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Korynne
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada990 Posts
July 26 2013 05:53 GMT
#1201
I never claimed SnB was town (I think he looks scummy). I just think given the evidence, it's much more likely that MZ or Marv is mafia or SK. People are ridiculously wrong about their reads all the time, I trust the blue evidence more unless you want to write a Vivax on SnB, Marv and MZ.

I don't know if Wiggles is town or scum, I've got way better evidence against marv and MZ right now. I'm not going to waste my time trying to decide on whether Wiggles is scum.

Did you not read what me and layabout talked about re:first day lynch and why people didn't just switch from VE to MZ?
TL Mawfyah~ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
July 26 2013 07:11 GMT
#1202
Are we honestly not voting for either me or marv? Marv is confirmed scum for me and either of us should be confirmed scum for everyone else.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Korynne
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada990 Posts
July 26 2013 07:16 GMT
#1203
On July 26 2013 16:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Are we honestly not voting for either me or marv? Marv is confirmed scum for me and either of us should be confirmed scum for everyone else.


Yeah, apparently town is dumb enough to be like, look at me, all high and mighty, my read is so good we're going to value that above the detective claims.
TL Mawfyah~ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 26 2013 07:21 GMT
#1204
On July 26 2013 16:16 Korynne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 16:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Are we honestly not voting for either me or marv? Marv is confirmed scum for me and either of us should be confirmed scum for everyone else.


Yeah, apparently town is dumb enough to be like, look at me, all high and mighty, my read is so good we're going to value that above the detective claims.

Yes we are going to do that cause I dont want to gamble the game on a possible framer as opposed to someone who I think is CONFIRMED FUCKING SCUM.

You must be the scum going all in on this then, cause you know they are both town and you dont care which one gets lynched.

So MZ, what do you say?

Currently evidence shows that either there is a framer or you are scum.
You want to vote for someone other than marv, like SnB?
No gg, No skill.
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
July 26 2013 07:31 GMT
#1205
On July 26 2013 13:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
I would really like more posts, but I AM THE COP(parity cop).

So I checked FT day 1 and marv day 3 and no one day 2 cause Im bad at mafia.

If you say im fakeclaiming, well, guess what? You scumclaimed bro.

oats this is like the worst claim I've ever seen.

Seriously this is criminally bad. If you're actually town you win the award for worst parity cop of all time.

But I don't think you're bad town. Someone said this was mylo, all scum has to do is force a mislynch. Currently people want to kill marv over me so scum need to step up and make a bold move such as, idk, fake claiming to throw dirt on the reads of a fucking FLIPPED parity cop. Whip up a fake claim, throw in a little WIFOM, mix some setup speculation in with that and boom! Perfect conditions for that final mislynch you need to win the game.

So no I don't believe your claim and you'll be lynched tomorrow after marv flips scum.

Also fucking look at Marv's defense, he isn't even trying lol.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 26 2013 07:39 GMT
#1206
On July 26 2013 16:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 13:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
I would really like more posts, but I AM THE COP(parity cop).

So I checked FT day 1 and marv day 3 and no one day 2 cause Im bad at mafia.

If you say im fakeclaiming, well, guess what? You scumclaimed bro.

oats this is like the worst claim I've ever seen.

Seriously this is criminally bad. If you're actually town you win the award for worst parity cop of all time.

But I don't think you're bad town. Someone said this was mylo, all scum has to do is force a mislynch. Currently people want to kill marv over me so scum need to step up and make a bold move such as, idk, fake claiming to throw dirt on the reads of a fucking FLIPPED parity cop. Whip up a fake claim, throw in a little WIFOM, mix some setup speculation in with that and boom! Perfect conditions for that final mislynch you need to win the game.

So no I don't believe your claim and you'll be lynched tomorrow after marv flips scum.

Also fucking look at Marv's defense, he isn't even trying lol.


WHIP UP THAT FAKECLAIM.

why dont I claim the d2 result as a dead dude then?
like why fakeclaim that I didnt check on day 2.


Also, I cant force you to believe my claim but, why not claim like normal cop or whatever?
Why fakeclaim a role that has already flipped?


Also I already said one of you dudes got framed, why do you not BELIEVE ME.

