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[WCS AM] Group H Challenger Season 2 2013 - Page 5
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
its gonna work just fine! | ||
The_Templar
your Country52796 Posts
On September 06 2013 08:02 The_Templar wrote: 11:00  Ryung 128 vs  Killer 117Killer moving out with mutalisks but Ryung is moving around with bio. Killer kills a solitary missile turret in the main and is harassing the main. Banelings kill lots of bio and Ryung retreats. 12:00 Ryung 126 vs Killer 123Ryung retreats but loses a medivac as well. Killer has to back off because of a supply depot wall. 13:00 Ryung 140 vs Killer 145Killer harassing with mutalisks. Ryung killing zerglings with a single widow mine. Ryung doing a drop but it is seen by an overlord. 14:00 Ryung 161 vs Killer 173Ryung does a drop but kills only 2 mutalisks. 15:00 Ryung 178 vs Killer 196Ryung getting 2/2. Ryung attempts another drop but it is shut down. Killer on 4 bases. 16:00 Ryung 196 vs Killer 200Killer moves banelings out right into a widow mine. Killer attacks with mutalisks but widow mine hits force him to move back. 17:00 Ryung 192 vs Killer 159Ryung doing counter pressure on the third base of Killer. One widow mine kills a lot of banelings and Ryung is able to push right into the third. Killer GG's! Ryung wins the series 2-0! | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52796 Posts
Poll: Recommend Ryung vs KiLLeR Game 2? ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4) ★★★- Good game (1) ★- Do not see this game no matter what (0) ★★★★- Highly recommended game (0) ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 5 total votes Your vote: Recommend Ryung vs KiLLeR Game 2? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what | ||
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Ameisenmann
Albania296 Posts
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The_Templar
your Country52796 Posts
On September 06 2013 08:04 The_Templar wrote: Poll: Recommend Ryung vs KiLLeR Game 2? ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4) ★★★- Good game (1) ★- Do not see this game no matter what (0) ★★★★- Highly recommended game (0) ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 5 total votes Your vote: Recommend Ryung vs KiLLeR Game 2? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what Poll: Recommend Ryung vs KiLLeR Game 3? ★★★- Good game (2) ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1) ★- Do not see this game no matter what (0) ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0) ★★★★- Highly recommended game (0) 3 total votes Your vote: Recommend Ryung vs KiLLeR Game 3? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what | ||
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
ZvT needs some innovating! | ||
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
On September 06 2013 08:04 Larkin wrote: Why haven't Zergs started trying to go for other builds? lingblingmuta clearly is too weak against 4M and you can't transition off it. ZvT needs some innovating! Not many other viable options have come to fruition, MC's description of the match up is pretty apt though it is zerg biased. He offs zerg on other servers sometimes. | ||
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Elite_
United States4259 Posts
On September 06 2013 08:04 Larkin wrote: Why haven't Zergs started trying to go for other builds? lingblingmuta clearly is too weak against 4M and you can't transition off it. ZvT needs some innovating! Because Swarm Host/Roach/Hydra works worse than Muta/Ling/Bane and Infestor/Ultra/Brood Lord requires a Hive and Terrans don't allow Zerg to reach Hive very easily? | ||
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
On September 06 2013 08:07 ThomasjServo wrote: Not many other viable options have come to fruition, MC's description of the match up is pretty apt though it is zerg biased. He offs zerg on other servers sometimes. I feel like people are too eager to dismiss things as "not viable" when there just hasn't been enough time dedicated to making something viable. Stephano completely innovated the way ZvP went in WoL, I don't see why someone can't do it for ZvT. | ||
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Asterion
Germany193 Posts
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The_Templar
your Country52796 Posts
Winner's Match HuK spawns in the top left. Ryung spawns in the bottom right. | ||
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Ameisenmann
Albania296 Posts
