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On July 12 2013 04:39 Ace wrote:
in a rush but @austin: why the vote for jamp? I may have missed it but explain it to me. Who were you going to vote for originally?
I should be back before deadline Was on DI, but now he's getting nuked.
Have been scummy on jampi all day, moreso than on maju. Maju actually was kinda null for me. There's been this recent rash of talk about him, but frankly, all the claims and power usages are making it hard to zero in on what posts I like and dislike in the last 18 hours or so. Given that jampi hasn't done anything to assuage my scumread...happy to vote there for now. If I can get my head on straight and make sense of things that may change.
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On July 12 2013 04:41 geript wrote:
@Xatalos... so you're trying to say that I'm bad for shooting down the nuke that saves Maju because it forced us to vote for Jampi instead of Maju? You agree that both aren't likely scum correct?
Read this:
On July 12 2013 03:44 Xatalos wrote:
I just had a great idea.
Let's see the situation again:
Option 1
MajuGarzett
VayneAuthority
jampidampi
Option 2
MajuGarzett
VayneAuthority
jampidampi
Option 3
MajuGarzett
VayneAuthority
jampidampi
Option 4
MajuGarzett
VayneAuthority
jampidampi
If we kill MajuGarzett and jampidampi, VayneAuthority is still somewhat likely a question mark after the flips. If MajuGarzett flips green and jampidampi flips red, it's pretty hard to say if VayneAuthority is town or scum. I think both of them flipping green is pretty unlikely, so likely only if MajuGarzett flips red and jampidampi flips green do we know that VayneAuthority is likely town.
There's an easy solution to this however. If we lynch VayneAuthority and let the nuke on jampidampi land, we will almost certainly know MajuGarzett's alignment. If there are 1-2 scum among VayneAuthority and jampidampi, MajuGarzett is most likely town. If there are no scum among VayneAuthority and jampidampi, MajuGarzett is most likely scum. Then Ace (or someone else) can just nuke the crap out of him after the daypost.
I'm starting to get pretty confident that there is at least one scum among VayneAuthority and jampidampi though. Especially jampidampi is looking suspicious with randomly claiming the already-revealed Immune One role PM after he was nuked. There are tons of that particular role around, it seems, and jampidampi is the most scummy of these claims (-> the most likely one to have fakeclaimed - or just be a scum Immune One).
So basically:
1) There's most likely at least 1 scum among VayneAuthority and jampidampi.
2) If that's the case, then MajuGarzett is most likely town.
3) Even if both VayneAuthority and jampidampi are town (unlikely), we can just nuke MajuGarzett since he's most likely scum in that case.
4) If we lynch MajuGarzett instead of VayneAuthority, we will likely have no idea about VayneAuthority's alignment after the flips and worse still, we have a higher risk of mislynching.
With that said:
##Unvote
##Vote VayneAuthority
We should have killed VA+jampidampi (getting at least 1 scum very likely, and as a bonus we would know MajuGarzett's alignment with good probability).
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
NUCLEAR DEFENSE ACTIVATED![[image loading]](http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/9d/59/9d59ee4c396c190f951f9ad14c760326.jpg?itok=2WVE4oB0)
The nuke heading towards jampidampi has been shot down from the sky.
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Now we should lynch jampidampi IMO. Seems like our best bet to lynch scum out of these 3 (and his red flip would somewhat clear MajuGarzett to make our jobs easier). I also want to see if jampidampi's claim was true or not.
1) To get a better read on strongandbig
2) there's a small chance that jampidampi and MG are scum together and MG shot a Radiation nuke at jampidampi, if the claim was true then that's a possibility
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Hmm. A lot of potential information is lost by that defense. Meh.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
CHECKING COORDINATES......
Ace (0): Xatalos, FirmTofu
jampidampi (2): FirmTofu, Chezinu, austinmcc, Xatalos
austinmcc (0): Oatsmaster
XigXag (0): austinmcc, [UoN]Sentinel, WaveofShadow
MajuGarzett (8): VayneAuthority, Xatalos, [UoN]Sentinel, jampidampi, WaveofShadow, geript, Ace, Alakaslam, Koshi, johnnywup, Alakaslam
VayneAuthority (3): MajuGarzett, Alakaslam, Chezinu, strongandbig, Xatalos, FirmTofu
[UoN]Sentinel (1): CaucasianAsian
FirmTofu (0): Alakaslam
CONFIRMING COORDINATES: MajuGarzett is set to be obliterated!
Obliteration will occur at: 21:59 GMT (+00:00) which arrives in
Nukes can no longer be fired.
