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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Isnt it better to just keep pushing kholly and shoot another scumread? There are 4 scum left, lotta targets man. Its really bad play as SK. Does marv suck at the game? I dont think so. Vayne, how do you not see the shot on someone obviously town as a scumclaim. there was no explanation. #yolo is not a good answer. town SnB doesnt #yolo. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On July 26 2013 11:19 Oatsmaster wrote: Why the fuck would marv as sk shoot someone he is pushing? Isnt it better to just keep pushing kholly and shoot another scumread? There are 4 scum left, lotta targets man. Its really bad play as SK. Does marv suck at the game? I dont think so. Vayne, how do you not see the shot on someone obviously town as a scumclaim. there was no explanation. #yolo is not a good answer. town SnB doesnt #yolo. you just played in nuclear with me where SnB didn't give two shits as town. How do you not see that everyone in the game is pushing SnB pretty much except me? you think the whole scumteam is just bussing him at this point? Also I fail to see how Ace was obvious town when he was pretty much just posting random stuff. Your "SK bad play" scenario only takes into account the aftermath of after I brought this up. Do you really think he would think that anyone would think of that? Nobody is even responding to it which means that no one even believes it. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
SnB is giving many bad shits here. I think the whole scumteam might not have posted since he has been brought up, so no they arent bussing. Ace posting random stuff is such a fucking town tell. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
So everyone that posts nothing useful gets a free pass as town from you? I know how to play with you in the future I guess. Also who hasn't posted this entire game because SnB has been pushed since day 1 btw | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
As such, I think we need to lynch into MZ or layabout. We have a claimed check from a confirmed cop, and it would be silly to disregard that right now. I don't feel like the setup would include a framer, due to balance reasons. Mafia have slightly higher numbers than normal, but town has at least two vig shots with the American and the Vigilante, with the extra N1 kill coming from the Vigilante, or an unclaimed extra role. Mafia seems to have lowered KP, but town also has little protective power, and the Jailer role has drawbacks, in addition to the scum pardoner that gives mafia a free round of kills. As well, town doesn't look like it had other power roles besides the Parity cop, which is weaker than a normal cop in that it is uncertain and still needs to be supported by analysis. So, the inclusion of a framer doesn't make much sense to me from a balance perspective, as it would only serve to weaken an already weakened version of the cop in a set-up more focused on KP than investigative mechanics. As such, I believe the check can be trusted to be real and not have been tampered with as Marvellosity has been claiming. As I mentioned before, I have just now realized that we are indeed in MYLO. Mafia has probably already realized this though, and know that they only need to assure a mislynch today to win. In that light, the logs between Sloosh and Marv look much worse in the case of Marv being scum than they did before. For the people saying that those logs make no sense in the case of Marv being mafia, think of them in the frame of mafia only needing to mislynch today to win. Sloosh knew he was going to be lynched, and so did his team; the lynch result was a foregone conclusion. As well, assuming that there was scum in the mason chain with Layabout (which makes sense), mafia already knew about the check between MZ and Layabout, and so knew that the objective for today if their night kills went well would be making sure the town between them was lynched. So, why not throw a whole basket of WIFOM into the town to complicate the lynch? All you have to do is make sure that town mislynches, so why not muddy the waters in your favour? This train of thought reconciles the idea of Marv being scum and the logs that exist between him and Sloosh. My initial reaction based on my reads from the last few days was that MZ was town and Marv was mafia. This was based on the general feeling I got from MZ in PM land, and Marv in the thread*. Now though, with the way the voting is going, and how people are reacting in thread, it still leads me to lean towards Marv being scum. Mafia are probably willing to stick their neck out a little bit more today in order to secure the win. They can taste victory, so they'll probably play riskier if they can win now. That's what makes me distrust the S&B lynch today. I don't particularly trust the people pushing it, and they aren't giving very compelling reasons to lynch S&B over MZ/Layabout today. I feel like there isn't a particularly strong feeling in the thread to kill MZ, so instead of trying to focus the lynch on MZ/layabout, where layabout would be the one lynched in most cases, scum are instead trying to focus onto S&B as he is someone who has had suspicion cast in his direction for quite some time, and so it's probably easier to lynch him than MZ, even with the check. tl;dr So right now, I'm thinking it's more probable that Marv is scum and MZ town. I think we should focus our efforts between MZ and layabout, since it's unlikely the check was tampered with. As well, we must all keep in mind that we need to lynch correctly today, or else we probably lose. *If you hadn't noticed, I was masoned to MZ, and that was why I didn't want to lynch him Day 2, based on what was said there. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Marv has another check showing him to be the same alignment as FT | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On July 26 2013 12:30 Oatsmaster wrote: Wiggles scum, not even reading the thread. Marv has another check showing him to be the same alignment as FT If you honestly believe that then why aren't you voting meapak? That makes him auto scum. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On July 26 2013 12:30 Oatsmaster wrote: Wiggles scum, not even reading the thread. Marv has another check showing him to be the same alignment as FT Oats #1 scumhunter. Marv claimed the check. Marv is up on the block to be lynched. His word means very little to me. Also, this cop has not claimed, nor has the check been corroborated by another player, so Marv's claim of a check existing means absolutely nothing to me. You can't say that another check exists, when the only source for this check is Marv himself. That you take it at face value makes me sad. As I said before, this is MYLO, so if there really is another cop who has more checks, now would be the time to claim. Either to save layabout if he really is town, or to give us another free scum when it's transparent he's lying to save his scumbuddy. I'm fine with either. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Wiggles, are you horrible? Layabout is DEAD. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
Please address the actual point though. Why do you trust Marv's claim that a check exists at face value, when Marv is the only source claiming the check? That's what's horrible here. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
So I checked FT day 1 and marv day 3 and no one day 2 cause Im bad at mafia. If you say im fakeclaiming, well, guess what? You scumclaimed bro. | ||
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Korynne
Canada990 Posts
On July 26 2013 13:52 Oatsmaster wrote: I would really like more posts, but I AM THE COP(parity cop). So I checked FT day 1 and marv day 3 and no one day 2 cause Im bad at mafia. If you say im fakeclaiming, well, guess what? You scumclaimed bro. Wow, I don't even want to start on how terrible it is to miss a check especially since it's parity... xD If you are parity cop, ask RoL whether scum and SK turn up the same. I asked after layabout died and he said I wasn't privy to that information. That's the only thing I have in terms of trying to prove that you're a cop. Also you checked Marv, then there's like a 90% chance of MZ being scum/SK. And you still want to lynch SnB because? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
town/3p/scum are different alignments. | ||
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Korynne
Canada990 Posts
On July 26 2013 14:21 Oatsmaster wrote: I agree with marv now that MZ is probably town cause of his cockiness. town/3p/scum are different alignments. ?? You said Marv and FT were the same alignment? So MZ is also town and layabout is a flat out liar???? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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Korynne
Canada990 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On July 26 2013 14:26 Korynne wrote: You trust your read more than a cop claim. You trust that there's a framer and somehow they managed to frame the right person? Wow, you're crazy. Well yes I trust my read more than blue roles because blue's are known to not always be accurate. Also marv or MZ were probably checks and therefore frame targets. | ||
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Korynne
Canada990 Posts
On July 26 2013 14:28 Oatsmaster wrote: Well yes I trust my read more than blue roles because blue's are known to not always be accurate. Also marv or MZ were probably checks and therefore frame targets. Yeah if there even is a framer. I'm sorry, give that like Wiggles said we're at MYLO I'm not willing to lynch based on your hunch. You think both Marv AND MZ look clean? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On July 26 2013 14:32 Korynne wrote: Yeah if there even is a framer. I'm sorry, give that like Wiggles said we're at MYLO I'm not willing to lynch based on your hunch. You think both Marv AND MZ look clean? Yes thats right. Korynne, there are 4 scum left, even if one of MZ and Marv is scum, there are 3 other scum. What makes you so sure that SnB is town? Wiggles is probably scum btw, do you think he is town? I mean, do you have the strongest scum read on MZ outside the check out of everyone in the game? | ||
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