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On August 22 2013 07:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Then why did you not just say "I think your case on WoS is bad because of XYZ" in the first place instead of saying "there is a case on WoS" and then nothing?
Because I noticed there was a case, but barely read it. I admit this here:
On August 22 2013 07:05 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 06:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rainbows could you amongst others read the last pages and give me a recap on what do you think of the case on WoS (it's been talked about a lot on D1). You clearly did misread my case on D1, does this change your opinion? I'll be honest Rayn, I never fully read any of the stuff on WoS. I don't have much time, so I skimmed his filter and the cases and went 'eeeeeh, prolly town'. -snip-.
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Can we lynch WoS so you can start the sheeping as soon as possible?
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Koshi: I don't post fast.
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On August 22 2013 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can we lynch WoS so you can start the sheeping as soon as possible?
Maybe you can lynch Fuba and then you can sheep me?
The thing with WoS is, if he were scum I'm sure he'd be all over lynching my ass into hell. He votes Crazometer? Which in itself doesn't make sense because he has a huge case on you, Rayn. God dammit why do people have to make no sense, making no sense isn't always alignment indicative T.T
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Lol scumteam theories pre-flip in my head about WoS / mkfuba
On August 21 2013 14:55 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 14:49 kushm4sta wrote:
@mkfuba why would you write that wall of text (tldr btw) about your townreads...
i want to know who you think is scum and why lol and you wonder why I want you policy shot/lynched. How in any way are you ever a useful member of a town?
On August 22 2013 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 06:08 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 22 2013 06:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why do you think this Vayne?
Also speaking of alignment comparisons, reading Sn0 got me thinking about Rayn and Koshi.
I sincerely doubt that they are both scum considering Koshi has been basically playing the part of Rayn's lickspittle all game.
I really want to see what Sn0 has to say when he comes back. Not something worth revealing yet. Helps scum more than it helps town atm. @mkfuba in roulette you said you like to play a defensive game as town. Why in this game do you feel the need to be very aggressive? your play resembles basterd mini a lot more than roulette right now so I was just wondering what's going on. Is this your promised 'D2 town reveal?' About fooba dooba: I agree that his activity and posting resembles that of Basterd, but I wouldn't call his play aggressive in the slightest. What has been aggressive about it?
It's such bad play but it's so juicy and tempting.
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On August 22 2013 08:10 Rainbows wrote:
Lol scumteam theories pre-flip in my head about WoS / mkfuba
It's such bad play but it's so juicy and tempting.
Hahaha so true. I keep rereading that "omg you understand me completely mkfuba" post by WoS. But there is probably nothing :D.
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On August 22 2013 06:48 Rainbows wrote:Back. Rereading, I still feel like Rayn and Koshi are both town. WoS feels town despite all of the facerolling him and Rayn are doing. Sn0 doesn't feel like a good lynch atm, because he has me flip flopping all over the place. Gut / head say scum but heart says town -- fuck. Knowing my alignment, DP was off on his read of me, and apparently realized it himself. If Sn0 and WoS are both town as well, then scum are easily sitting back and watching potential mislynches occur. I'm pretty sure mkfuba07 is mafia. His push on me feels like scum trying to lynch me, as opposed to a wrong townie. As such, this post will contain obligatory amounts of OMGUS. You have been warned. Mkfuba forwarding a mislynchShow nested quote +On August 21 2013 14:40 mkfuba07 wrote:Because I'm getting really tired and likely won't be up for the daypost, this is pretty much all I've been thinking about today: I'm not really convinced of either WoS or rayn being scum. I answered WoS's question the way I did because he seemed to be suggesting that something big was coming, which in my mind always means some kind of reveal. I'm not sure what that could be, other than a roleclaim. Thus the theory was born. It feels like their cases against each other can be summed up as "town WoS didn't feel like answering a question" and "town rayn got annoyed that WoS didn't answer his question". I can certainly see how each case could describe the other person's actions as though they're scum, but I don't really see why the town explanation isn't simpler. As it is now, I'd probably guess both as town due to how many times I've seen this kind of townie v. townie fighting D1. And the fact that neither wagon (even though we haven't really started voting yet) picked up a whole lot of steam throughout the night kind of makes me think I'm right. I guess we'll see more when D1 actually starts. The only person I've actually had reasonably strong scum feelings for this game has been Rainbows. 1) It started when both rayn and DP claimed to have seen something that made them sure he was scum, at a time when it seemed to me as though rayn and DP were likely different alignments themselves. 2) This may have skewed my view towards him too strongly towards scum, but I think it could still be right. I looked into his filter and found this post: On August 21 2013 01:20 Rainbows wrote:On August 21 2013 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 21 2013 01:12 Rainbows wrote:
