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On July 12 2013 05:12 geript wrote:
Ok. So Maju's filter actually has some bits of trying to analyze and stuff. Jampi's only analysis is pretty much confined to the Rayn stuff which is pretty worthless. Jampi's response to the nuke is definitely not towny, but it's about as much as I would expect from a player like Jampi or IamP. The point is though that Maju literally was at no point trying to decide who to nuke. There's nothing there which even points to that. He doesn't even want to "take credit" for his nuke in getting others opinions almost at the last second. That doesn't add up.
This post is a bit confusing. What's your conclusion? Lynch MajuGarzett or jampidampi?
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On July 12 2013 05:12 geript wrote:
Ok. So Maju's filter actually has some bits of trying to analyze and stuff. Jampi's only analysis is pretty much confined to the Rayn stuff which is pretty worthless. Jampi's response to the nuke is definitely not towny, but it's about as much as I would expect from a player like Jampi or IamP. The point is though that Maju literally was at no point trying to decide who to nuke. There's nothing there which even points to that. He doesn't even want to "take credit" for his nuke in getting others opinions almost at the last second. That doesn't add up. The timing is butt. But...he was the leading lynch candidate, and had picked up 3 votes within the last chunk.
If he thinks he's actually going to die, and has a nuke, the TOWNIE thing to do is to go "holy balls I have 2 hours town who should I fire this at." The SCUMMY thing to do is fire at whoever he'd like, a strong townie, given that he thinks he's going to die.
Except I think all of this is kind of blown apart by the fact we had multiple missile defense claims so scum can't obvi-nuke someone with time left in day and expect it to work just fine.
I dunno, gut read is that asking frigging town for where to send a nuke is NOT scummy behavior. Not saying he had a nuke earlier is, but...town controlling things is generally in town's favor.
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On July 12 2013 05:12 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 05:10 FirmTofu wrote:
Anyone voting maju has to believe that there are at least 4 town-sided immune ones in the game. Do you seriously believe this? This is false, misleading, and in general theme with a lot of your recent posts. If you can, try to ignore all the claims and all the everything else and just scumhunt normally. Maybe there are boatloads of immune ones, maybe there aren't. But we don't know which are town and which are scum, and nobody's claim magically makes them town or scum. We should not be using our second lynch of the game as some kind of speculative poke into a group of people claiming a role. We should be using it to lynch someone we think is scum. Why is maju NOT scum?
I will get to this as soon as I get on a computer. Read my conversation with Xatalos for a few reasons why. I'm glad you're holding me accountable for this Austin.
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On July 12 2013 05:12 Z-BosoN wrote:
snb what is your current opinion on austin?
Wtf has austin to do this impending lynch?
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On July 12 2013 05:15 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 05:12 geript wrote:
Ok. So Maju's filter actually has some bits of trying to analyze and stuff. Jampi's only analysis is pretty much confined to the Rayn stuff which is pretty worthless. Jampi's response to the nuke is definitely not towny, but it's about as much as I would expect from a player like Jampi or IamP. The point is though that Maju literally was at no point trying to decide who to nuke. There's nothing there which even points to that. He doesn't even want to "take credit" for his nuke in getting others opinions almost at the last second. That doesn't add up. The timing is butt. But...he was the leading lynch candidate, and had picked up 3 votes within the last chunk. If he thinks he's actually going to die, and has a nuke, the TOWNIE thing to do is to go "holy balls I have 2 hours town who should I fire this at." The SCUMMY thing to do is fire at whoever he'd like, a strong townie, given that he thinks he's going to die. Except I think all of this is kind of blown apart by the fact we had multiple missile defense claims so scum can't obvi-nuke someone with time left in day and expect it to work just fine. I dunno, gut read is that asking frigging town for where to send a nuke is NOT scummy behavior. Not saying he had a nuke earlier is, but...town controlling things is generally in town's favor.
Go look at his filter. He claimed that it was unstable and that's why he fired it.
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Z-Boson why are you even discussing austin's alignment now? Who do you want to lynch atm (jampidampi, VA, MG)?
