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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
I only need to catch one mafia today, and that's s&b. Seriously, if you read my post on the last page and thought 'martyr' rather than just a general expression of my thoughts and frustrations, then you're basically not reading properly, and you should be ignored. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
How can I be looking bad to you but you can't even answer a single question about who my allies are if I am scum? Because you are basically insinuating that I am scum with SnB yet you are providing no analysis or support for it, whereas I have my explained my thought process and line of reasoning. You can say it's bad but I don't see why you just have to ignore your end. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
I see a clear motive for oats to defend you, for layabout to have a different alignment check on you/meapak, for koshi to live vicariously through vivax yet actually do nothing in the thread. All you see is me "misunderstanding. Yes, that must be it. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
Good day to you sir. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
Good day to you as well. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
On July 26 2013 23:29 VayneAuthority wrote: so yea after that terribad claim oats marv koshi random lurker (kush/adam) ill have to see what adam does seems like the scumteam. They are all pushing SnB on the basis of his shot and they are starting to panic as you see, with oats making one of the worst claims I've ever seen and marv making a huge martyr post. If this isn't the correct final answer I'll be really surprised. This is the only consolidated agenda that I see in the thread. They are all pushing SnB like he's in a fucking wheelchair. I see my vote is fine where it is. If there's SK it's meapak but idk if that even exists anymore Thank you for the good laugh. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
On July 26 2013 23:31 VayneAuthority wrote: everyone that isn't on your team is looking bad to you. Where's the rest of my team if I'm scum? SnB VA Wiggles Rayn It would make sense. My conspiracy brain. It believes. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
2 lynch options today. Snb MZ who we indirectly have a red check on. @marv personally I think the lynch on you is retarded. Why is a vote for Mz a vote for you like you said. I would think the opposite. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
SnB scum. Let's lynch this guy please. Wants to lynch marv, is looking for the SK.... Please lynch him town. VA: Has been defending SnB since the beginning, putted his vote on both MZ and marv. Random bullshit through the game, searched fights with both marv and MZ. He is a big advocate to lynch in the marv/mz/oats/koshi pool. All could be town. Wiggles: 1 post this entire game. Lynch into MZ/Marv in a critical moment. I was actually lying about Rayn before. I wanted to have an IRC talk with Khyronne but he isn't replying anymore. And fuck it, I want to hear you guys. My real suspicion goes towards khyronne atm. I am going to post all logs between us. I think that this is everything between us where I want to lynch SnB and he wants to lynch in MZ/Marv Entirely in the bottom you will find the logs between khyronne and layabout. If you aren't scum khyronne, I am sorry for posting these. But I think that I need to let everybody read this. + Show Spoiler + Original Message From Korynne: No I thought SnB was scummy... we'll wait and see though. I'm worried if everyone just jumps on the SnB wagon with such a strong case for marv/mz there. Was hoping mafia would give some tell between Marv and MZ. If everyone just jumps on SnB there's no way mafia's doing that so easy when marv/mz are perfectly good lynches. There's 4/11 mafia. If SnB is wrong and we lynch him, that's 4/10 -> 4/8 tomorrow and we're fucked... There's /no way/ mafia let's SnB go that easy... Also mafia would want to kill the SK if there is one, so if they don't vote for marv/mz then it's less likely there is an SK. [/spoiler] I would like to ask kushm4sta, Oats, rayn, marv and MZ to read this carefully and give opinion on this theory. My new scumtargets can comment as well, tell me how retarded I am VA. But I really want to lynch SnB. Am I scum trying to mislynch SnB? I hope you don't think that. If so, give me reasons, pressure me, tell me why I am scum. I really am 100% town. I just got a lot of ideas. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
Here is the rest of the logs between layabout and khyronne. I had to cut them in 2. + Show Spoiler + [9:01:58 PM] Marc Quinn: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19267882 [9:02:03 PM] Marc Quinn: tell me what you think about this [9:06:05 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: hey [9:06:07 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: why you offline? xD [9:06:44 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: also when do you get your check back? [9:07:15 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: Like can you pass it on during the night before the NKs happen? [9:12:19 PM] Marc Quinn: i will tell you when i get it [9:12:35 PM] Marc Quinn: oh it's just on invisible but i only just got here [9:12:43 PM] Marc Quinn: i thought i had missed the deadline [9:13:00 PM] Marc Quinn: Now looking at chez's post i am pretty sure that mz is mafia [9:13:08 PM] Marc Quinn: also that wiggles is likely town [9:14:26 PM] Marc Quinn: also rayne is an idiot for saying i have done fishing stuff because i haven't in thread an it hints that i am blue [9:16:02 PM] Marc Quinn: what do you think? [9:16:36 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: hold ontalking toa guy at work [9:17:32 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: kk [9:17:43 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: wait did he literally call your name out? [9:17:56 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: also wtf rayn fishes way more than you do xD [9:18:11 PM] Marc Quinn: he did a list coluored me red and said i was fishing which tells ppl we are connected through pms [9:18:19 PM] Marc Quinn: fishy as in strange [9:18:30 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: where's the post (if you have it convenient) [9:18:42 PM] Marc Quinn: right below the one i just linked [9:18:44 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: kholly's graph is not complete, but it's useful [9:19:07 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: man rayn is like, center [9:19:29 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: also slight annoyance at kholly using green onhis own name [9:19:29 PM] Marc Quinn: but yeah so if you look at mz's wagon wiggles is the only person on it that we don't know is town [9:19:35 PM] Marc Quinn: (well i know i am town) [9:19:36 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: i get it's the graph he made, but still it's pretty dumb [9:19:45 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: cuz noone else is coloured based on his reads [9:20:11 PM] Marc Quinn: so if mz was town mafia needed 1-2 players at most to get him lynched [9:20:16 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: kholly moved off MZ last second onto VE [9:20:19 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: didn't he? [9:20:23 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: is that not suspect as fuck? [9:20:28 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: cuz MZ was so close to being lynched day 1 [9:20:29 PM] Marc Quinn: ye and know [9:20:38 PM] Marc Quinn: it's suspect if mz flips town [9:20:46 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: wait what? [9:20:50 PM] Marc Quinn: wait [9:20:53 PM] Marc Quinn: other way [9:20:54 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: I thought it's suspect if MZ is scum [9:20:55 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: yeah lol [9:21:03 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: like kholly's last second behavior was so suspect. [9:21:09 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: if MZ flips scum [9:21:19 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: MZ was top on the chopping block day 1 [9:21:23 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: and then he just kinda got forgotten [9:21:45 PM] Marc Quinn: the thing is if kholly is town then he doesn't know if VE and MZ are town/mafia [9:21:56 PM] Marc Quinn: but if he is scum [9:21:59 