[N] Sicilian Mafia Style - Page 59

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

July 25 2013 11:43 GMT

#1161

This is my thought process regarding marv and his actions today:

[14:32] <Oatsmaster> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884&currentpage=58#1160
[14:32] <Oatsmaster> so marv scum or town
[14:33] <raynpelikoneet> i don't understand
[14:33] <raynpelikoneet> why is he not trying to convince us MZ is not town?
[14:33] <raynpelikoneet> why the fuck would you not do that if you are town?
[14:36] <Oatsmaster> why the fuck would you not do that if you are scum?
[14:41] <raynpelikoneet> to buy time
[14:41] <raynpelikoneet> he is trying to get us to find the mole
[14:41] <Oatsmaster> buy what time?
[14:41] <raynpelikoneet> which we don't even know exists for sure
[14:41] <Oatsmaster> oh
[14:41] <Oatsmaster> like not lynch MZ
[14:41] <raynpelikoneet> yeah
[14:41] <raynpelikoneet> so that there is uncertainty
[14:41] <raynpelikoneet> if we are looking for non-existent mole
[14:42] <raynpelikoneet> it is possible laya was masoned with scum, say wiggles
[14:42] <Oatsmaster> yeah
[14:42] <raynpelikoneet> and people are trying to find the mole in you/me/Koshi/Korynne
[14:42] <Oatsmaster> go and post that

marvellosity

United Kingdom36160 Posts

July 25 2013 12:01 GMT

#1162

On July 25 2013 20:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This is my thought process regarding marv and his actions today:

[14:32] <Oatsmaster> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884&currentpage=58#1160
[14:32] <Oatsmaster> so marv scum or town
[14:33] <raynpelikoneet> i don't understand
[14:33] <raynpelikoneet> why is he not trying to convince us MZ is not town?
[14:33] <raynpelikoneet> why the fuck would you not do that if you are town?
[14:36] <Oatsmaster> why the fuck would you not do that if you are scum?
[14:41] <raynpelikoneet> to buy time
[14:41] <raynpelikoneet> he is trying to get us to find the mole
[14:41] <Oatsmaster> buy what time?
[14:41] <raynpelikoneet> which we don't even know exists for sure
[14:41] <Oatsmaster> oh
[14:41] <Oatsmaster> like not lynch MZ
[14:41] <raynpelikoneet> yeah
[14:41] <raynpelikoneet> so that there is uncertainty
[14:41] <raynpelikoneet> if we are looking for non-existent mole
[14:42] <raynpelikoneet> it is possible laya was masoned with scum, say wiggles
[14:42] <Oatsmaster> yeah
[14:42] <raynpelikoneet> and people are trying to find the mole in you/me/Koshi/Korynne
[14:42] <Oatsmaster> go and post that

The bolded is right. Buying time? Are you serious? Why does nothing anyone says make any sense anymore?

The thing is, I don't think there is necessarily an SK. I guess I could see MZ being an SK, I'm still not getting the scumvibes off him, so I'm unsure about that.

There exists the possibility that slOosh was actually telling the truth in a roundabout way and I was framed (also by scum), giving scum their check and layabout his check.

It's also very possible from my perspective that some mafioso knew of layabout's plans and framed me for precisely that reason, knowing the cop would get a check, and setting up slOosh masoning me and telling me that scum "knew" that I'm SK.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

July 25 2013 12:39 GMT

#1163

I have a lot to say about this night. I always thought that Kholly was the detective, I told Vivax about this on Day 2, and that is part of the reason why he grew suspicious of marv. Here you can read one of the last PMs Vivax sent me.
+ Show Spoiler +

The thing is, your Chez DT theory sounds somewhat plausible if you consider he does his shit the other way around.
Which makes me very distrusting of my mason partner, marv, of whom I'll send you the logs as insurance, should I die. He just asked me in PM for the reasons why you think kholly is town, I told him I'd tell him if he sends me his logs, I won't answer him probably.