Koshi and Rayn are probably town. I think Darthpunk is being stupid by wanting to lynch the miller claim. He's at best a vig shot--unfortunately that is not indicative of Darthpunks alignment. Sn0_man likes to passively finger point at people and is probably scum. I propose you read the whole thread before commenting. All I've seen is a bunch of nonsense about survivor/miller claiming, a real claim, and a case on WoS. From the impression I get, Darthpunk seems to be driving the potential lynch on Koshi. Sn0_man seems to +1 the idea and just roll with it. DP is much more vindictive about the issue, which hopefully means he's town as well. The idea that he is 'all-in' on WoS right now seems like too obvious the contradiction for scum to make. TL;DR -- people that talk a lot, hopefully they flip town. The bolded section makes me feel like he *knows* that Koshi is green. It seems like he knows those who are pushing Koshi will look guilty in the event of his lynch. It's as though he's saying, "even though DP lynched Koshi, the push seemed genuine so he's probably town," but phrased before the fact. 2) When I first found this I felt so sure that I was right, but I later realized that he could just be really, really sure that Koshi is town, and finds it scummy that anyone would push him when that's so obvious. This made me doubt my read. 3) But on the other hand, he still suggests that Koshi is a viable vig shot (in the nested quotes above), which is at odds with a "definitely town" read. Ultimately, he seems to know more than he should and when I try to explain his post from a town perspective I find contradictions. 4)
Anyone think I'm way off? And rayn + DP: What was the evidence that you're now unsure of?+ Show Spoiler + 1) The premise for Fuba's case on me stems from the words of unconfirmed town. We now know that DP is town, and hopefully Rayn is as well. The way I see this: "Oh, hey, some town guys think Rainbows is mafia, so therefore I should push this mislynch. Rayn / DP will look bad after." Fuba does not try to find scum on his own, but rather piggyback off of other players in the thread. 2) These two sentences scream of waffling. Fuba knows I will flip town, and wants to set himself up for the "damn, really wasn't sure in the first place" sort of excuse. 3) Completely false information. He twists my words to justify his read. He says that my read on Koshi is "definitely town", like I know his alignment. In reality, I said that Koshi is "probably town" as in the miller claim. Probably. The miller claim is grounds for a vig shot at worst from town. 4) "CAN YOU PUSH THIS MISLYNCH PLEASE? I KNOW YOU GUYS WANTED TO PUSH RAINBOWS WHY AREN'T YOU GUYS DOING THAT?" Fuba also spends more of the post discussing his townreads on WoS/Rayn rather than on his suspicions of me, which I find terribly odd if he is truly town suspecting me as mafia. In addition, Fuba has done little else in the thread. Mafia love to tunnel one person into the ground at a time, piggybacking off of other's arguements as they go along. Fuba's goal so far this game has been to push my mislynch subtlety, vote, and /afk. This post is also lulzy: Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 08:05 mkfuba07 wrote:
@WoS: I assume you're implying that you breadcrumbed something about your role (which I would presume is veteran, due to the emphasis on rayn wanting a shot used on you), and you believe rayn found it and is trying to take advantage of that situation to get rid of a vig shot (if there is one), the veteran (if you are it), and your usual town play in one night. I guess you could be any blue role in this situation, but since you emphasized rayn wanting you shot (as opposed to lynched tomorrow) I guessed veteran. I probably overlooked something, but I try (with limited success) to not speculate on things I have no way of knowing.
Hot/cold?
What are your thoughts on Rainbows? Wasting time / feigning contribution. Says he doesn't speculate on things he doesn't know but does that in the entire paragraph above. What does this post do to further towns goals, how is it a town-aligned post? His filter is short and mafia. ##Vote: Mkfuba07
Ahhh, defense. I'm in my element ^^
First of all, DP mentioned you as one of his two scumreads in his last post before dying. That means he didn't "realize he was off."
Now for your numbered points:
1) Only correct in that it was them both finding what appeared to be the exact same scumread when they seemed to be mortal enemies that made me think they were likely town and on to something. If I was just going to piggyback, then why did I post this after both of them had already stated that they were unsure of their previous reasoning? And I'm reasonably sure that no one thought both rayn and DP were scum, which would mean I would be first in line for the chopping block if I actually thought you were a mislynch.
2) See my pre-game post about being wishy-washy. The fact remains that I ended my post with a "Rainbows is scum" theme, which is what I've stuck with despite everyone else apparently disappearing.