PM] Marc Quinn: and mz is town [9:22:06 PM] Marc Quinn: then he looks better on the mz wagon [9:22:16 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: iunno why he has to vote switch last minute period [9:22:22 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: that's suspect nomatter what alignment people turn out [9:22:32 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: i could see switching OFF VE last second if you just came to the thread and read his claim [9:22:35 PM] Marc Quinn: because with VE's full claim anyone on him looks terrible [9:23:00 PM] Marc Quinn: and the VE wagon had at least 2 mafia on it (sloosh yam) [9:23:10 PM] Marc Quinn: and probably snb [9:23:12 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: hmmm [9:23:16 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: you think they'd do that? [9:23:23 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: that's 3/6 mafia [9:23:29 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: just full on bandwagoning on the claim'd guy [9:23:36 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: or like [9:23:38 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: if we think oats is scum [9:23:45 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: that's 4/6lolololol [9:23:51 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: if kholly [9:23:55 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: 5/6 except Ace LOLOLIOLOL [9:24:02 PM] Marc Quinn: i would need to check but i am pretty sure those that had voted him would just afk after the claim so they look less anti-town [9:24:13 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: ya sloosh and yama afk'd [9:24:25 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: snb was like, i don't give a fuck if he claimed im voting for him (wut? o-o;  [9:24:30 PM] Marc Quinn: but the mafia being together makes a lot more sense if mz is scum [9:24:33 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: uh, * (o-o;; ) [9:25:19 PM] Marc Quinn: because we know that wagon had loads of town on it and in the case of mz being town it is a much better mislynch for mafia because they have less players on it and because of VE's claim [9:25:39 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: ya MZ is way better to lynch [9:25:49 PM] Marc Quinn: for mafia if he is town [9:25:59 PM] Marc Quinn: plus they can put pressure on his voters [9:26:01 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: sloosh and yama afk [9:26:11 PM] Marc Quinn: for another mislynch [9:26:19 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: snb saw it and then was like fuck it i vote for VE anyways [9:26:36 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: iunno why snb would do that [9:26:45 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: this whole game he's been like fuck it i do what i want [9:26:53 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: 1. fuck it vote for someone who claims a checkable role [9:26:56 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: 2. fuck it shoot ace in the face [9:27:03 PM] Marc Quinn: cus VE shouldn't be claiming like a baddie [9:27:14 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: why? [9:27:16 PM] Marc Quinn: as a sidenote i will always vote for VE when he does that [9:27:18 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: I'd claim if I was about to get lynched [9:27:21 PM] Marc Quinn: it really fucks me off [9:27:24 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: xD [9:27:29 PM] Marc Quinn: because he didn't need to claim [9:27:35 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: note to self: never claim to layabout?  [9:27:35 PM] Marc Quinn: he wasn't in the lead [9:27:43 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: wasn't he? [9:27:51 PM] Marc Quinn: and he could no longer confirm his role that day [9:27:51 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: cuz people jumped off him after he claimed [9:28:01 PM] Marc Quinn: so he is ery unlikely to get to use his role [9:28:14 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: why [9:28:23 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: i would've let him live and then use it the next day [9:28:36 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: or if mafia believes him they kill him at night to remove 1 town KP [9:28:47 PM] Marc Quinn: yes we should but he shouldn't repeatedly put us in those positions [9:28:57 PM] Marc Quinn: VE has claimed medic on day1 before as the medic [9:29:19 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: ya so it's something he does [9:29:31 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: and america is way provable compared to medic [9:30:25 PM] Marc Quinn: but when you claim for no reason you put town in an awkward position where they have no reason to beleive your claim and they don't want to kill you in case you are telling the truth but can't give you a free pass because lying to stay alive makes more sense than claiming for no reason [9:30:47 PM] Marc Quinn: yeah but once he cant use his power then he should just stay quiet [9:31:02 PM] Marc Quinn: saying that [9:31:17 PM] Marc Quinn: my problem was that he never explained his role either [9:31:33 PM] Marc Quinn: and i thought he could shoot but was not going to [9:32:12 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: enh [9:32:20 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: i mean not going into it super deep, i wouldn't have gone for VE [9:32:57 PM] Marc Quinn: i kind of got a bit ranty [9:33:04 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: you do that like... all the time. xD [9:33:15 PM] Marc Quinn: but i have played in at least 4 games where he has ruined day1 with a dumb ass claim [9:33:51 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: yeah well that doesnt make him scummy [9:35:19 PM] Marc Quinn: but when someone does something that has no benefits at all for you to do town but that is beneficial to do as mafia it's really frustrating and silly [9:35:37 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: *shrug* can't lynch stupid people to win [9:37:48 PM] Marc Quinn: Meapak_Ziphh strongandbig Oatsmaster Node Adam4167 [9:37:53 PM] Marc Quinn: scumteam ^ [9:37:56 PM] Marc Quinn: thoughts? [9:38:44 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: like i said [9:38:50 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: snb and oats would be so suspect [9:39:14 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: that's 4/6 on VE [9:39:18 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: cant be real [9:39:26 PM] Marc Quinn: however we know that slOosh is mafia and slOosh was set to be lynched [9:39:47 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: ya but [9:39:47 PM] Marc Quinn: til the MZ wagon and switch from VE and kholly [9:39:57 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: there was 3-5 or w/e towns people on MZ [9:40:14 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: that's putting all your eggs in one basket [9:40:29 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: sigh [9:40:34 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: lemme go back and see who did the unvotes [9:40:37 PM] Marc Quinn: i have been in a scumteam that did that on day 1 [9:40:43 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: lololol [9:40:45 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: did you vote with them? [9:40:55 PM] Marc Quinn: all 4 of us voted for redff after he claimed tracker and we got him lynched [9:41:17 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: lolwut [9:41:22 PM] Marc Quinn: storm mafia [9:41:25 PM] Marc Quinn: really fucked up game [9:41:54 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: ok so [9:41:55 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: let's go back [9:41:59 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: oats votes for VE, ok [9:41:59 PM] Marc Quinn: the most improtant thing i learned from that game [9:42:08 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: rayne 1 for sloosh [9:42:16 PM] Marc Quinn: is that if RoL is ever on your team as scum bus the shit out of him [9:42:25 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: vayne 2nd for sloosh [9:42:35 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: bro, i bussed his ass in a mini and won, it's cool [9:42:43 PM] Marc Quinn: see!!! [9:42:55 PM] Marc Quinn: LOL [9:43:26 PM] Marc Quinn: but i can't see there being any mafia on slOosh [9:43:39 