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On July 12 2013 04:40 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 04:30 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 12 2013 04:06 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 12 2013 04:03 Z-BosoN wrote:Veyne might be trying to smarty us as scum. I said I wanted to "Save him for later" in d1 because I thought he claimed cop: On July 07 2013 09:48 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 07 2013 09:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 07 2013 09:41 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 07 2013 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 07 2013 09:39 VayneAuthority wrote:
doesn't Z-boson just look like a name that's going to flip scum? Do you have anything to say about anything related to the game? what in particular? The chezinu nuke already is weird but we havent seen any flips yet. You were perfectly capable of giving analysis on D1 in Basterd mafia. I expect you a capable doing that here aswell. I'll take a raincheck on that then. I have commented on everything I found interesting so far so I guess I should close the thread now as I'm just spamming at this point. raincheck = Rayne Check! This is more or less confirmed by his reaction to rayne's lying: On July 09 2013 11:53 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 09 2013 07:08 VayneAuthority wrote:
dandel, gumshoe, ghost, onegu.... I think rayn is town he just messed up. I thought ON might be scum too but wasn't sure enough of it to vote for that those are the 4 im looking at heavily after the voting. All 3 of them gave absolutely zero reason to flip onto ON last second Now, at a time when rayne is under heavy pressure he just nonchallantly dismisses it as "meh. He's town but messed up"... This really tells us that he's confident about it because of the "rain check" And now he tries to claim as kenpachi? Erm.... I feel something is wrong here Lol, I've played about 5 or so games with rayne now, we are much better at reading each other. When he's that active and doing crazy shit, he's town. Then why did you not pronounce yourself when Rayne was being bombarded by Ace , MZ and a few others, and help defend someone you were pretty sure was town? Why did you only mention him once being pressured? what the hell are you talking about? I told people multiple times to stop the rayn nonsense, people listening was a different story. Don't make shit up or we have nothing to talk about here.
Wait, you clearly wanted the rayne thing to stop, but because you were angry it clogged up discussion. This is pretty clear from both these posts that followed:
On July 09 2013 22:18 VayneAuthority wrote:
We should probably give this rayn thing a rest for a bit as its killing discussion before the night post. People that have a chance to die should really throw out some reads/cases before they are gone.
I really need people's opinions on these three men, as I think they are all scum.
gumshoe, ghost, onegu
They don't have time to post anything meaningful in the thread but are able to show up last second and ninjavote for ON? Especially gumshoe who I know is much more capable than this.
On July 10 2013 04:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
I cant believe how long this rayn thing has gone on. If I didn't know better its just scum talking to each other and completely shutting down all discussion but that is not the correct answer.
Nowhere (correct me if I'm wrong) did you mention that "rayne does this type of shit as town all the time" during the discussion on his shenanigans, or express your supposed confidence that he was town. Only after he died, you go ahead and say that you knew this all along:
On July 10 2013 07:09 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 07:08 Xatalos wrote:
Two kills? So scum got a Vigi or something? I dearly hope that one of those wasn't a town kill....
I'm really surprised by rayn though since he was getting a lot of flak tonight. And especially that I live still. Well, it's a relief I guess. He was pretty clearly town after all he did the first day. Since roulette I have become much better at understanding his motives. We just have to decide if these dudes were right with their conspiracy theory or if scum is just trying to throw us off
I dunno, I think that if I thought someone was "pretty clearly town" I'd be more insistent on defending said person, instead of simply saying "hey, let's stop talking about him".
Answer me one thing, just to be clear. You said that you dunno if it's just scum trying to clog up the thread, in the bolded part. Who are you referring to?
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fucking hell geript
dip-shit
there are clearly anonymous scum nukes targeting strong town players if you have a town defense why in the hell would you not save it to stop the anonymous scum nukes on townies.
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On July 12 2013 02:37 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 02:35 strongandbig wrote:On July 12 2013 02:28 FirmTofu wrote:
@strongandbig
If you are gonna claim, then claim. Don't fucking soft-claim and let everyone talk about it for 2 hours before you come out and own up to it. Fuck. how is that soft derpburgler Ok, let me make this easy for you. Is your role the Immune One?
D3RP
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On July 12 2013 02:43 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 02:39 austinmcc wrote:On July 12 2013 02:26 geript wrote:On July 12 2013 02:21 austinmcc wrote:
Read through, not entirely processed.
I don't think someone being immune one = them being town. I actually thought Onegu was crumbing some kind of radiation medic, he seemed to know how radiation worked, how it killed, but claimed no nuke. That role seemed very townie to me.