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On July 12 2013 05:18 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 05:15 austinmcc wrote:On July 12 2013 05:12 geript wrote:
Ok. So Maju's filter actually has some bits of trying to analyze and stuff. Jampi's only analysis is pretty much confined to the Rayn stuff which is pretty worthless. Jampi's response to the nuke is definitely not towny, but it's about as much as I would expect from a player like Jampi or IamP. The point is though that Maju literally was at no point trying to decide who to nuke. There's nothing there which even points to that. He doesn't even want to "take credit" for his nuke in getting others opinions almost at the last second. That doesn't add up. The timing is butt. But...he was the leading lynch candidate, and had picked up 3 votes within the last chunk. If he thinks he's actually going to die, and has a nuke, the TOWNIE thing to do is to go "holy balls I have 2 hours town who should I fire this at." The SCUMMY thing to do is fire at whoever he'd like, a strong townie, given that he thinks he's going to die. Except I think all of this is kind of blown apart by the fact we had multiple missile defense claims so scum can't obvi-nuke someone with time left in day and expect it to work just fine. I dunno, gut read is that asking frigging town for where to send a nuke is NOT scummy behavior. Not saying he had a nuke earlier is, but...town controlling things is generally in town's favor. Go look at his filter. He claimed that it was unstable and that's why he fired it.
NM I can't fucking read
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On July 12 2013 05:21 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 05:18 geript wrote:On July 12 2013 05:15 austinmcc wrote:On July 12 2013 05:12 geript wrote:
Ok. So Maju's filter actually has some bits of trying to analyze and stuff. Jampi's only analysis is pretty much confined to the Rayn stuff which is pretty worthless. Jampi's response to the nuke is definitely not towny, but it's about as much as I would expect from a player like Jampi or IamP. The point is though that Maju literally was at no point trying to decide who to nuke. There's nothing there which even points to that. He doesn't even want to "take credit" for his nuke in getting others opinions almost at the last second. That doesn't add up. The timing is butt. But...he was the leading lynch candidate, and had picked up 3 votes within the last chunk. If he thinks he's actually going to die, and has a nuke, the TOWNIE thing to do is to go "holy balls I have 2 hours town who should I fire this at." The SCUMMY thing to do is fire at whoever he'd like, a strong townie, given that he thinks he's going to die. Except I think all of this is kind of blown apart by the fact we had multiple missile defense claims so scum can't obvi-nuke someone with time left in day and expect it to work just fine. I dunno, gut read is that asking frigging town for where to send a nuke is NOT scummy behavior. Not saying he had a nuke earlier is, but...town controlling things is generally in town's favor. Go look at his filter. He claimed that it was unstable and that's why he fired it. NM I can't fucking read
That's become clear in the recent hours.
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On July 12 2013 05:18 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 05:15 austinmcc wrote:On July 12 2013 05:12 geript wrote:
Ok. So Maju's filter actually has some bits of trying to analyze and stuff. Jampi's only analysis is pretty much confined to the Rayn stuff which is pretty worthless. Jampi's response to the nuke is definitely not towny, but it's about as much as I would expect from a player like Jampi or IamP. The point is though that Maju literally was at no point trying to decide who to nuke. There's nothing there which even points to that. He doesn't even want to "take credit" for his nuke in getting others opinions almost at the last second. That doesn't add up. The timing is butt. But...he was the leading lynch candidate, and had picked up 3 votes within the last chunk. If he thinks he's actually going to die, and has a nuke, the TOWNIE thing to do is to go "holy balls I have 2 hours town who should I fire this at." The SCUMMY thing to do is fire at whoever he'd like, a strong townie, given that he thinks he's going to die. Except I think all of this is kind of blown apart by the fact we had multiple missile defense claims so scum can't obvi-nuke someone with time left in day and expect it to work just fine. I dunno, gut read is that asking frigging town for where to send a nuke is NOT scummy behavior. Not saying he had a nuke earlier is, but...town controlling things is generally in town's favor. Go look at his filter. He claimed that it was unstable and that's why he fired it. He never claimed unstable.
On July 11 2013 13:40 MajuGarzett wrote:
Ok guys I have a nuke.
Since it seems I might be lynched I have to use it by 10:00 GMT (+00:00) or the town loses a kill for nothing.
Who should I nuke? In most games, you have to use nukes like 12 hours before deadline, to make sure hosts see the post, get the nuke notification in thread, people can respond, etc.
