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On August 22 2013 06:08 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 06:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why do you think this Vayne?
Also speaking of alignment comparisons, reading Sn0 got me thinking about Rayn and Koshi.
I sincerely doubt that they are both scum considering Koshi has been basically playing the part of Rayn's lickspittle all game.
I really want to see what Sn0 has to say when he comes back. Not something worth revealing yet. Helps scum more than it helps town atm. @mkfuba in roulette you said you like to play a defensive game as town. Why in this game do you feel the need to be very aggressive? your play resembles basterd mini a lot more than roulette right now so I was just wondering what's going on.
Is this your promised 'D2 town reveal?'
About fooba dooba: I agree that his activity and posting resembles that of Basterd, but I wouldn't call his play aggressive in the slightest. What has been aggressive about it?
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Lickspittle Koshi.
It's ok as long as we catch scummies.
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What does lickspittle mean? Like i know what it means but what does WoS mean with it when he says Koshi is acting as a lickspittle for me?
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Dnu probably following your lead and saying what you say but worse :D
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Actually you say what i am about to say.. That's quite different.
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On August 22 2013 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 06:08 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 22 2013 06:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why do you think this Vayne?
Also speaking of alignment comparisons, reading Sn0 got me thinking about Rayn and Koshi.
I sincerely doubt that they are both scum considering Koshi has been basically playing the part of Rayn's lickspittle all game.
I really want to see what Sn0 has to say when he comes back. Not something worth revealing yet. Helps scum more than it helps town atm. @mkfuba in roulette you said you like to play a defensive game as town. Why in this game do you feel the need to be very aggressive? your play resembles basterd mini a lot more than roulette right now so I was just wondering what's going on. Is this your promised 'D2 town reveal?' About fooba dooba: I agree that his activity and posting resembles that of Basterd, but I wouldn't call his play aggressive in the slightest. What has been aggressive about it?
No it's not a "big play" or anything, it's just if I make it to day 2 it's very unlikely I will be lynched since that's when I start to put the pieces together. That is something different entirely that honestly only serves to aid mafia in manipulating me while town just being like "ok w/e nobody cares"
It's aggressive because he is well...being aggressive? he's actively going after people and voting extremely early. In roulette he would basically only post when somebody called him scum or something.
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On August 22 2013 06:08 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 06:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why do you think this Vayne?
Also speaking of alignment comparisons, reading Sn0 got me thinking about Rayn and Koshi.
I sincerely doubt that they are both scum considering Koshi has been basically playing the part of Rayn's lickspittle all game.
I really want to see what Sn0 has to say when he comes back. Not something worth revealing yet. Helps scum more than it helps town atm. @mkfuba in roulette you said you like to play a defensive game as town. Why in this game do you feel the need to be very aggressive? your play resembles basterd mini a lot more than roulette right now so I was just wondering what's going on.
I'm being very aggressive? o.O
I don't really know what to tell you. I guess I'm a little bored, and since rainbows is my only reasonably confident scumread I don't want him fading into the background without people telling me why they're no longer suspicious of him. N0 basically just added an extra 24 hours to D1 to me, and I don't feel like there's much to show for it. What is it that I'm doing that's so aggressive, if I may ask?
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Fuba could you answer me about what i asked you in the last page?
Also, while you're at it, could you also tell me how Rainbows is a "reasonably confident scumread" of yours as your reasoning for voting him is "feels mafia"?
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Back. Rereading, I still feel like Rayn and Koshi are both town. WoS feels town despite all of the facerolling him and Rayn are doing. Sn0 doesn't feel like a good lynch atm, because he has me flip flopping all over the place. Gut / head say scum but heart says town -- fuck. Knowing my alignment, DP was off on his read of me, and apparently realized it himself. If Sn0 and WoS are both town as well, then scum are easily sitting back and watching potential mislynches occur.
I'm pretty sure mkfuba07 is mafia. His push on me feels like scum trying to lynch me, as opposed to a wrong townie. As such, this post will contain obligatory amounts of OMGUS. You have been warned.