Once I die, I need you to post these logs when it becomes necessary, use them strategically. Try to get marv to talk a lot. Be careful how you approach trying to prove he's scum. He's really good at playing scum.

I'll send you the PM's between marv and me, too, but first his logs with others and the irc logs.

In summary, marv has been soft-agreeing with me on layabout, SlOosh and S & B, but for him they always seemed to be secondary lynches. His interest into them only showed when I talked with him about them, he always was like "yeah they're likely scum, we need to see what they're gonna do, but hey look at this dude".

Instead, he always urged me to look at people like FirmTofu and kholly (and I supported him on kholly last day cause he asked me to).. His inflexibility on the matter and rather unexplainable preference makes me suspicios now.

He has been stuck on FT since N1, he flipped town.
He said at some point ace has the not give a fuck attitude that is likely town (should be in the logs, but check for yourself please, this is from my memory) this is very suspicious cause it seems unlikely someone would reliably draw a conclusion from ace's play, unless he knows his alignment already.
When FT died, he tried a lot to push me to kholly.

My other partner is Wiggles. That guy is really scummy. He hesitates a lot in the chat, he barely asks me stuff on his own, and I do most of the writing. He shows only poor proactivity.

Here's the chat logs. I talked to marv as if I didn't share them with anyone, telling him it's up to him to post them if I die, keep yourself silent, ask him what he worked out with me maybe, see what he tries to do with our logs. Does it seem like he uses them to push scum objectives, does he fake information, only pick the stuff that he finds useful? You'll be THE undercover shit, dude . Lynching scum marv is probably one of the hardest things to achieve in this game, so you'll need to find compelling stuff to persuade people.

If kholly isn't scum, it's among Malongo/marv/Wiggles/Oats!
That will be the hardest part of the game once I'm not around anymore.

The problem I have with marv is that he didn't see the same thing. It was so obvious that kholly pretended to be the detective in my eyes. Kholly did things like putting FT green (this is kholly saying that ft is red) before the night, and then putting FT red right after the night. Kholly said things like "Ace is the voice of the detective", or spoke of multiple cops recently, pointing towards the purity cop and himself as DT.

So like Vivax said, marv really wanted to lynch FT and Kholly, both flipped town now. While marv was very hesitant to lynch SloOsh,SnB and layabout, which were the targets of Vivax.

Could it be that Vivax was so right about his targets and marv so wrong? I think that this is unlikely. That is why I still want SnB to be lynched today. We need to follow Vivax guys, he is still town MVP and he has been death after night 1...

So I suggest we lynch SnB, a guy who we ALL suspect for being scum. I am going to keep following Vivax, I want you all to keep doing that.

My opinion on MZ/marv as a lynch target for today:
MZ should never get lynched today. The only thing we have against him is a message from a flipped scum player, that claims that one of MZ/marv is "different". That's nothing really. We do not have a better chance on finding scum in MZ than SnB.
marv is still a big red target for me, but I want to go SnB first to keep on track with what Vivax told me. If SnB turns red, then we all have to remember what Vivax told us about the hesitance of marv to go after SnB.

Quick sidenote before I forget:
I told rayn that kholly was the detective on day 3. Both "detectives" died on night 3. I do not believe rayn is scum for a second but meh. It is maybe a bit coincidental, but it is something to note down.
The whole thing with layabout being the purity cop was revealed to me without me even asking anything about it. I am listed as one of the moles but I can assure you all I am 100% town. I don't even try to do bad town things.

strongandbig

United States4858 Posts

July 25 2013 14:59 GMT

#1164

@koshi what makes you so sure I'm scum that you're willing to ignore the mz/Marv dt check to lynch me? Like, seriously no one has made a case on me this entire game except vivax, and that was vivax tunneling into his snap read on me based on my first post (and spoiler alert vivax tunneling is something that happens all the time, and has happened to me before).

