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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
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Gotard
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
As mafia, Stim doesn't really have any other options because he can't explain his actions. He also can't just ignore them after two votes. He just might survive if he acts really emotional, so thats what he's doing (and it's working very well, might I add). | ||
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Gotard
Poland446 Posts
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
On July 13 2013 21:19 Chromatically wrote: He just might survive if he acts really emotional, so thats what he's doing (and it's working very well, might I add). Please read my above post again, that's what I just explained. Faking anger as mafia is beneficial because it pushes suspicion away from him, like its doing now. | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
I read the thread once now and my initial (this is without using filters, just reading all the posts) is that H.Sponge build enough town kred to not get lynched day 1 no matter what. I loved his opening post, and I loved his defense on that post. Even if he is scum, he has been very helpful to town, and every town should go and read that opening post. Scum reads are on Umasi and Chroma. Umasi because his entire early posts were just sucking up to H.Sponge, which is just not useful at all, H. Sponge clearly doesn't need to be defended like this. Another thing I dont like about Umasi is him trying to redirect the thread twice for a Superfluous train on a rather useless moment. Superfluous entered the thread with a bad post, but went afk after, which is not a clear scumread. Not enough the get a train going, and make the rest of the day useless. Chroma is currently tunneling so heavily on StiMaDDict. The guy is afk, treat him as an afk bad town till he comes back. It is a good thing to spark some conversation around StiMaDDict, but at this point I feel that Chroma is derailing more than necessarily. It's just tunneling into oblivion. I start filtering now: Reading Chroma his filter I get a serious scum vibe. Post like this: On July 13 2013 11:39 Chromatically wrote: Also just noticed that Sponge hasn't given a single opinion on anyone all game after saying that he wanted people to judge him on his scumhunting, interesting. This is just being a jack-ass, at least it would be if you say things like this in real life. In mafia it is trying to put suspicion onto somebody without saying anything. I haven't crosschecked this message with the referring Sponge message but it feels dirty. What was your intention while typing this down Chromo? @ Chromo, Do you agree that this is a very suspicious post? And explain to me why it is "interesting" that Sponge likes to have interaction on his scumreads while playing this game? Reading Umasi his filter after the Chroma filter makes me want to lynch one of these 2 guys. Umasi and Chroma are either bromancing it up on the stimaddict lynch, or they are both scum. Here is Umasi his game till now: --> Defend Sponge while pushing lynch on Superfluous. --> Argue with Sponge about Chroma while pusing a lynch on StiMaDDict. | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
Where is the town motivation in lying about motivations and then ragequitting . Its not a surefire thing, but it's pretty strong. I wrote that post to point out that Sponge isn't scumhunting so that people could comment or look further into him. Ive been clearly the most active scumhunter this game, I don't know why anyone would have a scum read on me. | ||
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Gotard
Poland446 Posts
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
That's what he gains. | ||
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Gotard
Poland446 Posts
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
There's a difference between tunneling and pushing your read. I don't understand why people have town reads on Stim, so I'm asking them and trying to convince them. | ||
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Gotard
Poland446 Posts
On July 13 2013 21:54 Koshi wrote: Chroma is currently tunneling so heavily on StiMaDDict. The guy is afk, treat him as an afk bad town till he comes back. It is a good thing to spark some conversation around StiMaDDict, but at this point I feel that Chroma is derailing more than necessarily. It's just tunneling into oblivion. There are two side of things: -Tunneling like that doesn't benefit town that much because all of the focus goes to stim and obviously gives some chance to lynch a townie (assuming stim is townie). -But on the other hand starting a bandwagon is necessary to see who is who and lynch someone at the end of the day. To be honest I don't see mafia tunneling so hard on him because if we decide to lynch him and he flips town Chromatically might be next in the line. I'd expect more calculated movement form mafia. On July 13 2013 21:54 Koshi wrote: Umasi because his entire early posts were just sucking up to H.Sponge, which is just not useful at all, H. Sponge clearly doesn't need to be defended like this. Another thing I dont like about Umasi is him trying to redirect the thread twice for a Superfluous train on a rather useless moment. Superfluous entered the thread with a bad post, but went afk after, which is not a clear scumread. Not enough the get a train going, and make the rest of the day useless. I've learned a thing when I played last game with Umasi: He's confusing as hell and you can never be sure about him  But right now I can see him trying to push things without overreacting which is pro town.On July 13 2013 23:07 Chromatically wrote: He needs to explain himself and his actions. There's absolutely no reason for him to afk all day if he's town, do you agree? There's a difference between tunneling and pushing your read. I don't understand why people have town reads on Stim, so I'm asking them and trying to convince them. But there is no reason for pushing him when he's afk and he won't respond to your accusations. you can focus on something else and go back to him later. You can always try to lynch him at the end of the day when you won't have any better reads. | ||
