2013 23:39 Mocsta wrote:On September 22 2013 23:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Last night I had the suspicion that Zaragon was mafia because most of his posts were filled with fluff and didn't come to a solid conclusion. Obvious-town ObviousOne was being a boss and pointing it out. Still, I don't think I've seen anything from him that indicates a strong stance on someone or anything that has an edge to it. His posts feel constructed to me but don't do a whole lot.
Anyone have a town game of Zaragon I can read? Zaragon is signed up for the latest newbie and has liek 60 posts under his name Maybe he has played on other forums?
CC, take on the yamato situation that unfolded like 2-3 pages ago. Does his absence affect that read? I'm gutreading Yamato as town. He doesn't always use the best logic in the world, but when he's town it shines fairly brightly. I don't really know what you mean by his absence affecting my read. He dropped 1 massively crafted post. Then left without waiting to see the responses or flesh things out via interaction with the thread. That in itself is scummy IMO. i dont know what yamato is like as scum, but his play comes off to me more as "when you read my opinions you should just agree with them because they are that right" Yeah, but thats a relatively easy tell to produce as either alingment, especially when its your trademark. Just like DP being a tunnel machine as a trademark --> Just Jokes Heres one for you. Some gave yam a town read because he "broke up the DP/Geript thing - "constructively". Do you classify that as an alignment indicative action? I wasn't going to say anything when i firsted picked up on this in the interest of not shitting up the thread with the same old useless shit. But when pandian posted this it was clearly false. I had been trying hard for a long period of time to not engage with Geript. So when yamato originally posted that we should stop when I already had it was pretty WTF?!?! When pandain said that yamato was to thank for that I was even more WTF?!??! and realised neither were reading the thread properly.
Ohh dont you worry .i agree in full; im genuinely surprised yam got so much credit for that.. because he was essentially providing live commentary to a grand final replay !
+ when I think of ppl breaking up fights.. i always hark back to "nomination mafia" and scum VE breaking up me/oats.
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"ATCHEW"
Thoughts on pandain pls, in particular his "setup trapz" logic for the vote with no thread input.
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I'm 100% okay with lynching LoneMeow, Zaragon, Stutters (lol), maybe Coag.
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Pandains play was pretty townie, but his conclusion on me / OO being scummy was really bad. 1) I'm town 2) OO is super townread for me
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On September 23 2013 00:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I'm 100% okay with lynching LoneMeow, Zaragon, Stutters (lol), maybe Coag.
*facepalm*
OK, so you got the gut read on yam.
You clearly read his last post.
You clearly read others retorts to that last post.
*Yam isn't on the scum list above*
Walk me through where I am going wrong with my read on Yam.
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On September 23 2013 00:06 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 00:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I'm 100% okay with lynching LoneMeow, Zaragon, Stutters (lol), maybe Coag. *facepalm* OK, so you got the gut read on yam. You clearly read his last post. You clearly read others retorts to that last post. *Yam isn't on the scum list above*
Walk me through where I am going wrong with my read on Yam.
His scum meta just seems a lot different from his earlier postings. As soon as he entered the thread I was like "o hai, town yamato" Did the same thing in Aperture, and we had to shoot him fucking n1. NIGHT 1.
I didn't think his post was that scummy tbh, just bad.
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On September 22 2013 22:39 Mocsta wrote:
yam needs to join the newbie league
learn to play.
i already addressed your pittance of a "case" against me.
P.S. the chairman vote is terrible.
Stop this Mocsta. This is shit. Stop it.
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On September 23 2013 00:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 00:06 Mocsta wrote:On September 23 2013 00:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I'm 100% okay with lynching LoneMeow, Zaragon, Stutters (lol), maybe Coag. *facepalm* OK, so you got the gut read on yam. You clearly read his last post. You clearly read others retorts to that last post. *Yam isn't on the scum list above*
Walk me through where I am going wrong with my read on Yam. His scum meta just seems a lot different from his earlier postings. As soon as he entered the thread I was like "o hai, town yamato" Did the same thing in Aperture, and we had to shoot him fucking n1. NIGHT 1. I didn't think his post was that scummy tbh, just bad. I need this outlined a bit better.
I didnt realise Yam had a firm scum meta... IIRC yam had a stretch where he rolled scum like 4 games in a row.
I dont know if you have been following many games recently; but yamato been improving his scum game quite rapidly.
So yes, please detail more.
Im also keen to hear why you think his last post is bad vs scummy.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=60#1191
i mean.. do you even agree chariman ray is a suitable lynch? ESPECIALLY given that he started off by stating DP is scum; with what boils down to ZERO justification?
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TL;DR version: DP stuff is bad. Chairman is a fine lynch, why not? Mocsta is butthurt.
I don't really care about Yamato right now. Even if he is scum, he'll show me in the latter parts of the game where he veritably falls apart (see: Persona).
I'm pretty indifferent who we lynch because everyone is just a name right now, and even the scummiest people will probably flip town because that's just how it works sometimes. Just don't lynch obvious town or really active dudes.
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