I shot ace for a couple of reasons that no one has argued with yet - one is protown (he was playing like scum and I thought he was scum, but he's impossible to lynch) and, true, one is alignment neutral (I like shooting ace) but no one has said yet why that makes me scum.

Ima do a little analysis now. In the sloosh/Marv convo, sloosh claimed that they knew Marv was SK from a cop check. This gives us four possibilities:
1. scum actually do have a role cop check on Marv as SK, as they appear to imply in the sloosh/Marv convo. Best move for town is to lunch Marv and reduce anti town KP. Regardless of whether the 2kp/night so far has been due to scum only having one KP as someone suggested or if we've been lucky with KP overlap/protective roles, best move if we have the SK is to get rid of him.
2. scum knew about the mz/Marv "different" result that was floating around pm land, and that neither of them is scum. In this scenario, presumably either sloosh contacted both Marv and mz, or they read Marv as SK. In this case whether we lynch Marv or mz depends on who we think is more likely to be the SK. If the "different" result was due to a framer, I doubt that scum would have initiated the conversation with Marv, I don't see any benefit to doing that instead of just letting town kill both of them.
3. Marv is scum and the convo was faked. This could have been a response to knowing about the parity check, although I don't see why that would be a better response than just trying to lynch mz, either way the check leads to Marv getting lynched and the "when" just depends on getting people to lynch mz first. I feel like getting us to lynch mz first would be easy if Marv actually started giving a shit, and given how egotistical he can get about his scum play I doubt that would have been an issue. I don't think that is the case. Still, this is a possible scenario where we should obviously lynch Marv.
4. Marv is town, mz is scum, and the convo was initiated in response to scum finding out about the parity check. This is the scenario where we should obviously lynch mz. Still, this is a very high-risk strategy from scum, since it relies on Marv posting the conversation and not having it make him "confirmed" or gain massive town cred. It's also possible but I think this scenario is also unlikely

So here's my conclusion. I think it seems improbable that either of mz or Marv is actually scum. So I think we should lynch Marv for a couple reasons. (1) his play this game doesn't match either his scum or town play. Unless he's been way more active and involved in pms than he has here, it doesn't match his town play (which sometimes looks scummy but always looks leadery) or his scum play (which is quite active as well, and very ego-driven). Therefore, I think he is neither. (2) there's a possibility the scum do have a rolecop and that's why they contacted Marv, in which case they're giving us free information and it would be a shame not to use it.

So ##vote: marv

Also inb4 "oh he's hunting SK not scum" well what I'm actually doing is hunting for the most reasonable anti town person I can get you all to lunch instead of mislynching me and trying to work with the cop claim we have so fuck you too. At least I'm still trying despite people in this game being stupid and calling me scum for no good reason, unlike some people in this town.

marvellosity

United Kingdom36160 Posts

July 25 2013 15:02 GMT

#1165

On July 25 2013 23:59 strongandbig wrote:

So here's my conclusion. I think it seems improbable that either of mz or Marv is actually scum. So I think we should lynch Marv for a couple reasons. (1) his play this game doesn't match either his scum or town play. Unless he's been way more active and involved in pms than he has here, it doesn't match his town play (which sometimes looks scummy but always looks leadery) or his scum play (which is quite active as well, and very ego-driven). Therefore, I think he is neither. (2) there's a possibility the scum do have a rolecop and that's why they contacted Marv, in which case they're giving us free information and it would be a shame not to use it.

What is this crap? We're in a 20-post game and you expect my play to look the same as every other game when I post 100+ times per cycle?

And I typed like a billion lines in irc with Vivax, how did you miss that? I've clearly been active and involved in PMs.

Your whole post reeks of bullshit.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

July 25 2013 16:30 GMT

#1166

You 2 are so annoying.