For no raisin, I'm assuming that with some of these roles that exist in multiples, some of there were assigned to scum. But if we start seeing 3 people claiming 48-hour unstable nukes, immune ones, defense grids, etc. then I think it's ALMOST a listcheck saying someone in that bunch is scum. Immune one a perfectly fine mafia role tbh, if they have any radiation nukes they can drop em on townies OR on a known immune one and use it as extra KP from thereon out, irradiating people.
As best as I can tell...Ace is not nuked anymore, and was given a nuke by an unknown. Maju had a nuke, and used it on jampi? He did not claim it until recently, and did not say whether he has had it the whole time or how it came into being? And also...sentinel nuked DI/XigXag, but did not claim from whence his nuke came? Is that...the nuking story as it sits right now? You people make me sad.... but I like this post. I had the idea of a using the roles as a listcheck, but I'm pretty sure artanis is a bastard host so it wouldn't be that worthwhile. Talk to sleeping austin and working austin about that. Lotta stuff went down in a small period of time. I don't care whether artanis is a bastard host or not, some of these roles most certainly exist on both sides (or people are just fake claiming). For instance, in game where ZERO people have claimed radiation nukes, we have 3-4 people claiming immune one. I read that as some people fake claiming, and an indicator that radiation nukes are a scum (possibly 3P) mechanic. OP also has to go and say "many types of nukes," which may or may not be artanis getting cheeky, but indicates that there should be more than just nukes and radiation nukes. I dunno, I found jampidampi's response to rayn's stuff very scummy. I haven't gone back over all this recent maju stuff, but ... I don't think I'd save him if it were me. Don't believe we've got 4 town immune ones, although maybe 1/2 the thread dies of radiation poisoning tonight and we realize it's a bigger mechanic than we thought. I agree. People are lying about the Immune One claim and we need to address some of these claims. We can't just run around confirming all these people because they claim. I think jampidampi has the weakest claim and SnB comes up at a close second for worst claim. The only reason I'm a little hesitant to say SnB is lying is because he really had no reason to claim if he was scum. It unnecessarily draws attention to himself.
bee tee dubs if youre doubting my claim then lo0ok at my posts about gumshoe, i knew there were roles that got power from being nuked before anyone claimed having one
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Hey out of class but still on phone. We need everyone that is on the Vayne wagon to get their asses on the jampidampi wagon now. We've only got 2 hours till lynch so this needs to happen ASAP.
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On July 12 2013 05:05 FirmTofu wrote:
Hey out of class but still on phone. We need everyone that is on the Vayne wagon to get their asses on the jampidampi wagon now. We've only got 2 hours till lynch so this needs to happen ASAP.
Why? Why is Jampi more likely to be scum than Maju?
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Although I hate geripts decision to defend jampidampi, I still think majugarzett is a better lynch than jampi, tofu
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i want to kill vayne
all game his posts have been sounding scummy to me
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Anyone voting maju has to believe that there are at least 4 town-sided immune ones in the game. Do you seriously believe this?
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On July 12 2013 05:10 FirmTofu wrote:
Anyone voting maju has to believe that there are at least 4 town-sided immune ones in the game. Do you seriously believe this?
why would i have to believe that in order to think he's scum?
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Ok. So Maju's filter actually has some bits of trying to analyze and stuff. Jampi's only analysis is pretty much confined to the Rayn stuff which is pretty worthless. Jampi's response to the nuke is definitely not towny, but it's about as much as I would expect from a player like Jampi or IamP. The point is though that Maju literally was at no point trying to decide who to nuke. There's nothing there which even points to that. He doesn't even want to "take credit" for his nuke in getting others opinions almost at the last second. That doesn't add up.
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snb what is your current opinion on austin?
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On July 12 2013 05:10 FirmTofu wrote:
Anyone voting maju has to believe that there are at least 4 town-sided immune ones in the game. Do you seriously believe this? This is false, misleading, and in general theme with a lot of your recent posts. If you can, try to ignore all the claims and all the everything else and just scumhunt normally.
Maybe there are boatloads of immune ones, maybe there aren't. But we don't know which are town and which are scum, and nobody's claim magically makes them town or scum. We should not be using our second lynch of the game as some kind of speculative poke into a group of people claiming a role. We should be using it to lynch someone we think is scum.
Why is maju NOT scum?
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On July 12 2013 05:10 johnnywup wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 05:10 FirmTofu wrote:
Anyone voting maju has to believe that there are at least 4 town-sided immune ones in the game. Do you seriously believe this? why would i have to believe that in order to think he's scum?
Because voting maju means that you declare maju to be more scummy than the most scummy of the immune one claims (jampidampi).
By voting, you not only are making a statement on who is scummy, you are also making a statement on who you don't fin scummy.
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