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: gumshoe goes for VE [9:43:42 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: kush votes for sloosh [9:43:49 PM] Marc Quinn: all it would have taken was one of those guys to unvote then switch back and VE would have been set to be lynched [9:43:52 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: quite a few other guys were voted on [9:44:03 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: wiggles started on MZ vote [9:44:07 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: VE votes sloosh [9:44:20 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: sloosh and yama come in 30min apart and vote for VE [9:44:23 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: FT goes for VE [9:44:27 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: vivas goes for sloosh [9:44:31 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: squiches to ace [9:44:40 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: back to sloosh xD [9:44:48 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: gumshoe's on snb [9:44:57 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: ace, snb, you go on VE [9:45:16 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: VE had 7, sloosh had 5 [9:45:18 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: at this point we had [9:45:32 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: Oatsmaster slOosh yamato77 Ace strongandbig layabout kholly [9:45:40 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: raynpelikoneet VayneAuthority HiroPro kushm4sta VisceraEyes [9:45:41 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: for sloosh [9:45:51 PM] Marc Quinn: then FT goes on slOosh and i go on mz [9:45:53 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: FT goes for sloosh [9:46:01 PM] Marc Quinn: so slOosh hit 6 votes before VE does [9:46:02 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: you go for mz from VE [9:46:16 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: no [9:46:20 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: VE hit 7 [9:46:23 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: when sloosh had 5 [9:46:29 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: at some point [9:46:35 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: and that was the snapshot at that point [9:46:41 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: and MZ was like, nowhere near the lead [9:46:42 PM] Marc Quinn: but sOosh 6 VE 7 ->slosh 6 VE 6 [9:46:42 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: at that point [9:47:03 PM] Marc Quinn: leaves sloosh lynched because it's based on who reaches the number first [9:47:15 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: what? [9:47:32 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: reached first from above, not below... [9:47:35 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: ok that's too confusing [9:47:52 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: im done with this vote analysis xD [9:48:00 PM] Marc Quinn: but you miss the best bit [9:48:04 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: ? [9:48:22 PM] Marc Quinn: when gumshoe vote mz [9:48:34 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: sigh do i have to go back and do this ;( [9:48:48 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: So MZ had 1 [9:48:51 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: at the 7 6 1 [9:49:01 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: FT goes on sloosh, you go on MZ [9:49:05 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: malongo goes on MZ [9:49:09 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: kholly goes on MZ [9:49:13 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: gumshoe goes on MZ [9:49:35 PM] Marc Quinn: sloosh is on 6 mz is on 5 and ve is on 5 sloosh to die [9:50:06 PM] Marc Quinn: kholly switches so sloosh 6 VE 6 mz 4 sloosh dying [9:50:21 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: we get 6, 5, 5? [9:50:39 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: no 6 on VE [9:50:41 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: from 7 [9:50:44 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: wait you [9:50:45 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: i didnt count you [9:50:56 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: 5, 5, 5? [9:50:59 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: ugh this is so annoying [9:51:02 PM] Marc Quinn: then ve switches to mz and sloosh goes to 5 ve stays on 6 and mz goes to 5 [9:51:07 PM] Marc Quinn: and VE killed himself [9:51:14 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: lemme try again [9:51:26 PM] Marc Quinn: i have it right [9:51:28 PM] Marc Quinn: i think [9:51:32 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: T__T [9:51:33 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: why are we doing this [9:51:35 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: my brain hurts [9:51:48 PM] Marc Quinn: hmmm [9:52:01 PM] Marc Quinn: to understand how scum might have switched [9:52:04 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: FINE [9:52:06 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: ok [9:52:08 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: dont type for a sec [9:52:10 PM] Marc Quinn: but i cant remmeber why we started [9:52:27 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: RIGHT NOW VisceraEyes - 7 Oatsmaster slOosh yamato77 Ace strongandbig layabout kholly [9:52:36 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: RIGHT NOW Sloosh - 5 raynpelikoneet VayneAuthority HiroPro kushm4sta VisceraEyes [9:52:40 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: Meapak_ziphh - 1 Mr. Wiggles [9:52:42 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: CHANGES: [9:52:59 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: FT -> sloosh, FT not on that list, so +1 SLOOSH [9:53:13 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: layabout VE -> MZ, -1 VE, +1 MZ [9:53:26 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: Malongo -> MZ, not on that list, so +1 MZ [9:53:38 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: kholly : -1 VE, +1 MZ [9:53:47 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: gumshoe +1 MZ [9:53:58 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: so before kholly and VE at the last second [9:54:01 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: we have [9:54:19 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: VE 5, SLOOSH 6, MZ 5 [9:54:35 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: kholly does something nonsensical [9:54:46 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: and VE was switching from sloosh to MZ, which makes perfect sense [9:54:59 PM] Marc Quinn: but kholly doesn't kill VE [9:55:10 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: so the thing is [9:55:15 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: kholly, 3 min before lynch [9:55:17 PM] Marc Quinn: and VE's switch got him killed instead of sloosh [9:55:19 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: did something COMPLETELY USELESS TECHNICALLY [9:55:32 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: he thought he was switching from 5, 6, 5 to 6, 6, 4 [9:55:36 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: and like you said, sloosh got there first [9:55:44 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: so kholly would be doing something absolutely useless [9:56:01 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: and the VE thought he was going 5 6 5 to 5 5 6, and he prefered MZ over sloosh, whatever. [9:56:09 PM] Marc Quinn: so what i am saying [9:56:28 PM] Marc Quinn: 1 no mafia on sloosh wagon [9:56:37 PM] Marc Quinn: 2 no mafia on mz wagon [9:57:18 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: why? [9:57:21 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: mz wagon was good at the end [9:57:42 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: wiggles was super early though [9:57:44 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: so prob not wiggles [9:57:52 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: wiggles voted for MZ when noone else did [9:57:54 PM] Marc Quinn: because we can say that mafia did not cause VE to get lynched [9:57:56 PM] Marc Quinn: VE did [9:58:07 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: wtf was kholly doing [9:58:09 PM] Marc Quinn: but mafia could very easily have gotten MZ lynched [9:58:18 