@SnB Every time you come here to defend yourself. Your shot vs Ace was pure bullshit, imagine you having your shot now and we could shoot MZ and lynch marv, that would have been epic. But fuck that shit, you shot Ace.
I am not even going to react on the marv case... marv can better prove he is town by doing towny things or he is next if you flip red.

marvellosity
Are you ignoring my case against you? Or Vivax his case I must say.
How come you were so wrong about FT?
How come you were so wrong about Kholly?
Why does Vivax respect your scum hunting so much?
Why do you post 100 times per cycle in a no restriction game but can't you be bothered to put pressure on anybody this game?
Why are you not dead?
Why does it feel like you are confident to go with anybody in a lylo situation?
Why can't you make a simple list like rayn did? Put suspects in red, town reads in green?

You don't give a shit about this game, however, you are always reading this thread. Don't denie it because you are quick to reply on a lot of posts.

marvellosity

United Kingdom36160 Posts

July 25 2013 16:36 GMT

#1167

On July 26 2013 01:30 Koshi wrote:
You 2 are so annoying.

@SnB Every time you come here to defend yourself. Your shot vs Ace was pure bullshit, imagine you having your shot now and we could shoot MZ and lynch marv, that would have been epic. But fuck that shit, you shot Ace.
I am not even going to react on the marv case... marv can better prove he is town by doing towny things or he is next if you flip red.

marvellosity
Are you ignoring my case against you? Or Vivax his case I must say.
How come you were so wrong about FT?
How come you were so wrong about Kholly?
Why does Vivax respect your scum hunting so much?
Why do you post 100 times per cycle in a no restriction game but can't you be bothered to put pressure on anybody this game?
Why are you not dead?
Why does it feel like you are confident to go with anybody in a lylo situation?
Why can't you make a simple list like rayn did? Put suspects in red, town reads in green?

You don't give a shit about this game, however, you are always reading this thread. Don't denie it because you are quick to reply on a lot of posts.

Vivax didn't have a case on me, he just said to keep an eye on me. Which is a big step up from how he normally treats me - ref: Basterd where he tunnelled me all game, ref: LIX where he voted for me when I was mayor who just lynched mafia, ref: Personality 2 where he tunnelled me all game. "wary" is as townie as Vivax has ever been on me.

Wasn't so wrong about FT, thought he was mafia for quite some time, never confident enough to vote him.
Got Kholly wrong because all his reads were weird as shit and I'm not used to that.
Because I've caught billions of mafia in my time
Because it's no restriction, and I've semi-checked out of this game
Not dead because I'm pretty lynchable this game apparently
I'm an arrogant asshole (not had a single thought about lylo though)
Lists are for shopping (I lie, actually I don't mind lists at all, just haven't made one)

I did give a shit about this game, namely when Vivax was alive and I had someone to shoot the shit with. If you can genuinely read all the logs he posted and you think I didn't give a shit about this game, I can only assume you had your eyes closed. And yes, I compulsively follow threads.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

July 25 2013 16:40 GMT

#1168

##Unvote:
##Vote: Strongandbig

That post like any other of his post is full of shit.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

July 25 2013 16:52 GMT

#1169

btw here are my mason logs with MZ.

+ Show Spoiler +

You probably should, because regardless of your alignment the way you are playing is gonna get you killed. :D

Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh:
lol yeah I guess you can. That means I'll have to start tryharding in the thread -_-

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Original Message From raynpelikoneet:
Do you mind if i post this in thread? I don't want to lynch you as i think you are far more likely to be town than marv.

Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh:
Wiggles logs. This kind of apathy and general lack of focus is very indicative of scum wiggles. I've trolled the thread this whole game, I was planning to stop D2 but then I realized I wasn't getting lynched so I never really felt like stopping. Also vayne is pissing me off so I'm just being obstinate with him. Normally I wouldn't do this, but since there are PMs this game I'll just discuss the goings on with people outside the thread. I had initially hoped wiggles would be active and we could talk a lot but now he's looking really scummy... perhaps my initial trolling trap actually caught him lol.

I really don't mind being the lynch today as long as marv is dead tomorrow. From there S&B and wiggles need to die ASAP.

Messages from wiggles, read bottom to top.