Mkfuba forwarding a mislynch
On August 21 2013 14:40 mkfuba07 wrote:Because I'm getting really tired and likely won't be up for the daypost, this is pretty much all I've been thinking about today: I'm not really convinced of either WoS or rayn being scum. I answered WoS's question the way I did because he seemed to be suggesting that something big was coming, which in my mind always means some kind of reveal. I'm not sure what that could be, other than a roleclaim. Thus the theory was born. It feels like their cases against each other can be summed up as "town WoS didn't feel like answering a question" and "town rayn got annoyed that WoS didn't answer his question". I can certainly see how each case could describe the other person's actions as though they're scum, but I don't really see why the town explanation isn't simpler. As it is now, I'd probably guess both as town due to how many times I've seen this kind of townie v. townie fighting D1. And the fact that neither wagon (even though we haven't really started voting yet) picked up a whole lot of steam throughout the night kind of makes me think I'm right. I guess we'll see more when D1 actually starts. The only person I've actually had reasonably strong scum feelings for this game has been Rainbows. 1) It started when both rayn and DP claimed to have seen something that made them sure he was scum, at a time when it seemed to me as though rayn and DP were likely different alignments themselves. 2) This may have skewed my view towards him too strongly towards scum, but I think it could still be right. I looked into his filter and found this post: Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 01:20 Rainbows wrote:On August 21 2013 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 21 2013 01:12 Rainbows wrote:
Koshi and Rayn are probably town. I think Darthpunk is being stupid by wanting to lynch the miller claim. He's at best a vig shot--unfortunately that is not indicative of Darthpunks alignment. Sn0_man likes to passively finger point at people and is probably scum. I propose you read the whole thread before commenting. All I've seen is a bunch of nonsense about survivor/miller claiming, a real claim, and a case on WoS. From the impression I get, Darthpunk seems to be driving the potential lynch on Koshi. Sn0_man seems to +1 the idea and just roll with it. DP is much more vindictive about the issue, which hopefully means he's town as well. The idea that he is 'all-in' on WoS right now seems like too obvious the contradiction for scum to make. TL;DR -- people that talk a lot, hopefully they flip town. The bolded section makes me feel like he *knows* that Koshi is green. It seems like he knows those who are pushing Koshi will look guilty in the event of his lynch. It's as though he's saying, "even though DP lynched Koshi, the push seemed genuine so he's probably town," but phrased before the fact. 2) When I first found this I felt so sure that I was right, but I later realized that he could just be really, really sure that Koshi is town, and finds it scummy that anyone would push him when that's so obvious. This made me doubt my read. 3) But on the other hand, he still suggests that Koshi is a viable vig shot (in the nested quotes above), which is at odds with a "definitely town" read. Ultimately, he seems to know more than he should and when I try to explain his post from a town perspective I find contradictions. 4)
Anyone think I'm way off? And rayn + DP: What was the evidence that you're now unsure of?+ Show Spoiler +
1) The premise for Fuba's case on me stems from the words of unconfirmed town. We now know that DP is town, and hopefully Rayn is as well. The way I see this: "Oh, hey, some town guys think Rainbows is mafia, so therefore I should push this mislynch. Rayn / DP will look bad after." Fuba does not try to find scum on his own, but rather piggyback off of other players in the thread.
2) These two sentences scream of waffling. Fuba knows I will flip town, and wants to set himself up for the "damn, really wasn't sure in the first place" sort of excuse.
3) Completely false information. He twists my words to justify his read. He says that my read on Koshi is "definitely town", like I know his alignment. In reality, I said that Koshi is "probably town" as in the miller claim. Probably. The miller claim is grounds for a vig shot at worst from town.
4) "CAN YOU PUSH THIS MISLYNCH PLEASE? I KNOW YOU GUYS WANTED TO PUSH RAINBOWS WHY AREN'T YOU GUYS DOING THAT?"
Fuba also spends more of the post discussing his townreads on WoS/Rayn rather than on his suspicions of me, which I find terribly odd if he is truly town suspecting me as mafia.