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Superfluous
United States70 Posts
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
As far as I am concerned that is a red mark against Stim. During the course of the game everyone gets red marks against them. The important thing is to look at each red mark and ask 'Could that have come from a town position?'. In this case I think it could of come from a town position, based on my earlier assumption that Stim took the original post too seriously and later tried to invent justification for his posts based on a less serious early position. A red mark, but not enough to make me highly confident that he is scum. The other important thing about red marks is to get a feel for how many there are compared to green marks and posts in general. This is where the martyring is a problem, as we need Stim to continue to contribute. @Stim, I suggest that you move on. Instead of discussing what has already happened, dive some filters and form the best reads that you can. Then post your reads, showing as much of your reasoning as you can. This will give us new things to discuss with you, so that you do not have to keep talking about that happened yesterday. If you do not post again then the red mark will still be there but there will not be any green marks to balance it. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
I indeed agree with hzflank that you need to pick up your courage and start playing this game again. Take that martyr vote of yourself and put it on somebody that you believe is scummier than yourself. Keeping that martyr vote on yourself is actually the worst thing that you have done in my eyes, because if you are town, you take a vote away and put it on a possible mafia scapegoat. @Chromatically That was my first impression of this thread. You did some good scumhunting before and you made a good read somewhere, I noted it down but forgot about what it was. I think I dislike the outcome of the Stimaddict pressure more than you actually pushing him. Chroma, what do you feel about Umasi? | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On July 13 2013 23:56 Superfluous wrote: I'd still like to here some more from Hzflank Anything specific? On July 13 2013 12:24 Superfluous wrote: Right now my biggest scum read is HZflank, because I still think Umasi is doing mostly pro town moves yet hz says its scummy. I disagree. When I made that post Umasi had not really done anything that I thought was pro town. He may have since been pro town, but I am not finished with my catch up and analysis so I will comment on that later. Additionally, I think my original point on Umasi was a good one at the time it was posted. On July 13 2013 12:24 Superfluous wrote: He also had an early post or two that distracted somewhat from the discussion, which I'm always suspicious of. I disagree again. My first three posts might be viewed that way, but in fact we were trying to stimulate discussion at the time and I believe that it was beneficial to make those posts in the hope of starting more discussion. From what I can tell, your thought process was: Super thinks that Umasi is town and hzflank thinks Umasi was scummy, therefore Super thinks that hzflank is scummy. Now Super needs to add reasons for why he thinks hzflank is scummy because Super's read should not be based on that weak day 1 association. You may notice that since the conversation really started to flow in the way that we want it to, I have not made many posts but every single post I have made is dedicated to finding scum. Yet, of all the people you could find scummy for posting distractions you chose me. Please tell me where I am wrong? To be specific, I do not believe your reasons for having me as your biggest scum read and I want to understand how I actually came to be your biggest scum read. | ||
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StiMaDDict
Korea (South)313 Posts
I fucked up. @Chromatically: You let me down and I let you down. I don't really know. I had a shitty day. I was pissed off at other things and I tried to let my stresses go away by posting on here. Then you blew it. Your nitpicking on whether I was angry or not and whether I was lying or not was really under my expectation. I think I gave you WAY TOO much credit from last game. Also you keep saying that I can't explain my so-called lie, but I did, god damn it. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 12:19 StiMaDDict wrote: This. Pretty much repeating what Xzavier did in the last game, calling everyone retard, was from me being genuinely mad. Overall attitude in my posts and impolite words in them were for the purpose I have stated. Do note: I'm not a good actor and I am not sure whether there was a clear boundary between me being mad because of quotes and spoilers and pretending to be mad at Rainbow. I was not bothered by Rainbow's pressure to put it simply and it is not in my best interest to lie about this. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 12:24 StiMaDDict wrote: My previous post looks confusing. 