You're oddly quiet, what do you think about a layabout, sloosh, s&b scum team?

Original Message From Mr. Wiggles:
Looks like there's more pressure on you today. I don't think you're the best lynch though. Are you planning on stopping it yourself? I'd be willing to help try to move the lynch off of you, but that would be awkward without basically posting everything here.

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Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh:
There is no such role as SK in this game and yet when I mentioned it FT was rearin to go and kill Ace. SK's are very bad for scum and it's easy to look townie going after an SK. It was an easy bait and FT jumped on it. I was just trolling but FT had a really bad reaction.

Maybe he's town since he quoted the PM, we'll see if he gets modkilled.

Original Message From Mr. Wiggles:
What are your thoughts on Vivax, and what do you think of Kholly's claim? I ask because Vivax masoned me, and we talked for a while. Some of what he was saying made sense, but if he's actually mafia, it would be useful information, since he was pushing certain people quite hard in PM. I'm not sure if I believe Kholly. He's been trolling the whole game, and in my communications with Vivax, he didn't come off as scum to me. So, there's a discrepancy between my own reads and what Kholly's saying, and based on kholly's performance so far, I don't see much of a reason to believe him.

Do you actually think FT is scum? I'm not sure of it.

Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh:
I'm not gonna say this in the thread but Ace worries me a lot and I would be so happy if he was dead. As for S&B, he says he's suspicious of Ace, Sloosh, and layabout. Those are personally fine scum reads in my book but he also jumped on the FT lynch wagon very fast for someone who is supposedly suspicious of Ace. I'm gonna keep trolling the thread for a while but I'm really interested to see who keeps pushing FT now that Ace has revealed he was lying.

What are your thoughts? If you think S&B is really that scummy you should analyze his ass.

Original Message From Mr. Wiggles:
What are your thoughts on Strongandbig? What are your thoughts on the lynch today? What do you think of Ace's trolling?

Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh:
Yeah my alignment is gonna be wifom for you atm and for that I apologize, I'm town but I don't expect you to believe that. My behavior is a result of me genuinely missing the beginning of the game so I decided just to go balls out and play my scum meta until someone noticed. I was really hoping you would get a wagon started because I look like such lynchbait but that didn't happen.

I'm fairly certain VE is town. I've tried to kill him multiple times for similar behavior and he has an annoying knack for flipping town. I also don't think Tofu is scum, I just get a townie vibe from him and his posts thus far seem very genuine and not at all the way DrH is portraying them. I wouldn't at all mind seeing DrH dead since he's just being so toxic which is why I'm voting him. That and I'm really not too motivated to try and whip up an entirely new lynch in the waning hours before the deadline.

I am currently extremely concerned by sandroba's absence, I was actually planning on PMing him right off the bat but he's been afk and that makes me nervous. Aside from him there are an irritating number of inactive people.

I have to be perfectly honest, I have not been reading this game very carefully thus far, I was hoping I could get a wagon started on me and thus maybe catch a few scum being sloppy bandwagoners but that didn't pan out. The issue is the longer I play this way, the more legitimate the case against me will become so sometime tonight I'm gonna have to invest some time in so I'm properly caught up.

As for possible scum reads, at the moment I have layabout since he's been jumping back and forth on reads basically depending on who is active in the thread. He promised a case on vivax and then never followed through.

I'm not vivax's special friend, you're the only person I've masoned thus far.

Original Message From Mr. Wiggles:
I'm not too sure. I'm not really convinced at the moment either of Dr. H or Tofu are scum, at least not enough to lynch them. I felt like the VE case was alright, but as we get closer to the deadline and how people are acting about it, I'm less sure. Lynching someone like Malongo feels like a waste and a coinflip.

I'm a bit back and forth on Strongandbig, and someone else who's sticking out to me a bit now that I'm looking at more filters is Hiro. He's playing very neutrally and making an effort to explain things or ask questions while not really doing too much. For example, he hasn't offered much on who the thinks scum are besides quite lightly pushing Sloosh, but not putting too much effort into getting him lynched. He says he thinks sloosh is scum, votes for him, but in his later posts never mentions him again, even though he isn't leading in votes. It makes it seem like he doesn't care that much who gets lynched.