In addition, Fuba has done little else in the thread. Mafia love to tunnel one person into the ground at a time, piggybacking off of other's arguements as they go along. Fuba's goal so far this game has been to push my mislynch subtlety, vote, and /afk.
This post is also lulzy:
On August 21 2013 08:05 mkfuba07 wrote:
@WoS: I assume you're implying that you breadcrumbed something about your role (which I would presume is veteran, due to the emphasis on rayn wanting a shot used on you), and you believe rayn found it and is trying to take advantage of that situation to get rid of a vig shot (if there is one), the veteran (if you are it), and your usual town play in one night. I guess you could be any blue role in this situation, but since you emphasized rayn wanting you shot (as opposed to lynched tomorrow) I guessed veteran. I probably overlooked something, but I try (with limited success) to not speculate on things I have no way of knowing.
Hot/cold?
What are your thoughts on Rainbows?
Wasting time / feigning contribution. Says he doesn't speculate on things he doesn't know but does that in the entire paragraph above. What does this post do to further towns goals, how is it a town-aligned post?
His filter is short and mafia.
##Vote: Mkfuba07
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Rainbows could you amongst others read the last pages and give me a recap on what do you think of the case on WoS (it's been talked about a lot on D1). You clearly did misread my case on D1, does this change your opinion?
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On August 22 2013 06:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rainbows could you amongst others read the last pages and give me a recap on what do you think of the case on WoS (it's been talked about a lot on D1). You clearly did misread my case on D1, does this change your opinion?
I'll be honest Rayn, I never fully read any of the stuff on WoS. I don't have much time, so I skimmed his filter and the cases and went 'eeeeeh, prolly town'.
But I'll do you a great service and go over everything WoS-related.
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So yeah Rayn I'm in the middle of rereading the last few pages and I was just wondering what this is
On August 22 2013 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:mkfuba, this post and importantly these parts of it. Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 01:50 Rainbows wrote:On August 21 2013 01:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rainbows, why are you not taking a stance on the only thing there is for realz as now (WoS case)?
Why do you call out people flip-flopping around some things when you do exactly the same on important matters (like a case on WoS)? I don't really see how I'm flip flopping on a WoS case if I haven't given my opinion on it :p, You silly goose Rayn. I have a far stronger scumread on Sn0_man. Why do you consider your case the only thing that matters  . If you're fishing for my read on WoS, your case seems rather meta reliant and I want to see his stance on things and a response. Nothing jumped out at me from the reading of the thread other than your post except his 'I didn't roll shadow" post.My biggest failings as a town player is pursuing my initial day 1 reads. Last game I pinned Artanis as scum but never pushed it, resulting in a townie getting lynched over him. I want to push my reads Day 1 because typically they are very good. First bold; That's the definition of flip flopping.
Second bold; Rainbows says WoS is scummy because of what i wrote in my case. But he still does not have opinion on it? Also he falls into the category "misread rayn's case".
Speaking of which, Fuba. You do fall into the same category aswell. Why? Is it really so that DarthPunk and Koshi are the only people bright enough to be able to read what i wrote about WoS in the first place? Another thing that bothers me is this post: Show nested quote +The only person I've actually had reasonably strong scum feelings for this game has been Rainbows. It started when both rayn and DP claimed to have seen something that made them sure he was scum, at a time when it seemed to me as though rayn and DP were likely different alignments themselves. This may have skewed my view towards him too strongly towards scum, but I think it could still be right. I looked into his filter and found this post: This is what i want explained Fuba. You started getting suspicious of Rainbows when me + DP called him scum at the same time, without knowing the reason. Why? You say at that time you thought me + DP are differing alignment. How does that make sense, based only on our accusation on Rainbows, that he is mafia? You surely thought that, which one of us was bussing and why would one of us do so?
Flip flopping is going from 'omg he town' to 'omg he scum' or something. Like I did with Sn0. Not giving opinion =/= flip flopping
I never said WoS was scummy, I never gave my opinion on it. If you can find where I said 'WoS was scummy because of your case' Rayn, that'd be nice. Otherwise you're lying or misreading my posts yourself.