Think about all the claims you have seen, which one does this look like? Incompetent town or scum?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 26 2013 07:39 GMT
#1207
MZ, you arent even trying either.
No gg, No skill.
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
July 26 2013 07:47 GMT
#1208
I don't believe you because I look at marv and see resigned scum rather than townie fighting a mislynch. There is a difference between marv and I. I'm happy to die to prove him scum, he's resigned to die and isn't gonna do amything to prevent it.

Marv looks like scum about to die not town.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 26 2013 07:48 GMT
#1209
On July 26 2013 16:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I don't believe you because I look at marv and see resigned scum rather than townie fighting a mislynch. There is a difference between marv and I. I'm happy to die to prove him scum, he's resigned to die and isn't gonna do amything to prevent it.

Marv looks like scum about to die not town.

Its mylo dude.
If you dying means town lose, are you happy?
Currently you are going to die so yeah....


Also, wanna lynch SnB?
No gg, No skill.
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
July 26 2013 08:14 GMT
#1210
On July 26 2013 16:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 16:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I don't believe you because I look at marv and see resigned scum rather than townie fighting a mislynch. There is a difference between marv and I. I'm happy to die to prove him scum, he's resigned to die and isn't gonna do amything to prevent it.

Marv looks like scum about to die not town.

Its mylo dude.
If you dying means town lose, are you happy?
Currently you are going to die so yeah....


Also, wanna lynch SnB?

No I wanna lynch the dead DT's scum check, aka marv.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 26 2013 08:15 GMT
#1211
On July 26 2013 17:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 16:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
On July 26 2013 16:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I don't believe you because I look at marv and see resigned scum rather than townie fighting a mislynch. There is a difference between marv and I. I'm happy to die to prove him scum, he's resigned to die and isn't gonna do amything to prevent it.

Marv looks like scum about to die not town.

Its mylo dude.
If you dying means town lose, are you happy?
Currently you are going to die so yeah....


Also, wanna lynch SnB?

No I wanna lynch the dead DT's scum check, aka marv.

but do you really think marv is scum?
Blue roles are great and all, but sometimes, its NOT ENOUGH.

Im gonna need posts so this is my last post for a while.
No gg, No skill.
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
July 26 2013 08:16 GMT
#1212
On July 26 2013 17:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 17:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 26 2013 16:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
On July 26 2013 16:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I don't believe you because I look at marv and see resigned scum rather than townie fighting a mislynch. There is a difference between marv and I. I'm happy to die to prove him scum, he's resigned to die and isn't gonna do amything to prevent it.

Marv looks like scum about to die not town.

Its mylo dude.
If you dying means town lose, are you happy?
Currently you are going to die so yeah....


Also, wanna lynch SnB?

No I wanna lynch the dead DT's scum check, aka marv.

but do you really think marv is scum?
Blue roles are great and all, but sometimes, its NOT ENOUGH.

Im gonna need posts so this is my last post for a while.

Look at how marv has acted today.

I'd be much more willing to hear you out if marv had at least tried to look town.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 26 2013 08:35 GMT
#1213
ok seriously last post.

I masoned marv.