So, probably one of those two. Strongandbig I'm going back and forth on, and after reading again, Hiro looks scummy.

A better question, is who do you think is scum? If your behaviour is on purpose to see who would call you scum, how am I supposed to think you're town? It's quite WIFOM-y isn't it?

Are you Vivax's special friend?
Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh:
So you're the only person who noticed I was basically playing my scum meta so you're smart enough for me to PM. If you could lynch someone other than me who would it be?

Also keep pushing me in the thread, I'd rather you not reveal I've PM'd you.

Original Message From raynpelikoneet:
So SnB, Oats, Wiggles and who are scum?
Can you fwd me the PM's with Wiggles?

I am pretty busy tomorrw, but tha latter part of dayphase i will be online much. Too much work, today was 20 hours. I could only post on breaks. :E

Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh:
I have PMs from wiggles, I think he's scum. Marv is probably SK. Its not gonna be too hard to go through the thread and figure it out from there. I'll send more when I get home.

Original Message From raynpelikoneet:
Sorry i have not had much time for PM's. Fine, let's solve this. What was on your mind?

Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh:
let's solve the game.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

July 25 2013 18:07 GMT

#1170

Mr Wiggles are you finally done playing with your thumbs?

strongandbig

United States4858 Posts

July 25 2013 18:12 GMT

#1171

Your faces are full of bullshit. What am I supposed to be doing when people are trying to kill me without even telling me what I can defend myself against?

Korynne

Canada990 Posts

July 25 2013 18:55 GMT

#1172

On July 25 2013 21:39 Koshi wrote:
Could it be that Vivax was so right about his targets and marv so wrong? I think that this is unlikely. That is why I still want SnB to be lynched today. We need to follow Vivax guys, he is still town MVP and he has been death after night 1...

So I suggest we lynch SnB, a guy who we ALL suspect for being scum. I am going to keep following Vivax, I want you all to keep doing that.

My opinion on MZ/marv as a lynch target for today:
MZ should never get lynched today. The only thing we have against him is a message from a flipped scum player, that claims that one of MZ/marv is "different". That's nothing really. We do not have a better chance on finding scum in MZ than SnB.
marv is still a big red target for me, but I want to go SnB first to keep on track with what Vivax told me. If SnB turns red, then we all have to remember what Vivax told us about the hesitance of marv to go after SnB.

I don't understand what you and Rayn are up to. I agree that SnB looks scummy! But you seem to have read the conversation wrong. We have a message from a flipped TOWN COP that Marv/MZ is different (the flipped scum just called Marv an SK).
THAT IS TOTALLY 100% GUARANTEED UNLESS TOWN COP IS TROLLING US.

You can't just stick to Vivax. He's dead. New things have happened. Everyone needs to adapt to new information. Yes SnB looks scummy but one of Marv/MZ is confirmed anti-town. AND if one of them is the SK that reduces night KP by 1!!!

Pros of killing Marv/MZ:
- One of them is CONFIRMED anti-town, you guys know what confirmed means right? >_<
- The anti-town member could have a scum role, or be an SK (SnB is vanilla scum at best after the shot at Ace)

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

July 25 2013 19:29 GMT

#1173

On July 26 2013 03:55 Korynne wrote:

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See, I don't agree. SnB looks extremely scummy no matter what check.
What if scum has a framer?
What if 1 out marv/mz is a miller?

We want to lynch scum right? Like I said, going 50/50 on marv/MZ is not our best lynch. There is a chance that one is scum and the other the SK obviously and we get a good lynch no matter what. Or maybe both are scum and 1 is the godfather but that is as unlikely as both flipping town.

My opinion is that we kill our best scum target in SnB. After that we can take a look at all other players.