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On August 22 2013 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:mkfuba, this post and importantly these parts of it. Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 01:50 Rainbows wrote:On August 21 2013 01:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rainbows, why are you not taking a stance on the only thing there is for realz as now (WoS case)?
Why do you call out people flip-flopping around some things when you do exactly the same on important matters (like a case on WoS)? I don't really see how I'm flip flopping on a WoS case if I haven't given my opinion on it :p, You silly goose Rayn. I have a far stronger scumread on Sn0_man. Why do you consider your case the only thing that matters . If you're fishing for my read on WoS, your case seems rather meta reliant and I want to see his stance on things and a response. Nothing jumped out at me from the reading of the thread other than your post except his 'I didn't roll shadow" post.My biggest failings as a town player is pursuing my initial day 1 reads. Last game I pinned Artanis as scum but never pushed it, resulting in a townie getting lynched over him. I want to push my reads Day 1 because typically they are very good. First bold; That's the definition of flip flopping. Second bold; Rainbows says WoS is scummy because of what i wrote in my case. But he still does not have opinion on it? Also he falls into the category "misread rayn's case". Speaking of which, Fuba. You do fall into the same category aswell. Why? Is it really so that DarthPunk and Koshi are the only people bright enough to be able to read what i wrote about WoS in the first place? Another thing that bothers me is this post: Show nested quote +The only person I've actually had reasonably strong scum feelings for this game has been Rainbows. It started when both rayn and DP claimed to have seen something that made them sure he was scum, at a time when it seemed to me as though rayn and DP were likely different alignments themselves. This may have skewed my view towards him too strongly towards scum, but I think it could still be right. I looked into his filter and found this post: This is what i want explained Fuba. You started getting suspicious of Rainbows when me + DP called him scum at the same time, without knowing the reason. Why? You say at that time you thought me + DP are differing alignment. How does that make sense, based only on our accusation on Rainbows, that he is mafia? You surely thought that, which one of us was bussing and why would one of us do so?
I'm pretty sure I understood your case - That town WoS would have explained himself when explicitly called out on it, while scum WoS would be content to just say "I did this before as town, and I'm doing it now as town" and leave it at that. But I actually don't even see why scum WoS would decide to mention silent N0 as a means of gaining towncred or something (which your scum scenario seems to imply) when he could have likely just played like himself and not drawn attention to himself in this way. The scenario just doesn't make sense to me.
As far as that quote by me goes, I was explaining how I came to my conclusion. The answer to your first question is already explained in the quote itself. It felt to me as though you were on opposing sides up until that point, which made it strange that you both found what appeared to be the same scumslip at the same time. If you were both as sure as you seemed, then it made little sense for either of you to be scum. The most likely scenario was that two townies saw something that they strongly felt indicated scum, and posted about it at the same time.
This didn't mean that Rainbows was scum, it just meant that two townies strongly felt that he was scum. I then read through his filter and came across that post that I've already explained my reasoning behind.
As for your Rainbows evidence, how is not having an opinion on something flip-flopping? For me, flip-flopping is having one opinion, then having the opposite opinion for no explainable reason. And the second point is meh for me. Something can jump out at you without really swaying your read on someone. When Vayne pointed out kush's post, it certainly seemed strange to me, but it nevertheless had very little/no effect on my read of kush. And misreading a case doesn't mean someone's scum... I'm not sure what you're going for with that. What did Rainbows post that changed anything about the way you viewed this evidence, though?
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sno, rainbows, koshi are all lynchbait
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Fuba & Rainbows. Yeah i miused "flip flopping". I meant Rainbows talks about WoS case earlier but does not give any comment on it. He lists things that have happened in thread and then he did not comment on those happenings in any way, or told why they are dumb (if he thinks so).
Rainbows, you said this:
"If you're fishing for my read on WoS, your case seems rather meta reliant and I want to see his stance on things and a response. Nothing jumped out at me from the reading of the thread other than your post except his 'I didn't roll shadow" post."