1) I was mad at messing up posts but not at Rainbow 2) My anger reflected on my posts 3) Later when I realized that my posts were angry sounding I gave them purposes and maintain similar style. I hope this explains it better. Not sure if this is a relevant topic though. First one wasn't clear enough so I wrote the second. I had a shitty day, alright, so I wrote some cuss words on the Internet. It wasn't something that I was proud of but it happened. So I tried to cover it up as if it was intentional with purposes and purposes they did accomplished. If you want to argue about when I came up with the idea, well, why don't dissect my brain and see. Gosh, you pissed me off. @jkirby: What you doing? + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 07:41 jrkirby wrote: Ok. I've been studying this long and hard, and I think I have enough evidence to make a clear case. hzflank is scum Clearly, hzflank is lying about this compliment. Liars are always scum. And look who he's talking to: the scum coach. Obviously he's in league with them. He goes on, still talking to the scum: This is an obvious admission that he wants town to die. Anyone who wants town to die is scum, end of story. I will. Right here, right now. And for his first post: He's trying to get us to sheep together and follow a Bandwagon instead of looking for evidence and finding scum. Finally: Trying to defend one of the scum who is planning to lurk. You can't ignore all this evidence guys. hzflank is scum. ##Vote: hzflank He makes a pressure vote on hzflank and he never followed up on it at all. Yes, it did create a discussion between Rainbow and I, but not much from hzflank. He never provided his motive, explanation, or response after he made that one post. We know he was around when Rainbow and I were duking it out. Am I the only crazy one here and it's a normal thing to do with a pressure vote? If the purpose of the pressure vote is create a discussion why didn't he take a part? He takes it down couple of pages later basic saying that it didn't do much except getting some discussion. jkirby on Hurricane is basically this in my eyes: Your first post makes you look town. I think you post this AS A SCUM. If you are not, then show us your other post. Darn, it's too late now. I follow the thought process but it doesn't do much. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 09:35 jrkirby wrote: "For all we know, THIS could be his scum post." That's exactly what I was trying to get information on. Here was my reasoning: if this is his scum post, then he won't HAVE a real scum post. But it's been long enough that he could've written another one by now, so no point in pushing it anymore. No, this is my second game, kinda. This starts jkirby's trend of hedging. He drops the pressure as soon as he feels as it has been too long and Sponge could've written a copy. He doesn't say Sponge is a town or scum because of this, which I find disturbing. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 09:46 jrkirby wrote: Me - "It's been long enough that he could've written another one by now." If he had posted one immediately after I had asked it means something different than if he posts one an hour or two after I asked. Superfluous's post & lurk is bad, but give him a bit, he might show back up. Umasi feels the same way it seems. Another excuse and nothing to indicate how he feels about Sponge as a result. The bold part is another hedging. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 09:58 jrkirby wrote: I think it's foolish to PLAN to not lynch day one. But if I have a choice of lynching someone that I townread, and lynching no one, I will try to lynch no one. I hope other people would follow suit. This is his opinion. I don't agree with persay but it isn't really alignment indicative. It isn't a strong expression of opinion to be honest, just a "wish" (I added this because I didn't want to only pick out scummy things jkirby said and ignore rest of his filter) + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 10:13 jrkirby wrote: Koshi Xzavier Nightcat99 Gotard cloud-9 These players haven't posted anything/enough in my opinion. It's only been a couple hours, so you might be asleep/ at work. But just a PSA, these are currently "lurkers". Doesn't reveal his view on lurkers but just "throw" the topic of lurkers out on the table. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 10:22 jrkirby wrote: Well, this game is majority lynch, so voting for the "scummiest" person could be what causes a lynch not to happen. I'm pretty sure scum wouldn't mind lynching town either. General common sense. It's just me but I don't like this semi-joking statement. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 10:32 jrkirby wrote: Honestly? I have real trouble seeing scum until I see voting patterns. I'm slightly more suspicious of Sponge, Umasi, and Rainbows than the rest. Sponge I've stated my reasons for. I don't really trust my read on Rainbows because [meta here] I thought he was scum last time I played with him and he wasn't. Umasi just reads a bit ornery, so that could be the reason for my weak read. My vote on hzflank was kinda a combo of joke/pressure as you guys pointed out. It got a bit of discussion, but didn't get much of a rise out of hzflank, who I currently have null read on. I guess I should unvote him now, since the pressure obviously didn't do too much. ##unvote: hzflank A list of suspicion list that doesn't have "legitimate" reasons or evidence. So he does feel suspicious about Sponge afterall about him not sharing his opening post in time, I'm assuming. About Rainbow, I am not sure. He words in a confusing way. In last game, jkirby thought Rainbow was scum but he was a town. So in this game he thinks Rainbow is a town but he could be a scum or vise versa? Concerning Umasi, his reasoning it not satisfying either. Also he doubts his ability to read other people. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 11:03 Chromatically wrote: Why are you suspicious of Rainbows? What do you think about Super? Chromatically followed up asking why jkirby is suspicious of Rainbow and what he thinks of Super. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 11:56 StiMaDDict wrote: Waiting on jkirby's response to Chromatically's question. I had same question as Chromatically and brought it back up. At the end, he still hasn't answered it at the time of me posting this. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 10:47 jrkirby wrote: Anyone think this could be a scumslip? He seems the kind that might want to subtly brag about it if he were scum. I can never figure out when people are joking and not. This is just really fucking weak and gets on my nerve. If it is a joke, then fuck me. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 10:58 jrkirby wrote: He said he couldn't be in here at the beginning before the game started, right? No real reason to have suspicion on the lurkers yet, just note that they're lurking. This is pretty fucking bad. Protecting a lurker when he was the one to bring up the topic at all. I don't know what he is trying to do, but then again, I'm fucked up pretty hard with my playstyle.. Anyway, protecting not just one lurker but pretty much all of them and making an excuse for them makes me think he is a scum. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 13:21 jrkirby wrote: Cool it dude. For all you know, the people voting for you could be scum trying to get you riled up. Just calm down, post reads, question things, and have a good game. You won't play your best when you're tilting. You're in no way doomed right now. I guess I should thanks for his kind words (?) but as Chromatically has pointed out, he is trying to pat me on the head as if he is saying, "Chromatically and Umasi could scum you know. Come here, you poor baby." + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 13:31 jrkirby wrote: 2 votes land on a guy is quick succession, I'd be stupid if I weren't at least a BIT suspicious. As far as I can tell, stim is just acting like a bit of an idiot, is flustered, and frustrated. Doesn't seem like scumtell to me. You're free to have your vote, and I don't have a solid scumread on either of you, but I will be looking a bit more closely at your filters. No stand or point whatsoever. I'm not a scum. Chromatically and Umasi are not scum, but they are "bit" suspicious. What is your stance man? Stop hedging. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 13:38 jrkirby wrote: I don't think he's town. I think he's stupid, and have a nullread. Well thanks, I think I'm stupid too. I'm not a town but you have a nullread on me? What was the purpose of writing above two posts then? Confused and scummy. I am not liking how he is dealing with me blowing up. He seems to be neither or both defending and pressuring in this situation. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 13:42 jrkirby wrote: I don't think he's thinking through what he's saying. His actions don't seem town because they're foolish from every way you look at them. But that doesn't make him clearly scum. Hedging. Period. Conclusion: jkirby is my biggest scumread atm. He seems to be Onegue from XLII. Acting as if he is contributing but without actual content. He is not really expressing his reads and tend much more to hedge. He has not established a strong stance as a town and hasn't given clear reasons for his suspicion. ##Vote: jkirby | ||
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
From what I can tell, my involvement in it aside, there seems to be two forces at work here. Chromatically and Umasi, Chrom specifically, want to lynch the ever-living crap out of Stim. Then, there seems to be the counter-movement of dudes after the fact, that are screaming not to lynch Stim and that he's just a baddie. Useful to see the two sides cropping up, because if Stim is town, you'd think all 3 scum would be like "sup son, lynch the dude". Rule #1: Never lynch the most outspoken, emotional guy on D1. If he doesn't pick up his game and give reads, etc., I'm fine with hanging him at this point because he could be scum, but is otherwise useless and we gain information from the flip. Until the remainder second half of day 1 gets rolling into full force, I'll consider his lynch. A meh lynch at this point. What the fuck is this? On July 13 2013 21:54 Koshi wrote: I am from Belgium guys, This game started at 12PM and I was tired after a working week. I read the thread once now and my initial (this is without using filters, just reading all the posts) is that H.Sponge build enough town kred to not get lynched day 1 no matter what. I loved his opening post, and I loved his defense on that post. Even if he is scum, he has been very helpful to town, and every town should go and read that opening post. Scum reads are on Umasi and Chroma. Umasi because his entire early posts were just sucking up to H.Sponge, which is just not useful at all, H. Sponge clearly doesn't need to be defended like this. Another thing I dont like about Umasi is him trying to redirect the thread twice for a Superfluous train on a rather useless moment. Superfluous entered the thread with a bad post, but went afk after, which is not a clear scumread. Not enough the get a train going, and make the rest of the day useless. Chroma is currently tunneling so heavily on StiMaDDict. The guy is afk, treat him as an afk bad town till he comes back. It is a good thing to spark some conversation around StiMaDDict, but at this point I feel that Chroma is derailing more than necessarily. It's just tunneling into oblivion. I start filtering now: Reading Chroma his filter I get a serious scum vibe. Post like this: This is just being a jack-ass, at least it would be if you say things like this in real life. In mafia it is trying to put suspicion onto somebody without saying anything. I haven't crosschecked this message with the referring Sponge message but it feels dirty. What was your intention while typing this down Chromo? @ Chromo, Do you agree that this is a very suspicious post? And explain to me why it is "interesting" that Sponge likes to have interaction on his scumreads while playing this game? Reading Umasi his filter after the Chroma filter makes me want to lynch one of these 2 guys. Umasi and Chroma are either bromancing it up on the stimaddict lynch, or they are both scum. Here is Umasi his game till now: --> Defend Sponge while pushing lynch on Superfluous. --> Argue with Sponge about Chroma while pusing a lynch on StiMaDDict. What is this clause trying to achieve? You say If sponge is Scum, his posts are helping town and we should listen to him. Lulwut? | ||
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StiMaDDict
Korea (South)313 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=412757¤tpage=82#1630 + Show Spoiler + Good guy, Blazinghand. I wish to show my gratitude to him for calming me down and convincing me to keep playing. | ||
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