Or could people tell me why SnB is not scummy?

marvellosity

United Kingdom36160 Posts

July 25 2013 19:38 GMT

#1174

On July 26 2013 03:55 Korynne wrote:

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I don't understand what you and Rayn are up to. I agree that SnB looks scummy! But you seem to have read the conversation wrong. We have a message from a flipped TOWN COP that Marv/MZ is different (the flipped scum just called Marv an SK).
THAT IS TOTALLY 100% GUARANTEED UNLESS TOWN COP IS TROLLING US.

You can't just stick to Vivax. He's dead. New things have happened. Everyone needs to adapt to new information. Yes SnB looks scummy but one of Marv/MZ is confirmed anti-town. AND if one of them is the SK that reduces night KP by 1!!!

Pros of killing Marv/MZ:
- One of them is CONFIRMED anti-town, you guys know what confirmed means right? >_<
- The anti-town member could have a scum role, or be an SK (SnB is vanilla scum at best after the shot at Ace)

There's such a thing as a framer you know. Jeez Louise.

I had someone tell me they're a parity cop checked me and Firm on n1 and n3 and we returned same. How does that sound to ya?

Korynne

Canada990 Posts

July 25 2013 20:00 GMT

#1175

Yeah the way people play mafia the simplest explanation is usually true. Layabout first claimed he spoke to the cop but turns out he is the cop. VE and FT both were the roles they claimed.

What are the chances, out of this many people, that the framer got the right guy? Layabout claimed to me after he did his first two checks I don't think anybody even knew there was a parity cop.

It's like, at least 10x more likely that we have an SK (because of what Sloosh did) than having a framer AND the framer getting the right target.

marvellosity

United Kingdom36160 Posts

July 25 2013 20:09 GMT

#1176

So the person I'm talking to is mafia bullshitting me?

I've framed a target correctly in a game larger than this on N2. Just sayin' like

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

July 25 2013 22:37 GMT

#1177

Sweet! Amidst all this confusion I forgot we had a perfectly good SnB to lynch.

##vote snb

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

July 26 2013 00:17 GMT

#1178

Korynne so which one of marv/MZ do we lynch? And why?
You seem to want to lynch into them, at least tell which one them. And what makes that person not town.

Korynne

Canada990 Posts

July 26 2013 00:41 GMT

#1179

MZ. Look at first day voting.

Scum on the VE train to get away from Sloosh, why didn't they swap over to MZ after the claim? SnB included. He was like, I see your claim and fuck you. Lynching MZ was way more credible but doesnt seem like they went for it. This was what me and layabout talked about, in his dying moments.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

July 26 2013 01:24 GMT

#1180

I still think SnB is just a convienent mislynch for scum. People have been pushing for his lynch all game and in medium-ish numbers. Just about the right number for scum to be pushing it. The fact that people are hanging onto his shot like some scum-claim is crazy to me.

QUOTE]On July 25 2013 13:02 VayneAuthority wrote:

On July 25 2013 12:49 Oatsmaster wrote:

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Or not me, but lets just assume that Im scum for undisclosed reasons shall we..

MZ, why should we lynch Marv and not you?

Actually I have a decent theory, lets see how MZ reacts to it.

Since marv posted those logs I have come to the conclusion that I do not think he is playing for scum. It's really just unnecessary extra work and effort and the more I think about it, the more I feel stupid that I considered it an option.

Now with the extra information we have from rayn that there is a potential rat that fed layabout to scum I think we can deduce scum shot at the least layabout.

Now if there is an SK and marv is it, who is he shooting for tonight if he's not going to play nice with scum? He's going to shoot scum.

Who has he been pushing lately?

Oh that's right. Kholly, the guy he just shot.

Depending on how MZ reacts to this I could switch my vote because it makes sense in my head.[/QUOTE]

This makes the most sense to me so I'm gonna be voting for marv. If anything crazy happens ill be following the thread loosely as I have mediocre wifi here.

##unvote

##vote:Marv

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