logs
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marvellosity: aight
Oatsmaster: yo
Oatsmaster: so you sk?
marvellosity: -.-
marvellosity: who did I shoot last night, if i was?
Oatsmaster: lol
Oatsmaster: i have no idea
Oatsmaster:
marvellosity: serious question
Oatsmaster: but rayn says kohlly
Oatsmaster: and im inclined to agree
marvellosity: so I shot my main scumtarget of the game, running the risk that I look terrible if he flips town?
Oatsmaster: so do you think there is an sk in this game?
marvellosity: sounds genius
Oatsmaster: yes marv
Oatsmaster: exactly
marvellosity: I'll tell you for free
marvellosity: I'm not an idiot
marvellosity: which should instantly discount that theory
Oatsmaster: oh?
marvellosity: i'd bet on there not being an SK
marvellosity: can't be sure thouhg
Oatsmaster: also scum kp is 1?
Oatsmaster: that seems really weird
marvellosity: scum KP is almost certainly not 1
marvellosity: it's probably 2 i guess
marvellosity: which means a shot on n1 is unaccounted for
Oatsmaster: right
Oatsmaster: so like joat>
Oatsmaster: ?
Oatsmaster: or why wouldnt the dude claim?
marvellosity: maybe joat
marvellosity: maybe multi-shot
marvellosity: joat seems more likely i guess
Oatsmaster: yeah
Oatsmaster: hmm
Oatsmaster: so koshi scum
Oatsmaster: y/n?
marvellosity: na
marvellosity: although
Oatsmaster: but that post
Oatsmaster: so scum
marvellosity: with layabout and kholly being town
marvellosity: it means there's scum in ppl i had as town before
Oatsmaster: OR YOU ARE SCUM!
Oatsmaster: nah
marvellosity: shrug
marvellosity: can't be bothered to argue against the stupid this game
Oatsmaster: dont have enough posts to argue against stupid
marvellosity: and that
marvellosity: I do tend to post massively when i'm raging against stupidity
marvellosity: pretty sure i overposted in the night cycle
Oatsmaster: ok
Oatsmaster: im parity cop btw
Oatsmaster: game unbalanced
Oatsmaster: checked you and FT
marvellosity: lol
marvellosity: wat
Oatsmaster: yeah
marvellosity: what night did you check?
marvellosity: n1?
Oatsmaster: n1 and n3
Oatsmaster: im bad at nightactions
marvellosity: hmm
marvellosity: i'm running under the theory that i was framed some night
marvellosity: what were the results?
Oatsmaster: man
Oatsmaster: so scummy
Oatsmaster: ok
marvellosity: ?
marvellosity: stop being fucking dumb
Oatsmaster: SAME
Oatsmaster: too dumb to be scum?
marvellosity: no, just too dumb
marvellosity: same, interesting
marvellosity: wait
marvellosity: day 4 today right?
Oatsmaster: yup
Oatsmaster: so either you got framed n2, or MZ is SCUM
marvellosity: so layabout would have got his check from n2
marvellosity: yeah
Oatsmaster: i havent got back from RoL whether 3P return as town
marvellosity: if MZ is mafia I'll be really sad
Oatsmaster: why?
Oatsmaster: his filter is shit btw
marvellosity: because his filter is shit
marvellosity: he was such a cock early in the game
Oatsmaster: ah ok
marvellosity: feels so dirty to play that way as mafia
marvellosity: it's *almost* dick-move analysis, but not quite
Oatsmaster: i dont knowf
Oatsmaster: feels like a lotta reaction posting
Oatsmaster: like i did in nuclear
Oatsmaster: and no like objective
marvellosity: lemme find
marvellosity: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884&currentpage=29#577
marvellosity: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884&currentpage=31#605
marvellosity: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884&currentpage=31#610
marvellosity: shit like that
Oatsmaster: mebbe
Oatsmaster: how do parity cops work?
Oatsmaster: compare to your last target right?
marvellosity: just a lot of being sarcastic and calling people bad for no reason
Oatsmaster: yeah
marvellosity: shrug
Oatsmaster: you wanna kill snb and wigglesa?
marvellosity: maybe he would do that as mafia
marvellosity: i think s&b is the best bet
marvellosity: still not sure on wiggles
Oatsmaster: well he also had chats with rayn
marvellosity: Adam is mafia I think.
Oatsmaster: like pm conversations
Oatsmaster: oh really?
Oatsmaster: why/how?
marvellosity: yeah
marvellosity: he's just afked
Oatsmaster: where has he been?
marvellosity: no idea
Oatsmaster: afked isnt a scumtell dumbo
marvellosity: yes it is
marvellosity: certainly for adam
Oatsmaster: his chats with you were not very alignment indicative?
marvellosity: not particularly
Oatsmaster: well like intermittent posting sure, but absolutely nothing?
Oatsmaster: nah thats not really good