On September 06 2013 08:08 Larkin wrote: I feel like people are too eager to dismiss things as "not viable" when there just hasn't been enough time dedicated to making something viable. Stephano completely innovated the way ZvP went in WoL, I don't see why someone can't do it for ZvT. So what would you suggest to try? I really don't see a lot of different ideas. However killer didn't lose because ling bling muta is weak, honestly he just didn't play that well. Ryung was simply better. And a zerg like scarlett for example would crush him on the other hand. | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On September 06 2013 08:08 Larkin wrote: I feel like people are too eager to dismiss things as "not viable" when there just hasn't been enough time dedicated to making something viable. Stephano completely innovated the way ZvP went in WoL, I don't see why someone can't do it for ZvT. Well, let's see. Stephano tried Roach/hydra/viper for a long time, but that got beat. Slivko tried infestor/bl. That got roflstomped. Sanae/Zenio tried some swarmhost stuff, but zenio only ever got it done once and sanae never got it to work. Losira tried queen infestor ultra, got killed. Snute tried mass roach bane into later mutas. Taeja beat that. I guess all there is left to try is ling/hydra? But mass hellions beat that in WoL and that shouldn't change in HotS. Hmmmmm. | ||
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
On September 06 2013 08:08 Larkin wrote: I feel like people are too eager to dismiss things as "not viable" when there just hasn't been enough time dedicated to making something viable. Stephano completely innovated the way ZvP went in WoL, I don't see why someone can't do it for ZvT. Forgive the common turn of phrase, in general I agree with you. The factory just allows such flexibility for Terran, that figuring out a new style, while not impossible is very difficult. Adapting to the FFE, in retrospect was pretty easy considering how linear Protoss tech/compositions are. | ||
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
On September 06 2013 08:12 Ameisenmann wrote: So what would you suggest to try? I really don't see a lot of different ideas. However killer didn't lose because ling bling muta is weak, honestly he just didn't play that well. Ryung was simply better. And a zerg like scarlett for example would crush him on the other hand. I wouldn't disagree with that. And I'm Protoss, so there's not much I can suggest, really. I just feel that the matchup will continue to stagnate since what Terrans do seems to work and what Zergs think they have to do seems to lose them the game if they make a "mistake" - which isn't even really a mistake when it's the automated fire of a widow mine. | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52796 Posts
On September 06 2013 08:12 The_Templar wrote: Winner's Match HuK spawns in the top left. Ryung spawns in the bottom right. 2:00 Ryung getting a gas right after a barracks. HuK doing a gateway scout. HuK building one assimilator. 3:00 Ryung building a reaper. Ryung building a command center. HuK chronoboosting out a stalker. 4:00 Ryung harrassing HuK's zealot with the reaper. HuK expanding but loses the probe to the reaper. HuK putting on some gateway pressure which is delayed by the reaper. 5:00 Ryung taking a second gas. HuK's zealot gets into the main and gets a full scout. A reaper gets in the main but there are no units. | ||
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Asterion
Germany193 Posts
On September 06 2013 08:12 Sated wrote: HuK has so many all-ins that Mary Poppins ran out of room in her bag... + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://blogs.lt.vt.edu/oddwallaby/files/2013/02/Mary-Poppins.gif) I guess it would be more accurate to say that his opponents will just realize they have to play very safe vs him... But I would gladly be suprised, Huk making a deep run would be quite funny | ||
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
On September 06 2013 08:14 Larkin wrote: I wouldn't disagree with that. And I'm Protoss, so there's not much I can suggest, really. I just feel that the matchup will continue to stagnate since what Terrans do seems to work and what Zergs think they have to do seems to lose them the game if they make a "mistake" - which isn't even really a mistake when it's the automated fire of a widow mine. Widow mines are finnicky mother fuckers too. You'll think you're lings should have tripped it, only to have it hold the charge. | ||
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On September 06 2013 08:13 stuchiu wrote: Well, let's see. Stephano tried Roach/hydra/viper for a long time, but that got beat. Slivko tried infestor/bl. That got roflstomped. Sanae/Zenio tried some swarmhost stuff, but zenio only ever got it done once and sanae never got it to work. Losira tried queen infestor ultra, got killed. Snute tried mass roach bane into later mutas. Taeja beat that. I guess all there is left to try is ling/hydra? But mass hellions beat that in WoL and that shouldn't change in HotS. Hmmmmm. Oh wait, what about ling/bane coruptor into infestor/bl! Oh wait Suppy tried that. Hmmmmmm | ||
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