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: sow hy didnt they [9:58:25 PM] Marc Quinn: ignore kholly for now [9:58:34 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: kk [9:59:15 PM] Marc Quinn: but mafia did not get mz lynched even though if mz is town he is a safer mislynch for them to be on [9:59:32 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: mz is scum> [9:59:36 PM] Marc Quinn: yes [9:59:46 PM] Marc Quinn: which also fits with other things: [10:00:03 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: who were your suspects? (sorry scrolling is hard )[10:00:14 PM] Marc Quinn: all the logs involving marv are genuine if mz is scum but faked if mz is town [10:00:35 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: also did you ask about whether scum/sk is same alignment in cop check?? [10:00:41 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: cuz im mad at you if you didnt [10:00:41 PM] Marc Quinn: mz snb adam and oatsmaster [10:00:55 PM] Marc Quinn: no answer yet but i dont think there is an sk [10:01:02 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: ok but you did ask r ight? [10:01:08 PM] Marc Quinn: in addition look at mz's posts on day1 [10:01:14 PM] Marc Quinn: i asked [10:01:15 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: cuz we dont want to like, lynch mz, see he's scum, and then let marv off the hook [10:01:18 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: cuz marv looks weird too [10:01:25 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: also i dont like mz's defence [10:01:29 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: rayn liked it [10:01:39 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: he thinks the "fine just lynch us both" is a proper response [10:01:45 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: MZ never questions the cop, ever. [10:01:50 PM] Marc Quinn: marv is weird but he replaced and was in pm's, [10:01:54 PM] Marc Quinn: hapa was a bit odd [10:01:59 PM] Marc Quinn: but never the less [10:02:01 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: Because I don't think there is an sk in the game. Or maybe he is. Either way I'm town so he can die. [10:02:04 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: ^ that's MZ [10:02:07 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: wtf attitude is that [10:02:14 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: he claims town so Marv can go die [10:02:15 PM] Marc Quinn: mz doesn't like the wagons on VE or sloosh [10:02:24 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: ? [10:03:02 PM] Marc Quinn: oh that attitude makes sense in that both of them should wna tthe other lynched [10:03:07 PM] Marc Quinn: want* [10:03:14 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: why? [10:03:19 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: why dont they question cop?? [10:03:25 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: they dont even know who claimed cop [10:03:27 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: and they dont question that at all [10:03:36 PM] Marc Quinn: because a check say you have different teams [10:03:45 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: BUT THE CHECK COULD BE FAKED [10:03:50 PM] Marc Quinn: but you are right ( and i was going to get on to this) [10:04:15 PM] Marc Quinn: that mafia know the check is genuine and are more likely to go along with it immediately [10:04:22 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: They pay zero attention to cop check, even though they dont know at all whether it came from someone scummy or not (hell it could've come from SnB iunno) [10:04:32 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: So that's scummy to me [10:04:42 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: marv is like LOOK AT ME IM TOWN LOOK AT THIS AWESOME CHAT LOG [10:04:48 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: and MZ is like, lol lynch that bitch [10:04:55 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: lynch me too if you want, but seriously lynch that bitch marv [10:05:16 PM] Marc Quinn: but marv has done some things that are townlike whilst mz has sat on his ass [10:05:38 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: i mean marv could be SK and mz scum, but we dont know yet = [10:05:40 PM] Marc Quinn: it would be weird for marv to fake those logs [10:05:48 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: if marv is sk [10:05:51 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: none of the logs are faked [10:06:18 PM] Marc Quinn: i have already said why i dont like sk [10:06:29 PM] Marc Quinn: but it would mean that town need to lynch 8 ppl [10:06:56 PM] Marc Quinn: but would still lose with 4 (it's normally balanced aound 4) mislynches [10:07:03 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: no but [10:07:08 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: we dont have to worry about marv right now [10:07:18 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: im just saying, we can't clear him if MZ turns out scum [10:07:23 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: until you get an answer back [10:07:25 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: so whatever [10:07:28 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: no point talking about it [10:07:31 PM] Marc Quinn: +it would mean a 6 man scumteam with basically 1 kp [10:07:32 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: until you get an answer back from RoL [10:07:43 PM] Marc Quinn: but look at mz on day1 [10:07:54 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: no it's fine [10:07:58 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: i agree MZ looks scummy [10:07:59 PM] Marc Quinn: he doesn't want to join either of the lynches [10:08:01 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: im saying dont rule out marv yet [10:08:33 PM] Marc Quinn: hey i am willing to leave "not mafia" alone til we have real evidence [10:08:42 PM] Marc Quinn: as for the rest [10:08:55 PM] Marc Quinn: oats is probably the leak [10:09:08 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: why would rayn tell him though... [10:09:16 PM] Marc Quinn: because rayn is rayn [10:09:19 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: lololol [10:09:22 PM] Marc Quinn: rayn does things [10:09:22 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: rayn claims to not trust oats... [10:09:25 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: and then i dont even [10:09:34 PM] Marc Quinn: i think he stopped trusting him [10:09:48 PM] Marc Quinn: after oats went quiet after rayne shared info [10:09:51 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: well first he said [10:09:58 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: im framing oats i wanna see how people react [10:10:02 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: to bait mafia [10:10:08 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: and then now he claims to not trust oats [10:10:08 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: lol [10:10:12 PM] Marc Quinn: +slOosh-marv suggests there was a leak [10:10:28 PM] Marc Quinn: then we have you me town [10:10:30 PM] Marc Quinn: rayn town [10:10:54 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: iunno man [10:10:57 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: iunno about rayn [10:11:02 PM] Marc Quinn: from voting wiggles vayn and kushm4startown [10:11:26 PM] Marc Quinn: we can talk about rayn if you like but him being town makes way more sense than all the bs involved in him being scum [10:11:38 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: yeah i know >_< [10:11:40 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: that's the problem i have [10:11:43 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: there's so much shit around rayn [10:11:48 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: but he keeps looking scummy to me ;_; [10:11:49 PM] Marc Quinn: +he has pardon and there was a bodyguard which was prolly linked to him [10:12:08 PM] Marc Quinn: hang on [10:12:19 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: if rayn is mafia he can claim pardoner to protect himself from lynches [10:12:31 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: also sloosh got pardoned [10:12:33 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: sooo, wat [10:12:38 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: who the hell would pardon sloosh [10:12:47 