Correct me if i am wrong but with my reading comprehension the bolded part means "these are things i find out to be scummy from WoS", no?
Fuba. Your case on Rainbows has not much in my opinion. I do not understand what you are saying in the paragraph you wrote after quoting his post. Actually Rainbow's points agains you from the very same paragraph make a hell lot more sense to me. It also does not help you you are asking other people if they think you are wrong or not. You are supposed to tell people why you are right in someone being mafia, not say things and ask if you are wrong.
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On August 22 2013 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuba & Rainbows. Yeah i miused "flip flopping". I meant Rainbows talks about WoS case earlier but does not give any comment on it. He lists things that have happened in thread and then he did not comment on those happenings in any way, or told why they are dumb (if he thinks so).
Rainbows, you said this:
"If you're fishing for my read on WoS, your case seems rather meta reliant and I want to see his stance on things and a response. Nothing jumped out at me from the reading of the thread other than your post except his 'I didn't roll shadow" post."
Correct me if i am wrong but with my reading comprehension the bolded part means "these are things i find out to be scummy from WoS", no?
Fuba. Your case on Rainbows has not much in my opinion. I do not understand what you are saying in the paragraph you wrote after quoting his post. Actually Rainbow's points agains you from the very same paragraph make a hell lot more sense to me. It also does not help you you are asking other people if they think you are wrong or not. You are supposed to tell people why you are right in someone being mafia, not say things and ask if you are wrong.
Nothing about your case jumped out at me. Only the "I didn't roll shadow" thing did which was minor and not a part of your case. Your case was hard to miss (therefore it jumped out) but I never had a scumread on WoS because of it, and was rather of the no-opinion.
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Then why did you not just say "I think your case on WoS is bad because of XYZ" in the first place instead of saying "there is a case on WoS" and then nothing?
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On August 22 2013 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuba & Rainbows. Yeah i miused "flip flopping". I meant Rainbows talks about WoS case earlier but does not give any comment on it. He lists things that have happened in thread and then he did not comment on those happenings in any way, or told why they are dumb (if he thinks so).
Rainbows, you said this:
"If you're fishing for my read on WoS, your case seems rather meta reliant and I want to see his stance on things and a response. Nothing jumped out at me from the reading of the thread other than your post except his 'I didn't roll shadow" post."
Correct me if i am wrong but with my reading comprehension the bolded part means "these are things i find out to be scummy from WoS", no?
Fuba. Your case on Rainbows has not much in my opinion. I do not understand what you are saying in the paragraph you wrote after quoting his post. Actually Rainbow's points agains you from the very same paragraph make a hell lot more sense to me. It also does not help you you are asking other people if they think you are wrong or not. You are supposed to tell people why you are right in someone being mafia, not say things and ask if you are wrong.
*shrugs*
This is the only way I felt comfortable pushing Rainbows. If anything, me being unsure of myself is a town tell. I certainly felt like I was pushing stutters more confidently in Basterd than I am pushing Rainbows this game. Though at the same time, I was knowingly bussing my own scummate in that game, so they're not really the same scenario.
Response to rainbows' case incoming~
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mkfuba07 going to need some more fast interactions from you. I am off to bed now but if you would like to speak with somebody fast and furious that would help me decide if you are a a bad boy or a good boy.
These big posts are appreciated but Rainbow just dismantled your case and put pressure back on you. I am inclined to go with him atm.
WoS still scummy in my eyes.
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@Rayn
WoS could be mafia. If you are correct, you are a God. I will forever sheep you in future games without delay. Problem is, I can see WoS doing the "CCM meta, go look at that shit im the same" thing as town too. I've brought up my town meta as town to defend myself before; so it's not concrete. I don't want to lynch him today. Either one of you or him is mafia, or both are town (if both you dudes are scum, GGNORE). If one is mafia, I will grant that it is probably WoS over you.
I'd rather not lynch WoS today--If he flips town I will Picard facepalm the thread into oblivion. Another day you might get your wish.
Today we lynch Fuba.
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