marvellosity: ?
Oatsmaster: like
Oatsmaster: im inclined to think its some irl thing
Oatsmaster: if he didnt post for 24 hours
marvellosity: that's nice
marvellosity: i've known adam and played with him for a year
marvellosity: have you?
Oatsmaster: but if he posted like 5-6 posts in that period about nothing
Oatsmaster: then possiblt
Oatsmaster: I have played with adam in like 5/6 games
Oatsmaster: all town I think
marvellosity: right
marvellosity: so you have no idea
Oatsmaster: so go and explain how total absence is a scumtell for adam.
marvellosity: it doesn't matter today
marvellosity: s&b is a better lynch
Oatsmaster: come on
marvellosity: see if adam comes back before he gets modkilled
Oatsmaster: tell me about it anywaya
Oatsmaster: then I can meta him in future games
marvellosity: eh
marvellosity: he just hates playing mafia
marvellosity: if he can get away with not posting, he will
Oatsmaster: lol
Oatsmaster: and you cant really use posts to pressure him
Oatsmaster: man this game is godo for scum,
marvellosity: i'm not certain he's mafia, but there's a decent chance at this stage
Oatsmaster: is kush alive?
Oatsmaster: kush replaced out right?
marvellosity: lol
marvellosity: no
Oatsmaster: dude OP isnt updated
marvellosity: try reading the thread
marvellosity: that would help
Oatsmaster: naw
Oatsmaster: so whats in kush's slot?
marvellosity: ???
Oatsmaster: is he dead/replaced?
Oatsmaster: or is he just not really posting
marvellosity: he's alive
marvellosity: don't ask me retarded questions oats, it's really irritating
Oatsmaster: hows lunch?
marvellosity: lunchy
Oatsmaster: descriptive
Oatsmaster: i dont really wanna ask you about node
Oatsmaster: but I really wanna know
marvellosity: node is adam possibly?
marvellosity: yeah tbh i keep getting confused about the replacements as well
marvellosity: that sounds right
Oatsmaster: yeah ok
Oatsmaster: RoL so lazy
marvellosity: Ver really
marvellosity: it is indeed annoying
Oatsmaster: 2 scum left
Oatsmaster: um 4 scum
Oatsmaster: SnB/adam/Wiggles
Oatsmaster: im thinking vayne or koshi
marvellosity: they both seem quite town to me
Oatsmaster: so then whos the alst one?
marvellosity: i've no idea
Oatsmaster: ...
Oatsmaster: speculate
marvellosity: no
Oatsmaster:
marvellosity: god there's not enough players
marvellosity: i guess anyone could be mafia
Oatsmaster: lol
Oatsmaster: including me?
Oatsmaster:
marvellosity: sorry :p
marvellosity: yeah
Oatsmaster: haha
Oatsmaster: man you suck at reading lynchbait vs scum
marvellosity: get lost oats
Oatsmaster: so far
Oatsmaster: 2/2
Oatsmaster: haha
Oatsmaster: do you still have a mason?
marvellosity: kush and adam
Oatsmaster: you masoned kush
Oatsmaster: lolol
marvellosity: naw
marvellosity: he masoned me
marvellosity: so did adam for that matter
marvellosity: maybe he's not scum
Oatsmaster: i meant like of the 2 you start with
Oatsmaster: so when a dude masons you he is town
Oatsmaster: well so far thats been 3/3
marvellosity: not necessarily
Oatsmaster: well maybe not
Oatsmaster: if adam is scum
marvellosity: but if anyone can read Adam, I can
Oatsmaster: which I really dont think so
marvellosity: he's just not given me a chance too
Oatsmaster: you are reading adam's disappearence man
marvellosity: yeah
marvellosity: chances are that's scummy
marvellosity: but it's not certain
Oatsmaster: maybe
marvellosity: 2:1 odds maybe
Oatsmaster: that hes scum cause of that
Oatsmaster: thats good odds
marvellosity: yeah
marvellosity: and because looking at the playerlist
marvellosity: finding 4 mafia is hard
Oatsmaster: maybe
Oatsmaster: i think we kill snb and wiggles
Oatsmaster: and leave active players till later
marvellosity: mm
marvellosity: i'll check s&b's filter later
marvellosity: see if he's actually hunted any mafia or if he's just complained about being called mafia
Oatsmaster: probably not
Oatsmaster: there is like 0 reasosn to shoot ace though
Oatsmaster: i wouldnt have even shot ace
marvellosity: yeah
marvellosity: that was terrible
marvellosity: yeah s&b hasn't done anything
Oatsmaster: ok
Oatsmaster: gong to push that tmr i guess
Oatsmaster: should I disclose that I masoned you>?
marvellosity: if you like
marvellosity: you should save the logs
marvellosity: i closed your window at some point out of annoyance so i lost most of them :p
Oatsmaster: haha
Oatsmaster: yeah I should
Oatsmaster: yeah snb so scum
marvellosity: mm
Oatsmaster: compulsive
Oatsmaster: lol
marvellosity:


So marv has been useful in Pms at least.
No gg, No skill.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 26 2013 08:45 GMT
#1214
Maybe Meapak is mafia after all, he's attempting to go full retard in either case. Sadly that isn't *necessarily* a scumtell for MZ.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 26 2013 08:46 GMT
#1215
Also what drugs are you on if I think I'm 'resigned' to die?

Killing me today would be utterly stupid so I'm not even contemplating it. How is that 'resigned'? It's 'assuming town aren't a complete bunch of fuckwits' - easy mistake to make, I know
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 26 2013 09:11 GMT
#1216
By the way, to whoever said MZ looked "good" for how he handled slOosh, go filter me and find my long post on day 1 and day 2 votes. MZ looks atrocious for how he handled slOosh.

In any case, s&b is a better lynch than MZ I think.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 26 2013 10:54 GMT
#1217
Ohhhh this game....
Here I was, thinking marv was town and wanted to switch to the MZ wagon because I liked Khyronne his point about so many scums being on the VE wagon because the other 2 wagons were scums (SloOsh+MZ). So I started reading the logs from MZ and marv. Now my conclusion is BOTH ARE HORRIBLE.

MZ
I suggest people read these logs themselves. The logs contain:
Early game: Toying around with Ace & VA
Mid game: Horrible crap.
End game: Doing a lot of things to keep suspicion on marv. Being a martyr is cool!

--> yay for uselessness.


Hapa/marv

Hapa used to be marv on the first cycle. @marv you say that Hapa was easy to read when you replaced him, can you tell me what you read?

Hapa was masoned with yamato. It was a pregame agreement...

When marv took over he only briefly talked with yamato. However, yamato looked town in marv his book. While in the brief exchange that DH had with yamato, DH concluded extremely fast that yamato was scum. (go read those logs, guys)

Marv spent a lot of time with Vivax in chat. Vivax his PMs to me were really clear, we needed to lynch SloOsh and SnB. After all these hours in chat this dedication didn't rub off on marv at all. Marv just stated for the first time that going after SnB might be smart...

In midgame marv actually made 1 analytical post, read it:
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On July 23 2013 00:58 marvellosity wrote:
Seems I'm burping through my posts a little, sorry about that. Decided to have a look at the day 1 and day 2 votecounts. All this taken under the assumption slOosh is mafia.

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On July 18 2013 12:01 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Vote count incoming.

VisceraEyes - 6
Oatsmaster
gumshoe
slOosh
yamato77
FirmTofu
Ace
strongandbig
layabout
kholly
kholly

VayneAuthority - 0
DoctorHelvetica

DoctorHelvetica - 1
kholly
FirmTofu
Meapak_Ziphh

Sloosh - 5
raynpelikoneet
VayneAuthority
HiroPro
kushm4sta
VisceraEyes
Vivax
Vivax
FirmTofu

Kholly - 1
gumshoe
marvellosity

Strongandbig - 1
Vivax
gumshoe
Vivax

raynpelikoneet - 0
Koshi

Sandroba - 0
Malongo

Malongo - 1
VisceraEyes
Koshi

Oatsmaster - 0
DoctorHelvetica

Firmtofu - 1
DoctorHelvetica
gumshoe

Meapak_ziphh - 5
Mr. Wiggles
layabout
Malongo
kholly
gumshoe
VisceraEyes

Ace - 0
Vivax


VisceraEyes has 6 votes and is to be lynched. This will be finalized and posted in 20 minutes. If anyone can verify my count it would be appreciated.