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: what are the chances there's 2 pardoners [10:12:50 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: in a 24 man game [10:13:28 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: also [10:13:32 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: rayn didnt say directly in the thread [10:13:35 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: he didnt pardon sloosh [10:13:37 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: he told me in PM [10:13:44 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: in thread he just made vague gestures [10:14:13 PM] Marc Quinn: it's sort of implied that he wouldn't say he used it either way [10:14:20 PM] Marc Quinn: because then we would lynch him [10:14:20 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: filter On July 21 2013 13:06 Oatsmaster wrote: Well. Rayn wtf was that? Well. Oats are you dumb? If there are vigis alive you know what to do. [10:14:26 PM] Marc Quinn: so he doesn't need to say it [10:14:34 PM] Marc Quinn: sort of like how no one claims town [10:14:44 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: "Ofc i do. Why the fuck would i pardon a guy whose lynch i have pushed for two days straight? And as i said im not gonna use the power." [10:14:56 PM] Marc Quinn: because by playing we are all claiming to be town [10:14:57 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: Are there really 2 pardoners? [10:15:16 PM] Marc Quinn: maybe i reckon it's a sort of copycat [10:15:22 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: Like I said day1 (or day 2, whenever I subbed in), claiming pardoner is pretty good [10:15:31 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: copycat sounds even more crazy [10:15:40 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: why not copy someone with KP [10:15:43 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: like ace or FT [10:15:53 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: * VE [10:15:56 PM] Marc Quinn: ft was jailkeeper [10:15:57 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: ^ [10:16:02 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: ace or VE [10:16:18 PM] Marc Quinn: well ace and ve were dead and rayne was alive so maybe thats how it works [10:16:18 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: or SnB [10:16:31 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: SnB shot someone [10:16:37 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: why not get the shoot someone in thef ace power [10:16:45 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: instead of pardoning scum that's going to get lynched anyway [10:16:51 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: also it's a normal game [10:16:56 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: chances of copycat seems pretty low [10:17:22 PM] Marc Quinn: pardoning is great because it kills the thread give you another night cylce and all the other stuff [10:17:27 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: o-o;; [10:17:29 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: Uhm. [10:17:35 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884¤tpage=57#1124 [10:17:56 PM] Marc Quinn: shit [10:18:01 PM] Marc Quinn: well you have my reads [10:18:06 PM] Marc Quinn: and my logs [10:18:06 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: shut up you're dead [/spoiler] AND SOME MORE SHIT THAT I CUT OUT PREVIOUS POST AND NOW IT IS ALL BAD FORMATTED. This is the last message khyronne sent me. Trying to lure me away from SnB. Original Message From Korynne: Dude, I'm really not liking this wagon on SnB. Reason is because MYLO, there's no way this many people just jump on the SnB bus. If there is no SK, mafia wins after tonight. You think they'd all just jump on an SnB wagon when Marv/MZ are perfectly reasonable targets? Last time there was so much consensus on Sloosh was because there was a pardon and pardoners have to pick an action before the deadline. So it makes sense for everyone to pile on Sloosh because it makes the pardon guaranteed. If it was like Day 1, someone might want to pardon Sloosh/MZ/VE and accidentally the wrong one (see kholly/VE last minute). I'm worried Koshiiiiii. D: | ||
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kushm4sta
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
Hey, hopefully I'm wrong and you guys are just bussing him because thats what it seems like after your posts. Know something we don't? | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
Koshi if you are truly town, please explain why I was on sloosh day 1 and Oats was on VE, I'd love to hear that one. Your conspiracy is wrong plain and simple. Maybe I'm wrong about you, but if you are town you are helping scum win at this point, period. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
As for VA, I was mainly just frustrated earlier. I don't *think* he's actually mafia, just infuriating to me. Being wrong isn't necessarily a scumtell or I'd have to be offering myself up to die. A lot of VA's filter is petulant anger (yes i know, shh) which I figure he'd do as town rather than as mafia; in the game I saw of him playing mafia he was much more careful not to ruffle feathers. | ||
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Korynne
Canada990 Posts
So, let's just assume SnB is scum, for argument's sake. We have 3 scenarios. A) Marv/MZ are both innocent B) Marv/MZ one is scum C) Marv/MZ one is SK A) Obviously lynch SnB, deal with marv/mz tomorrow. If there's 2 KP at night we're at 3/8 tomorrow, if 1 KP probably no SK (good info to have) and 3/9 tomorrow we're better off. B) Lynch SnB, deal with Marv/MZ tomorrow (if Oats is actually cop, then we can have a better guess at it). Same numbers as A, we're either at 3/8 or 3/9 tomorrow. C) If we lynch SnB we're at 3/8 tomorrow BUT there is an SK so it's 1 SK, 3 mafia and 4 towns. If we lynch the SK correctly we're at 4/10, 4/9 -> 4/9 tomorrow but we get SnB, so that's 3/8->3/7->hopefully figure shit out it's basically LYLO. If we lynch the SK incorrectly it's 4/10, 4/8 tomorrow GG. If we lynch SnB we're at 3/10 -> 3/8 tomorrow If for some freak reason SnB isn't mafia, then 4/10 -> 4/8 GG unless SK kills mafia at night which is then 3/8 tomorrow but again, it's 1 SK, 3 mafia, 4 towns. Does anyone know what the deal is when there's 1 SK, 3 mafia and 4 towns? Because if we're safe in that situation, then SnB makes a better lynch. My concern was that I thought we autolose if there's an SK but if 1 SK, 3 mafia and 4 town is still okay then lynching SnB makes way more sense. | ||
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Korynne
Canada990 Posts
On July 27 2013 04:16 marvellosity wrote: Honestly the only thing I remember of Korynne is him tunnelling rayn really weirdly. Since then I put him down as an earnest newbie town and haven't paid attention to his posts so much. Not sure what tunneling specifically meant. But I subbed in D2 and Rayn was weird to me, so I explored that whole thing. I'm not sure how I feel about Rayn even to this day. T___T | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
The scumteam is approx: SnB VA Wiggles Kyronne Their goal today is to let us lynch into Marv/MZ. There are 2 possible reasons why: 1) We lynch wrong and they kill 2 tonight and they win the game. 2) They believe there is a SK between those 2 and want town to lynch him. (Read logs between me and Korynne) If you look at them all separately: SnB: scum vigi. We all read his defense, he was trying to lynch marv or the SK. (teamtactic) VA: Been an annoyance the entire game. Tried to save SnB which isn't scummy in theory, especially with all the other crap he has been posting, but this guy also has been trying to get MZ, marv lynched. Lately he is also pleased to lynch Oats/Koshi. Wiggles: afk. Made a post right before night that something BIG was going to happen. Made a post after the night that we need to lynch into Marv/MZ (teamtactic) Korynne: Traitor that had layabout killed. Made multiple post in this thread to lynch in to Marv/MZ (You see the pattern?...) tried to persuade me to look at rayn as the traitor, tried to persuade me to save SnB. The logs below are quite scummy on moments as well. Here are logs between me and Korynne. <DISCLAIMER: I am being a jack-ass somewhere in the middle> + Show Spoiler + [20:04] <Korynne> bro [20:04] <Korynne> why you so crazy [20:04] <Korynne> How is it not Marv/MZ? [20:04] <Korynne> That's insane man/ [20:04] <Korynne> Layabout flipped. [20:05] <@Koshi> Oh hi [20:05] <@Koshi> I just