3) I'm not twisting any words. I'm making inferences based on things you have said. You say in the post I quoted that sn0 just +1's the Koshi wagon (implying, to me, that you think it's scummy), and that DP appears to be more vindictive about lynching Koshi, which you hope means he's town (I didn't notice this before, but you say "as well" here. Would you mind saying who you hope DP is town in addition to?). So, either you find Koshi to be incredibly likely town, or you actually know that he is town. Otherwise there is no reason to say these things, because you don't know the alignment of the person they're trying to lynch. Because of this, either you are scum, or you were near-certain that koshi was town. The fact that in the nested quote you suggest that he is a viable vig hit strongly contradicts a strong koshi town read, which left me with only scum Rainbows.
4) Uh, no. There's actually no way to respond to this because it's so stupid. They say you're 100% scum for reasons. They don't mention their reasons. They say they're less sure of reasons without mentioning them. THAT is flip-flopping. And in any case, I disagreed with all of the evidence that rayn eventually provided, so that kinda shreds your theory that I'm trying to get others to push you for me.
Posting my thoughts on the most prevalent topic in the thread is in no way scummy. The fact that it was included in my post about you has *absolutely* no impact whatsoever to anything I've said about you. I really have no idea why you even mentioned it other than to add something else to the list of nonsense.
You realize that nothing happened N0 other than WoS vs. rayn, right? The same thing you just a moment ago said I was suspicious for commenting on. Everything else didn't have much of an impact on me.
As for the second quote, I'll repeat that there was nothing going on in the thread, and I was bored. WoS hinted at some big reveal, and I wanted to know what it was. I answered his question, hoping he would reveal it. I was not impressed, tbh. How is it lulzy? And there's a difference between making inferences based on peoples' actual posting and speculating on implied power roles. The former is a reasonable thing to do in a game of mafia. Based on what people say, you draw conclusions. I don't know how you play mafia if you don't understand that concept. Undisclosed power roles are completely different. Since roulette I try not to think about power roles as much, because until someone actually claims one it's all wifom.
And now for my own point: I phrased things poorly in the first post you quoted, but you think my brilliant plan for this "mislynch" was to make it sound as completely obvious as possible that I was just piggybacking off of two random people? From the way you described it, what I basically said was "These two random people said something, and I agree with them because. Here's some "evidence" that I made up. Can everyone but me please lynch rainbows?" DP and rayn only led me to you, they were not the reason I found you scummy. Your own posts conflicting with themselves or implying knowledge you shouldn't have makes me find you scummy.
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On August 22 2013 00:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
yamato is being exceptionally useless this game, he isnt pushing anyone and all up in someone's grill
I could say the same for you. I've been here, at times, trying to get discussion going in a productive direction without much success. What have you done today?
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oats will you lynch yamato with me?
-useless
-asshole
-I don't see any downside
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WoS, why are you voting Crazometer when you have a case on rayn that you have never retracted from?
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FT gratz bro you are a townread now
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On August 22 2013 08:52 FirmTofu wrote:
WoS, why are you voting Crazometer when you have a case on rayn that you have never retracted from?
Only he did retract it... >_>
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On August 22 2013 08:54 kushm4sta wrote:
FT gratz bro you are a townread now
And you were doing so well reading the thread.
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So, Mkfuba, the only reason you think I'm scummy because:
1) I "know" Koshi is town somehow.
2) I want to Vig someone who I think might be town.
First of all I don't know Koshi is town or else I wouldn't mind him being vigged n0. He claimed miller. I think it's true, but I might be wrong. It's a miller claim--there's a chance it's a fakeclaim. A fakeclaim like that at a lylo situation is just calling for scum to lynch him if he's really miller, or if he's scum completely dominate us. Vigilante's keep the wild cards out. Lurkers are wild cards, miller claims are wild cards.
I find your lack of reasons and assumptions about my play bad.
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you have scumreads yet yamato?
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On August 22 2013 08:58 kushm4sta wrote:
you have scumreads yet yamato?
I'm still looking at Vayne and Koshi, and sorting through this Fuba/Rainbows thing that's developing as the next spam fest.
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wow your derision of spam wins my heart over <3
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Fuba - He scum or just bad?
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On August 22 2013 09:00 kushm4sta wrote:
wow your derision of spam wins my heart over <3
Honestly I'm just tired of people calling each other scum and arguing about it for days.
I don't know how many times I have to tell people that this is fucking pointless.
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On August 22 2013 09:02 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 09:00 kushm4sta wrote:
wow your derision of spam wins my heart over <3 Honestly I'm just tired of people calling each other scum and arguing about it for days. I don't know how many times I have to tell people that this is fucking pointless.
What do you suggest we do and how do we find mafia?
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