On July 21 2013 14:20 geript wrote:
DoctorHelvetica (0): kholly, kholly, Vivax
FirmTofu (2): Ace, Malongo, DoctorHelvetica, raynpelikoneet, strongandbig, Kushm4sta, Adam4167, kholly, Oatsmaster
layabout (1): slOosh
Ace (0): FirmTofu, Ace, FirmTofu
kholly (1): Vivax, Koshi, FirmTofu, Marvellosity
Oatsmaster (0): raynpelikoneet, Vivax
Vivax (0): Kushm4sta, FirmTofu
Meapak_Ziphh (1): Korynne, FirmTofu, Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet
slOosh (9): Mr Wiggles, Kushm4sta, layabout, raynpelikoneet, Vivax, VayneAuthority, Korynne, Koshi, Adam4167
strongandbig (1): Koshi, kholly
VayneAuthority (1): Malongo

Not Voting (1) : Meapak_Ziphh


Day 1: slOosh: rayn, Vayne, HiroPro, kush, FirmTofu
Day 2: slOosh (9): Mr Wiggles, Kushm4sta, layabout, Meapak_Ziph, raynpelikoneet, Vivax, VayneAuthority, Korynne, Koshi, Adam4167

So people marked in blue are people who voted slOosh both days, and therefore look quite good. Incidentally I'd say that at this stage, it would be a good reason for Vayne and rayn to stop taking slugs out of each other, even though it's nice for a bit of rhyming. At the moment I think you're both town.

Bold people are confirmed flips, and anyone in unbolded green is a current town-read of mine. So that leaves Wiggles, layabout, and Adam (a replacement).

Pre-edit: Votecount was wrong, layabout wasn't voting for slOosh, and Meapak was but omitted on geript's votecount

Here's what Wiggles had to say about slOosh day 1:

Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 05:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:

-snip-

I think a lynch between MZ and VE would be a good choice. I'm not as sure about the Sloosh lynch. He hasn't done too much, but having a couple posts defending himself is not so bad in my opinion, simply because he was attacked by several people for his opinion on PMs. So, to use posts talking about that after seems natural, similar to how Tofu had posts defending himself based on his post about the traitor.


And then day 2:

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On July 21 2013 03:00 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I haven't posted yet. I was hashing things out in PM yesterday.

I don't think MZ is the best lynch for today. I don't get as much of the same feeling I did yesterday that he's scum.

I generally agree with Vivax's reads and they fall in line with a lot of what I've been thinking. I think Sloosh would be a good choice for the lynch today. I didn't think he was as scummy yesterday, because he was attacked quite early, so focusing more on defense wasn't incredibly alignment indicative, but since yesterday, he hasn't made up for it. After the pressure on him stopped, he hasn't really done anything. He's made an analysis on layabout, but he's not actually pushing for anyone to vote for him. Compare the effort he's put in to getting layabout lynched compared to the effort he put into his defense on Day 1. It's pretty disproportionate. This shows that he was more worried about saving himself from dying compared to the effort he's put into finding scum, and now that he needs to help hunt scum, he's done just enough to look like he's helping.

Additionally, Sloosh was soft-defended by Yamato a few times, with him making excuses for Sloosh's activity and lack of sucmhunting. Even his last post where he says that he maybe wants to lynch Sloosh, he puts a condition on it, saying that he'll only lynch him if he doesn't start scumhunting. This gives sloosh yet another out. This is somewhat relational, and while secondary to what I wrote above, is still another mark against him.

##Vote: Sloosh


One curious thing about it is that he's backing off what seemed to be a pretty damn strong scumread on MZ for no actual reason other than "I don't get as much the same feeling.". Also, I feel the context of Vivax's mason logs is kinda important:

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On July 22 2013 08:50 Vivax wrote:
Posting my logs cause I'll die anyway:

mason: Wiggles


This guy has really been a pain in the ass to chat with. He's hesitant, lacks proactivity, disappears randomly. I always had this scum feeling about him. If I had to fill the next slot for scum it'd be him. He also did some sketchy switch.

When I asked him in chat who he would lynch now immediately, he said layabout, the next thing he did in a post was voting SlOosh. I asked him about it, he replied with this, make of it what you will, but this guy has to post a lot more, it's absolutely not ok that he has gone ignored for so long:

______________________________________________________________________________________________________
From: Mr. Wiggles [ 4716 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: Mason
Date: 7/21/13 03:43
I feel like the case on Sloosh is strong as well. I also don't think MZ is a good lynch, and it feels like there's more support from the people I think are town for a sloosh lynch compared to a layabout lynch. I'd be alright lynching either, but I feel Sloosh is now the better choice for today's lynch. It will also give us more information based on what happened Day 1.