made an insane long post why you are scum [20:05] <@Koshi> D: [20:05] <Korynne> lol wtf broski [20:05] <Korynne> *reads* [20:06] <Korynne> broski [20:06] <Korynne> Do you not get what I'm saying with SnB? [20:06] <Korynne> I play mechanical more than behaviour. [20:06] <Korynne> Mechanically, there's like a 90% chance of MZ/Marv being mafia/SK. [20:06] <@Koshi> I am just trowing this shit out htere [20:06] <@Koshi> Who knows. [20:06] <Korynne> You still wanna talk or you good with accusing me instead? [20:07] <@Koshi> Nope [20:07] <@Koshi> I will talk [20:07] <@Koshi> And post these logs as well :D [20:07] <Korynne> whadaya wanna talk about :3 [20:07] <Korynne> oh em gee [20:07] <Korynne> better make sure i dont give off any scum tells [20:07] <@Koshi> My new theory [20:07] <@Koshi> Why is it so crazy? [20:07] <@Koshi> It actually makes perfect sense [20:07] <@Koshi> IF you 4 would be scum [20:07] <@Koshi> It's perfect scumplay [20:08] <@Koshi> I am just THE KOSHI [20:08] <@Koshi> Should have shot the KOSHI [20:08] <@Koshi> THE KOSHI* [20:09] <Korynne> lol [20:09] <Korynne> who 4? [20:10] <@Koshi> SnB Vayne Wiggles Khyronne [20:10] <@Koshi> Got to read man D: [20:10] <Korynne> no cuz [20:10] <Korynne> before you said 4 [20:10] <Korynne> without me [20:10] <Korynne> so li3k [20:10] <Korynne> Also why you keep butchering my name [20:10] <Korynne> in the most obnoxious not even close fashion [20:12] <@Koshi> Yeah I am bad with names [20:12] <@Koshi> Sorry [20:12] <@Koshi> Korynne [20:12] <Korynne> [20:12] <Korynne> Anyways [20:12] <@Koshi> rayn looks actually really town to me. [20:12] <@Koshi> But you. [20:12] <Korynne> I don't get the conspiracy theory [20:13] <@Koshi> Its not a conspiracy theory [20:13] <@Koshi> It's fits perfectly [20:13] <@Koshi> it* [20:13] <@Koshi> You guys want to lynch wrong in the MZ/marv [20:13] <@Koshi> It's perfect because both are town. [20:13] <Korynne> How do you explain layabout? [20:13] <@Koshi> Framer [20:13] <Korynne> Bro [20:14] <@Koshi> Miller [20:14] <Korynne> if mafia managed to frame that good [20:14] <Korynne> This is a normal game [20:14] <@Koshi> Nononono [20:14] <@Koshi> Luck is good [20:14] <@Koshi> Miller [20:14] <Korynne> Why are people popping up like 30471038571386 roles everywhere? [20:14] <@Koshi> Dnu [20:14] <Korynne> Does miller know he's miller? [20:14] <@Koshi> nope [20:14] <@Koshi> Normally not [20:14] <@Koshi> he gets VT role [20:14] <@Koshi> But who cares [20:15] <@Koshi> Let's say he is miller/framer [20:15] <@Koshi> How is it conspiracy? [20:15] <@Koshi> You 4 are activily doing this [20:15] <@Koshi> VA is being an jackass towards MZ and Marv [20:15] <@Koshi> He is being blatantly wrong about so many things [20:15] <@Koshi> While he pushes this agenda [20:16] <Korynne> What are the chances there's a framer/miller? Pretty low. [20:16] <@Koshi> You still agree SnB needs to get shot? [20:16] <Korynne> Yeah but this is MYLO. [20:16] <@Koshi> I DON4T CARE ABOUT THE MILLER/FRAMER [20:16] <@Koshi> LETS SAY IT IS THERE [20:16] <@Koshi> WHAT ABOUT MY THEORY THEN? [20:16] <Korynne> Everyone's jumping their asses on SnB. [20:16] <Korynne> So that's suspect. [20:17] <Korynne> Like, everyone seems to be like, oh hey, this marv/mz thing sounsd good... NEVERMIND I VOTE SNB [20:17] <@Koshi> Nope not everybody [20:17] <Korynne> There's 4/11 mafia [20:17] <@Koshi> You 4 aren't [20:17] <@Koshi> Oats thinks marv/MZ are town [20:17] <Korynne> Yeah great scum strat, all go on the same bus, die together. [20:17] <@Koshi> MZ is being butthurt towards marv the entire game [20:17] <@Koshi> Marv is being annoyed by my stupidity [20:17] <@Koshi> You don't go to the same bus [20:18] <@Koshi> You all go to the same tactic [20:18] <@Koshi> that luckily for you got enhanced by a town plurity cop [20:18] <@Koshi> So it's amazing [20:19] <@Koshi> It fits so well [20:19] <@Koshi> insanely well [20:19] <@Koshi> like perfect [20:19] <@Koshi> it fits [20:20] <Korynne> Iunno how to explain. [20:20] <@Koshi> Ok you don't have to. [20:20] <@Koshi> PM me. [20:20] <Korynne> Like, I play mechanically, cop check is more reliable to me than reads. [20:21] <Korynne> Like, I'm not into this whole like, let's assume there's 50 roles inthe game thing. [20:22] <Korynne> I don't really believe Oats (30%?) and if he is cop then great, MZ is confirmed. [20:22] <Korynne> But no, let's all wave around the idea of framers and millers [20:23] <Korynne> I'm not defending SnB, I'm okay with lynching him yesterday (if sloosh didnt get pardoned) or tomorrow after we kill MZ scum. [20:23] <Korynne> I don't understand why the whole town seems to be like [20:23] <Korynne> oh a check, naw there's no way that's legit. [20:23] <Korynne> I mean now let's pull like 10 roles out of our asses. [20:23] <Korynne> Yeah that's about right, good. Ok, now we can lynch SnB. [20:24] <Korynne> There's 4 mafia left. [20:24] <Korynne> 1. If SnB is mafia, he's vigi. [20:24] <Korynne> 2. Mafia pardoner, either Rayn or some guy who's a pardoner. [20:24] <Korynne> 3. Yama was a silencer [20:25] <Korynne> You think they have a framer as well? [20:25] <@Koshi> Nope. Probably miller then [20:25] <Korynne> Great, so much coincidence. [20:25] <@Koshi> But you know what I think is strange [20:25] <Korynne> If miller doesn't know who he is [20:25] <@Koshi> That you don't want to accept that this is actually a legit strat [20:25] <Korynne> There's like a, 2/20 or like a 2/10 chance it lands on marv/mz. [20:26] <Korynne> It's too circumstancial [20:26] <Korynne> *circumstantial [20:26] <@Koshi> It isn't [20:26] <@Koshi> It's perfect in this theory [20:26] <@Koshi> It happned [20:26] <Korynne> Everyone just pulls roles out of their asses when they need to explain something. [20:26] <@Koshi> happened [20:26] <@Koshi> Nope [20:26] <@Koshi> Miller was there from the start [20:26] <Korynne> Well obviously he'd have to be there from the start. [20:26] <@Koshi> Indeed [20:27] <Korynne> What kind of statement is that xD [20:27] <@Koshi> And when a town cop went to look between MZ and Marv. [20:27] <@Koshi> ONLY THEN [20:27] <@Koshi> Scum made the play to lynch between these 2 [20:27] <Korynne> Why not leave layabout alive then? [20:27] <@Koshi> What? [20:27] <@Koshi> Why would they? [20:27] <Korynne> If layabout is alive right now. [20:27] <Korynne> There would be a 3rd check. [20:27] <Korynne> And we would gladly lynch whoever is the odd man out right? [20:28] <Korynne> Unless it's like, Rayn, Marv and MZ or.. iunno, whoever you want to pretend is like, the towniest of towns. [20:28] <Korynne> Or like, SnB marv and MZ. [20:28] <Korynne> Point is, if you let layabout live [20:28] <Korynne> he gets a 3rd check in [20:28] <Korynne> and it's ez pz lynch that guy [20:28] <@Koshi> Ok m8. [20:28] <@Koshi> We are different from opinion atm [20:28] <Korynne> If both MZ and Marv are innocent [20:28] <@Koshi> that's ok [20:28] <@Koshi> I have been wrong so much this game [20:28] <Korynne> You know what I'm saying though [20:28] <Korynne> re layabout? [20:28] <@Koshi> Maybe this time as well :D [20:29] <@Koshi> Yup. [20:29] <Korynne> Like I dont need you to agree, I just need you to understand what I asid. [20:29] <Korynne> Ya [20:29] <Korynne> So like, you can circlejerk this shit all over the place. [20:29] <@Koshi> But you guys killed him with the plan to push into MZ/Marv [20:29] <@Koshi> After that it would be ez win for you lads [20:29] <Korynne> No but don't you see. [20:29] <@Koshi> But let's other people take a mppl at it [20:29] <Korynne> Like look. [20:29] <@Koshi> mppl = look [20:29] <Korynne> We started night at 4/13 [20:30] <Korynne> If mafia kills 2 towns, that's 4/11, AND LEAVE LAYABOUT ALIVE, ok? [20:30] <Korynne> Now layabout comes back the next day [20:30] <Korynne> he's like, yo X is same alignment as Marv/MZ. [20:30] <@Koshi> I don't care about OTHER SCUM PLAYS [20:30] <Korynne> ...? [20:30] <@Koshi> I DON'T CARE [20:30] <Korynne> Uh, wat? [20:30] <@Koshi> You say my theory is bad [20:30] <Korynne> Bad is not the right word [20:31] <Korynne> Circumstantial is the word I'm going for [20:31] <@Koshi> And you counter with another scum theory [20:31] <Korynne> and also I'm explaining why that's unlikely [20:31] <@Koshi> Nope [20:31] <@Koshi> Scum went for this [20:31] <Korynne> ? [20:31] <@Koshi> Hmm [20:31] <@Koshi> Look [20:31] <@Koshi> I want [20:31] <@Koshi> to let marv take a look [20:31] <@Koshi> :D [20:31] <Korynne> Sure you can post the logs when we're done. [20:31] <@Koshi> Let's end this here [20:31] <Korynne> Why? [20:31] <Korynne> You're like completely ignoring me. [20:31] <@Koshi> Vote for me. I don't care. [20:31] <Korynne> You're like NOPE NOPE DONT CARE BYE [20:31] <@Koshi> Yup [20:31] <@Koshi> Exactly [20:31] <Korynne> Wtf man. [20:31] <@Koshi> Bye [20:32] <Korynne> Are you serious?! [20:32] <Korynne> I have to sit here and be like [20:32] <Korynne> Oh Koshi that's an amazing theory [20:32] <Korynne> wow you just solved everything [20:32] <@Koshi> Thx! [20:32] <Korynne> You're amazing props [20:32] <@Koshi> I AM THE KOSHI [20:32] <Korynne> And then when I'm like, ehh, that seems weird [20:32] <Korynne> you're like OMG NO SHUT UP IM PASTING LOGS BYE [20:32] <Korynne> wtf? [20:32] <@Koshi> Nope [20:32] <@Koshi> I was going to post logs anyway [20:32] <Korynne> Yeah I know. [20:32] <Korynne> You said that. [20:32] <Korynne> But I don't get why I can't explain things. [20:32] <Korynne> Here [20:32] <@Koshi> I can't discuss this with you m8. [20:33] <Korynne> Why?? [20:33] <@Koshi> I think you are scum [20:33] <@Koshi> I am tunneling you [20:33] <Korynne> You're posting logs anyways! [20:33] <@Koshi> I cant think straight [20:33] <Korynne> Who cares? [20:33] <@Koshi> Ok sure. [20:33] <Korynne> if I talk more you get more evidence [20:33] <@Koshi> Keep posting. [20:33] <@Koshi> I will add your defense as well [20:33] <Korynne> Like wtf is kbye. [20:33] <@Koshi> Thats why I post logs [20:33] <Korynne> Anyways. [20:33] <Korynne> Yeah you're pasting logs, I get it. [20:33] <@Koshi> I am posting them so you can defend yourself [20:34] <@Koshi> I am not certain on you [20:34] <@Koshi> Not on VA [20:34] <@Koshi> Not on anybody [20:34] <Korynne> Why can't I defend myself here [20:34] <Korynne> instead of wasting a post [20:34] <@Koshi> Please do [20:34] <Korynne> in a post limit thing [20:34] <Korynne> No but what I was saying, before you got all kthxbai on me. [20:34] <Korynne> Is that, let us assume, Marv and MZ are not mafia, and framer/miller/wahtever. [20:34] <Korynne> Ok, so if I was mafia, I would leave layabout alive. [20:35] <Korynne> Because he'll come back during the day and be like, yo, here's my check on X, and it's same/diff as marv/mz. [20:35] <Korynne> And then you can easily get town to lynch marv/mz for being the odd man out. [20:35] <Korynne> So if they're both innocent, that's so good for mafia. [20:35] <Korynne> They can just sit back and let layabout come up with his check. [20:36] <Korynne> So I don't see why, if marv/mz are both innocent, they'd kill layabout. [20:36] <Korynne> If marv/mz is not innocent, then killing layabout prevents town from knowing which one of the two is guilty. [20:36] <Korynne> because he doesn't get his 3rd check in [20:37] <Korynne> And you're not even here are you... you're just waiting for me to be done and copy pasta. -.- [20:38] <Korynne> Like I don't think you're mafia... I'm just trying to let you see where I'm coming from. [20:38] <Korynne> And I'd appreciate it if you gave it as much thought as I gave to your theory. [20:39] <@Koshi> I was eating. [20:39] <@Koshi> Sorry. [20:40] <@Koshi> I must admit I was a bit rude before [20:40] <@Koshi> Or a lot :D [20:40] <@Koshi> I agree with what you say. That is another way scum could have played this [20:40] <@Koshi> Maybe even better [20:40] <Korynne> So like *shrug* [20:41] <@Koshi> What about we swap you and rayn in the scum list? [20:41] <@Koshi> And they didn't think about that theory? [20:41] <@Koshi> And they wanted to kill both cops? [20:41] <Korynne> I mean, Rayn is Rayn. [20:41] <Korynne> Iunno why you think Oats is fine. [20:41] <@Koshi> I have 2 theories atm [20:41] <@Koshi> Marv oats is scum [20:42] <@Koshi> And then this one [20:42] <Korynne> Rayn is rayn as in, he claimed pardoner [20:42] <@Koshi> But this one fits so good [20:42] <@Koshi> Imagine it is rayn indeed [20:42] <@Koshi> And he is the scum pardoner :D [20:42] <Korynne> But to me, this one fits so good in a like, omg look there's the face of jesus in my toast. [20:42] <@Koshi> Ah no [20:42] <@Koshi> I don't agree there [20:42] <@Koshi> You 4 are pushing into this marv/MZ thing [20:43] <@Koshi> VA is playing fishy [20:43] <@Koshi> You are trying to keep me away from SnB [20:43] <Korynne> VA seems to be defending SnB [20:43] <Korynne> I'm not keeping you away from SnB [20:43] <@Koshi> Wiggles comes to add into this MZ/Marv thing [20:43] <Korynne> me and Wiggles see the same thing I think [20:43] <Korynne> Which is like, we have a dead cop claim that these two guys are diff alignments [20:43] <Korynne> iunno why vayne is defending SnB that's just...yeah iunno. [20:44] <@Koshi> He is not only defending SnB. He is being strange all over the plae [20:44] <Korynne> Like if layabout wasn't dead today, ignoring what his check would give you, I would go for SnB. [20:44] <Korynne> Or like, if he checked SnB [20:44] <Korynne> I'm good with lynching SnB [20:44] <@Koshi> Are you now giving reasons why scum killed latabout :D ? [20:44] <Korynne> and then the guy that's scum according to layabout's check if we trust layabout [20:45] <Korynne> Basically [20:45] <Korynne> killing layabout [20:45] <Korynne> "confirms" his check [20:45] <Korynne> but [20:45] <Korynne> it doesn't confirm his alignment [20:45] <Korynne> I think ideal time to kill layabout is tonight instead of last night if mafia. [20:45] <@Koshi> That's the beauty of it. It confirms the lucky shit that 1 of MZ/marv is the miller [20:45] <Korynne> If both MZ and Marv are innocent. [20:45] <Korynne> I think it makes the most sense [20:46] <Korynne> To kill layabout tonight [20:46] <Korynne> Because you get the 3 checks [20:46] <Korynne> and his confirmed alignment [20:46] <Korynne> and so you ahve to lynch the odd man out or w/e [20:46] <Korynne> you know? [20:46] <@Koshi> Maybe scum got cocky and wanted to save SnB? [20:46] <Korynne> For what? [20:46] <Korynne> He's gunna get lynched at some point [20:47] <Korynne> We're eventually gunna run out of shit to do [20:47] <@Koshi> Not when we go into the marv/MZ shit [20:47] <Korynne> Yeah but what I'm saying is [20:47] <@Koshi> And people are convinced 1 is scum [20:47] <Korynne> it's not about saving SnB [20:47] <Korynne> SnB is like, a number basically, if he's scum [20:47] <Korynne> Scum knows they can't save him, busing him is best strat probs [20:47] <Korynne> So it's not so much about saving snb [20:47] <Korynne> as like, delaying it and having him be a number [20:47] <Korynne> if that makes sense [20:48] <@Koshi> They got cocky with this. I agree with you. They got cocky and are now getting punished [20:48] <Korynne> Or like, if SnB is not scum (unlikely) then they're pushing it really hard today [20:48] <@Koshi> They should have bussed SnB [20:48] <Korynne> They still could be [20:48] <Korynne> Rayn voted for SnB [20:48] <Korynne> strongandbig (4): Koshi, Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, kushm4sta [20:48] <@Koshi> I think Rayn is away for his Birthday [20:48] <@Koshi> And went for the easy bus [20:48] <Korynne> +marv [20:49] <Korynne> so that's 5 people on SnB already [20:49] <@Koshi> Sorry Kyronne. I really think this is it [20:49] <@Koshi> I am so confident [20:49] <@Koshi> I never felt like this in mafia [20:49] <@Koshi> never [20:49] <Korynne> lol [20:49] <Korynne> I mean if you feel it you feel it, I'm just giving my opinions. [20:49] <Korynne> We're all entitled to our own opinions and votes. [20:49] <@Koshi> Ok and I appreciate it. [20:49] <@Koshi> Yup [20:49] <Korynne> I'm just presenting my side, you're presenting yours. [20:49] <@Koshi> Let's hope that SnB flips scum [20:49] <Korynne> And if we talk this out here we save posts. [20:49] <@Koshi> And we can then decide on Marv/oats or this new crazy strat from me :D [20:50] <Korynne> Oh also. [20:50] <Korynne> What's your take on the Marv/Sloosh shenanigans? [20:50] <@Koshi> Or maybe it is SnB/Kyrone/Adam/wiggles that is scum [20:50] <@Koshi> Shit [20:50] <@Koshi> Butchered your name again [20:50] <Korynne> lol [20:50] <@Koshi> Korynne [20:50] <Korynne> even worse this time gg [20:50] <Korynne> Seems awkward though [20:50] <Korynne> 2 afks and me? (ignoring snb) [20:51] <@Koshi> I know [20:51] <Korynne> I wouldn't expect 2 afks [20:51] <@Koshi> Everything is possible [20:51] <Korynne> out of 4 mafia [20:51] <@Koshi> Koshi/Kyronne/Marv/VA [20:51] <Korynne> like snb is toast so w/e [20:51] <@Koshi> Everything can [20:51] <Korynne> lol no afks [20:51] <@Koshi> Put this theory [20:51] <@Koshi> But* [20:51] <@Koshi> It fits [20:51] <@Koshi> I love it [20:51] <@Koshi> If it is wrong [20:51] <Korynne> the one with you as scum? [20:51] <@Koshi> I will be sad [20:51] <@Koshi> hehe [20:51] <@Koshi> No [20:51] <Korynne> [20:52] <@Koshi> I