Original Message From Vivax:
In chat yesterday you said you'd lynch layabout instantly if you could. Why do you pick SlOosh now that I actually found a piece of evidence about layabout that's one of the most damning pieces in my cases?


______________________________________________________________________________________________________

Wiggles feels like scum, he's robotic, his stories have this feeling of "narrative", he tries to deliver straight stories as much as possible, especially his PM there looks kinda fabricated, not that it matters, cause remember, SlOosh S & B and layabout have priority imo, Wiggles needs to be pressured a lot more.



The emphasis is mine. Seems Wiggles found himself on slOosh despite basically ignoring him day 1 and thinking there were better targets (layabout) day 2. Conclusion? Looks pretty fishy, but not conclusive.



Spoilering the layabout stuff I wrote below because the votecount was wrong :/

+ Show Spoiler +
So how about layabout? Day 1 slOosh mentions:

On July 18 2013 09:44 layabout wrote:

-snip-

For a 24 player game we have a vote's spread pretty thinly:
here are the leaders as far as i can tell and we should not be lynching slOosh.
votes
sloosh: 5 raynpelikoneet VayneAuthority HiroPro kushm4sta VisceraEyes
VE: 3 FirmTofu yamato77 slOosh
snb:2 Vivax gumshoe


Interesting anyways. Why shouldn't we?

On July 18 2013 09:55 layabout wrote:

-snip-

It's important to note that the things you share in PMs and the things you share with the thread are very different. In general stuff in the thread is posted to works towards a goal like getting reaction persuading people directing discussion etc. But in PMs you can talk about the game the big and the small, the little things that you are thinking about but might not want to share with the thread or that you want another opinion on.

But a very large part of VE's reason for voting slOosh is that slOosh is PMing VE about the small stuff. Or rather something that VE does not think should be the main focus of the game right now. But what slOosh has done is send a perfectly reasonable PM and VE has tried to use that to tell us that slOosh's priorities are skewed as if slOosh had posted that in the thread.

VE's entire reason for pushing slOosh is inflated and intentionally out of context.



Moving on to after the day 1 lynch....

On July 19 2013 10:47 layabout wrote:

slOsh's attitude really does not fell like the attitude of somebody that is trying to find scum. I think he is deliberately overlooking stuff that should be obvious .


slOosh now scummy, after saying he was a terrible lynch day 1.

On July 21 2013 11:29 layabout wrote:
apparent ly mz was lying as a joke. what a dick. i athinkingm about not playing with him again. what a horeible attitude.

why has no one pmed me yet?

if i am around i might switch to slOosh. but i havent filtered him and i am not thinking straight


And............ just realised this is all hopeless, because the Day 2 votecount was wrong and layabout was actually voting for MZ, and not slOosh. Lame.




And Adam... not a lot to say about Adam.

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On July 21 2013 11:21 Adam4167 wrote:
I'll sheep rayn right now since I don't have time to do much else.

Those PM's from sloosh are uninspiring.

##Vote:Sloosh


That's all we have.



Meapak... I kinda think he's town, and it's a bit hard to pin him down on his filter. Day 1 MZ fails to mention slOosh at all. Post Day 1:

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On July 20 2013 01:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Ace my man I thought your reveal was gonna have more... flair. Must say I'm dissapointed son.

I for one would much rather lynch sloosh than FT


First mention that I can find.

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On July 21 2013 05:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I like me some sloosh lynch.


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On July 22 2013 08:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Actually lets make a deal vayne, we lynch sloosh. He flips town, we kill rayn. He flips scum, we kill you.


This one looks pretty terrible, but ugh. I have to say I'm really just crossing my fingers and hoping MZ is town, because I can't give any massively rational reasons why it should be the case.