will be like L [20:52] <@Koshi> (if you watched Death Note [20:52] <Korynne> Also you didn't answer me [20:52] <@Koshi> ) [20:52] <@Koshi> Sloosh/Marv? [20:52] <Korynne> Ya I don't remember what happens in death note anymore [20:52] <Korynne> The fact that Sloosh messaged marv [20:52] <Korynne> and was like yo SK [20:52] <@Koshi> Yeah [20:52] <@Koshi> supergay [20:52] <@Koshi> I don't know [20:52] <Korynne> Cuz like, if there is an SK [20:53] <Korynne> It's /very/ likely to be between Marv and MZ. [20:53] <@Koshi> And THAT IS WHY THESE 4 SCUM ARE DOING ALL THIS [20:53] <@Koshi> YOU FUCKING SOLVED IT [20:53] <@Koshi> THATS WHY [20:53] <@Koshi> THEY WANT THE SK [20:53] <Korynne> Wait but. [20:53] <@Koshi> Maybe there is [20:53] <@Koshi> FUCK YEAH [20:53] <Korynne> No, but problem is. [20:53] <Korynne> If there is an SK. [20:54] <Korynne> Then it's very likely that mafia has 1KP, and SK has 1 KP. [20:54] <Korynne> So doesn't that mean Marv/MZ is SK and we need to kill them first? [20:54] <Korynne> Cuz if mafia has 1 KP, then killing SnB doesn't do anything.' [20:54] <Korynne> Wait hold on [20:54] <Korynne> ok [20:54] <Korynne> let's assume [20:54] <Korynne> SnB is mafia [20:54] <Korynne> and Marv/MZ is SK [20:54] <Korynne> if we kill SnB [20:54] <Korynne> then 3/10 left [20:54] <@Koshi> We don't fucking know there is a SK [20:54] <Korynne> 2 KP at night [20:54] <Korynne> 3/8 tomorrow [20:54] <@Koshi> Kyronne. You are being scummy right now [20:55] <Korynne> ya hold on, this is an assume if there is an sk [20:55] <Korynne> bro you wanna chill while i math [20:55] <@Koshi> Math away! [20:55] <Korynne> so that's 3/8 tomorrow. [20:55] <Korynne> That's not bad [20:55] <Korynne> wait no [20:55] <Korynne> shit [20:55] <Korynne> uh [20:55] <Korynne> if it's 3/8 but there's an sk [20:55] <Korynne> uhhh [20:55] <Korynne> i dont know what that means actually [20:55] <Korynne> if there's 1 sk, 3 mafia and 4 town [20:55] <@Koshi> You should see me do maths at the end of Nuclear to lynch the SK :D. It was perfect math why town should kill the SK :D [20:56] <Korynne> What happens Koshi do you know? [20:56] <Korynne> If we end up with 1 sk 3 mafia and 4 town tomorrow [20:56] <Korynne> Is that a loss for town? [20:56] <@Koshi> It continues [20:56] <@Koshi> It always continues when SK is alive [20:56] <@Koshi> Unless 3 scum and 1 SK or something like that :D [20:57] <@Koshi> I had that problem in nuclear [20:57] <@Koshi> Stupid CaucasianAsian [20:57] <Korynne> cuz hrtr [20:57] <Korynne> *cuz here [20:57] <Korynne> http://wiki.epicmafia.com/index.php?title=Mislynch_and_Lose [20:57] <Korynne> it says if 1 mafia, 1 killer and 2 town then town loses [20:58] <Korynne> so wait [20:58] <@Koshi> I don't know tbh. Like what happens with 2 town and SK in the day. [20:58] <Korynne> if scum and sk left, then scum wins? [20:58] <@Koshi> I am pretty new [20:58] <@Koshi> I DON4T CARE [20:58] <@Koshi> Really [20:58] <Korynne> o-o;; [20:58] <@Koshi> Do not care [20:58] <Korynne> So ok. [20:58] <Korynne> Here's the possible situations. [20:58] <Korynne> A) SnB scum, Marv/MZ both innocent [20:58] <Korynne> Whatever let's assume SnB is scum [20:59] <Korynne> B) SnB scum, Marv/MZ one is scum [20:59] <Korynne> C) SnB scum, Marv/MZ one is SK [20:59] <Korynne> so in A) [20:59] <@Koshi> Really m8. Are you trying to go into Marv/MZ after all? [20:59] <@Koshi> Jeez [21:00] <@Koshi> You are scum [21:00] <@Koshi> fuck this [21:00] <@Koshi> ... [21:00] <Korynne> 4/11, we kill SnB, 3/10, 1 person dies at night (mafia KP is prob #/3 if there's no SK), 3/9 tomorrow, we good. [21:00] <Korynne> Bro wtf, you jsut have to sit there why you fuck this fuck that. [21:00] <Korynne> I'm doing math can you just chill the fuck out. [21:00] <@Koshi> But this is not important [21:00] <Korynne> How is this not important [21:00] <Korynne> You don't even know where I'm going with this [21:00] <Korynne> and you say this is not imporatnt [21:00] <Korynne> You're doing it again. [21:01] <Korynne> You and friggin gumshoe. [21:01] <Korynne> Get all up on my grill for no reason. [21:01] <@Koshi> I am pretty sure this is going into we should lynch into marv/MZ to catch the SK [21:01] <Korynne> You wanna call me scum call me scum, don't get all dont listen dont care. [21:01] <@Koshi> Arfffffff Let's do math.... [21:02] <Korynne> B) SnB is dead anyways, better to have him die than Marv/MZ for mafia? [21:02] <Korynne> Math is the same as A), 3/9 tomorrow we good [21:03] <Korynne> C) SnB scum, we lynch him, 2 people die at night bceasue 1 KP mafia 1 KP sk, 3 mafia 1 SK 4 town tomorrow (no fucking clue what that means you're posting someone in thread answers hopefully) [21:03] <Korynne> If we get SK [21:03] <Korynne> that's 3/10, 1 KP at night, 3/9 tomorrow. [21:03] <Korynne> Herm. [21:03] <Korynne> So if SnB is scum. [21:03] <Korynne> wait hold on [21:03] <Korynne> if we lynch the wrong guy [21:04] <Korynne> that's 4/10, 2 KP at night, 4/8 tomorrow GG. [21:04] <Korynne> wait but [21:04] <Korynne> if SK kills mafia at night [21:04] <@Koshi> :D [21:04] <Korynne> it's 3/8, still probably GG [21:04] <Korynne> So wait [21:05] <Korynne> hmm [21:06] <Korynne> I think we're ok if there's an SK [21:06] <Korynne> So on the like 1% chance SnB isn't mafia [21:06] <Korynne> that's 4/10, SK can still hit mafia at night if he wants to win. [21:06] <Korynne> Ya ok. [21:06] <Korynne> So basically [21:07] <Korynne> we need to know what happens, win condition wise, if there's an SK [21:07] <@Koshi> SnB needs to go man. If he is town I am sorry, but I don't believe it for a moment. [21:07] <Korynne> No but see ehre's the thing [21:07] <Korynne> even if SnB isn't scum, we can still win if we mislynch him and there's an SK [21:07] <Korynne> Because SK can hit mafia at night. [21:07] <@Koshi> I don't believe in SK [21:07] <Korynne> That's not the point. [21:08] <Korynne> The point is we're still ok if SnB is not scum. [21:08] <Korynne> So TL;DR - we can lynch SnB today and we're okay EVEN IF there is an SK. [21:08] <Korynne> Because SK can hit mafia at night, if he doesn't then mafia wins over SK I think. [21:08] <@Koshi> Ugh, I don't know what to think of this last 15 minutes. Why are we talking about a SK? [21:09] <@Koshi> Lets get SnB [21:09] <@Koshi> Lets get marv/MZ/VA after that [21:09] <Korynne> Bro just read my TL;DR. [21:09] <Korynne> [21:09] <@Koshi> I did [21:09] <Korynne> Ya so we good for SnB today. [21:09] <Korynne> I thought we fucked if we don't catch SK if there is one. [21:10] <@Koshi> Please think hard about my theory. [21:10] <Korynne> Cuz in B), we don't care about killing snb or the scum in marv/mz. [21:10] <Korynne> But if we dont care about SK, then yeah SnB better lynch. [21:10] <Korynne> Ok, going for it. [21:10] <Korynne> Can you repeat your theory [21:10] <@Koshi> VA/Wiggles/SnB and 1 more (I think you :D) [21:10] <@Koshi> Read it [21:10] <@Koshi> jeez [21:10] <Korynne> Jeez I didn't want to scroll. [21:10] <@Koshi> arfff [21:10] <Korynne> Like, did youw rite it out above? [21:10] <Korynne> In thread? [21:10] <Korynne> Or like, you just mean names [21:11] <Korynne> I go read thread [21:11] <@Koshi> Thx. [21:11] <@Koshi> I will clean my theory up. [21:11] <@Koshi> Make it propper [21:11] <Korynne> Oh what do you mean by [21:11] <Korynne> "I was actually lying about Rayn before" [21:11] <@Koshi> You sent me a pm [21:11] <@Koshi> about SnB [21:12] <@Koshi> Then I got this insane theory [21:12] <@Koshi> Well [21:12] <@Koshi> Perfect theory [21:12] <@Koshi> Suddenly I got a clear mind [21:12] <Korynne> oh you said in threa that rayn did? [21:12] <@Koshi> No. I wanted to get you in IRC chat [21:12] <Korynne> Anyawys doesn't matter. [21:12] <@Koshi> So I first said Rayn, because you suspect rayn [21:12] <@Koshi> But I wanted you :D [21:12] <Korynne> I've got work to do. [21:12] <@Koshi> ok cool [21:12] <@Koshi> laters [21:12] <Korynne> So you write up your theory [21:13] <Korynne> I'm gunna write up the SK win conditions thing cuz neither of us knows. [21:13] <Korynne> But basically I think we're safe to lynch SnB [21:13] <Korynne> even if Marv/MZ is an SK [21:13] <@Koshi> Sexy. [21:13] <Korynne> and if that's the case, then SnB makes a better lynch. [21:13] <@Koshi> k I want you guys to look at this and agree with me it makes perfect sense? I know you guys believe it is unlikely that scum is all pushing this agenda. I already hear you saying that. But it fits so perfectly.It's simple, effective and possible. I really really believe these guys are scum and are pushing this agenda. Please look at it. | ||
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