Just some general musings on votecounts; On Day 1 Meapak had 5 voters, as one of the 3 main wagons. 3 of the wagon have flipped town (gumshoe, VE, Malongo) leaving Mr Wiggles and layabout. This alone makes it pretty likely at least one of Wiggles and layabout was mafia - working on the assumption that at least 3 of the wagon on VE were mafia (yamato/slOosh/s&b, possibly kholly...).

It's kinda unfortunate there were so many no-shows on Day 1, leaves a lot of information missing.


After this posts marv leaks the infamous "Oh hai marv, u sk bro?"

So about this marv:
Wrong about yamato,kholly and FT in early
Mid-game analytical posts is pointing fingers at Wiggles, being null on adam and dedicating a town read on MZ. While khyronne and I are town in his vote analysis. So nobody is scum except for Wiggles maybe.
End-game marv is being cynical, shows no remorse about his game so far, doesn't want to play because the stupidity, and gets heavily defended by Oats. Who is defending marv always and ever, and marv looks worse because of it.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 26 2013 11:02 GMT
#1218
Oats:
I have no idea about you. You seem to like the SnB lynch? You seem to think Marv is good for this town? You don't want to put too much weight in the layabout claim because of Framer, but you are really confident in your own results about FT/Marv, you don't think Marv could be godfather or be framed to look town?

I am currently still on the SnB-marv-Oats lynch. You seem to think I am scummy? Pressure me. Tell me why.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 26 2013 11:09 GMT
#1219
People keep telling me it's obvious I am new to this game. (they say it a bit more harshly than that ofc) But if I have to learn this game from Vets like Ace, Marv, VA and MZ it might take a while till I hit a decent level. I wish there were more players like Vivax. Lot's of clear posting, not too much secrecy. Ahhh, how refreshing.
I had a good night of sleep.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 26 2013 11:13 GMT
#1220
You're not reading my filter very well are you? I've been interested in s&b for a long time. Go look and you might find that it's pretty obvious.

Why would I show remorse about being wrong? What's the point? "Sorry guys, I thought kholly was mafia, but he wasn't" - happy?

I only look worse for Oats defending me if you're blinded by confirmation bias, which you are.

Call my play horrible all you like, you're the one repeatedly attacking a townie at this stage. I can fabricate scumreads and reasoning if you like. I'm terribly good at that. How hard do you think it would have been for me to conclude in that vote-analysis post that Wiggles looked terrible and was mafia? Would that have made me look better? Want me to waffle on about how Wiggles has stayed aloof from the game, has failed to comment on thread goings-on? This is all true, but I find Wiggles pretty hard to read because he never seems particularly involved. I'd *love* to tell you that I was totally convinced though. Or how about MZ - the obvious conclusion from what I looked at and much of his early play is that he's mafia. A case on MZ is fucking easy to make but I haven't god-damn made it because I don't think I believe in it. Could I be wrong and MZ is mafia? Yes of course I could, but I'm not going to push a case I'm not totally sure I believe in. Cold logic suggests from the parity cop check that MZ must be mafia. So fucking simple for me to jump all over his ass, pull up posts where he's actively trolling town during the start of the game, so easy to bring up posts where he actively isn't giving a single fuck about the Day 1 lynch, so easy for me to point out how MZ didn't even MENTION slOosh on Day 1, but on Day 2 was suddenly very happy with a slOosh lynch. I'm just desperately crossing my fingers that MZ wouldn't call town a bunch of idiots repeatedly on Day 1 as mafia, because that seems icky. Maybe I'm wrong and he did, I don't know. Want me to go make faux cases so I look all active and caring? Would you be jumping all over my ass now if I'd shown fake-conviction on say Wiggles and MZ? This bears repeating - mafia *KNEW* they had a pardon handy, jumping on to slOosh on Day 2 was a very easy way to "look good" because it ends up being pardoned anyway. If you're looking at an uncertain marvellosity, you're looking at a town marvellosity, because non-town marvellosity has no problem saying anything about anyone and making it look good. I've played 11 (I think) games as mafia/3rd party and won 10 of them - it's really easy to look like you care when you don't care, you know.

Or maybe I want to lynch the guy who randomly took a terrible shot on a townie, and then accuses a usually very-high-volume poster of "not playing like usual" as his only point of interest since shooting Ace in the whole game.
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