From what he posted, I read that as "I am currently the leading lynch candidate. I have a nuke. If I wait until less than 12 hours until deadline and get lynched, I will die and the nuke with me. Therefore, I want to launch this in time to get it off, so that if I die town will at least have gotten value from my nuke."
While focusing on defense and NOT getting lynched is probably a better route, he never said word 1 about the nuke being unstable, and I think that was a general "You can't launch nukes last second" prohibition
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On July 12 2013 05:00 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 04:40 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 12 2013 04:30 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 12 2013 04:06 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 12 2013 04:03 Z-BosoN wrote:Veyne might be trying to smarty us as scum. I said I wanted to "Save him for later" in d1 because I thought he claimed cop: On July 07 2013 09:48 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 07 2013 09:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 07 2013 09:41 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 07 2013 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 07 2013 09:39 VayneAuthority wrote:
doesn't Z-boson just look like a name that's going to flip scum? Do you have anything to say about anything related to the game? what in particular? The chezinu nuke already is weird but we havent seen any flips yet. You were perfectly capable of giving analysis on D1 in Basterd mafia. I expect you a capable doing that here aswell. I'll take a raincheck on that then. I have commented on everything I found interesting so far so I guess I should close the thread now as I'm just spamming at this point. raincheck = Rayne Check! This is more or less confirmed by his reaction to rayne's lying: On July 09 2013 11:53 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 09 2013 07:08 VayneAuthority wrote:
dandel, gumshoe, ghost, onegu.... I think rayn is town he just messed up. I thought ON might be scum too but wasn't sure enough of it to vote for that those are the 4 im looking at heavily after the voting. All 3 of them gave absolutely zero reason to flip onto ON last second Now, at a time when rayne is under heavy pressure he just nonchallantly dismisses it as "meh. He's town but messed up"... This really tells us that he's confident about it because of the "rain check" And now he tries to claim as kenpachi? Erm.... I feel something is wrong here Lol, I've played about 5 or so games with rayne now, we are much better at reading each other. When he's that active and doing crazy shit, he's town. Then why did you not pronounce yourself when Rayne was being bombarded by Ace , MZ and a few others, and help defend someone you were pretty sure was town? Why did you only mention him once being pressured? what the hell are you talking about? I told people multiple times to stop the rayn nonsense, people listening was a different story. Don't make shit up or we have nothing to talk about here. Wait, you clearly wanted the rayne thing to stop, but because you were angry it clogged up discussion. This is pretty clear from both these posts that followed: Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 22:18 VayneAuthority wrote:
We should probably give this rayn thing a rest for a bit as its killing discussion before the night post. People that have a chance to die should really throw out some reads/cases before they are gone.
I really need people's opinions on these three men, as I think they are all scum.
gumshoe, ghost, onegu
They don't have time to post anything meaningful in the thread but are able to show up last second and ninjavote for ON? Especially gumshoe who I know is much more capable than this. Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 04:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
I cant believe how long this rayn thing has gone on. If I didn't know better its just scum talking to each other and completely shutting down all discussion but that is not the correct answer. Nowhere (correct me if I'm wrong) did you mention that "rayne does this type of shit as town all the time" during the discussion on his shenanigans, or express your supposed confidence that he was town. Only after he died, you go ahead and say that you knew this all along: Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 07:09 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 10 2013 07:08 Xatalos wrote:
Two kills? So scum got a Vigi or something? I dearly hope that one of those wasn't a town kill....
I'm really surprised by rayn though since he was getting a lot of flak tonight. And especially that I live still. Well, it's a relief I guess. He was pretty clearly town after all he did the first day. Since roulette I have become much better at understanding his motives. We just have to decide if these dudes were right with their conspiracy theory or if scum is just trying to throw us off I dunno, I think that if I thought someone was "pretty clearly town" I'd be more insistent on defending said person, instead of simply saying "hey, let's stop talking about him". Answer me one thing, just to be clear. You said that you dunno if it's just scum trying to clog up the thread, in the bolded part. Who are you referring to?
That was when it was meapak, rayn, and austin bickering and it looked so ridiculous to me I said tongue in cheek that it was scum clogging up the thread but if you read the whole statement I say it is wrong because they are very townie, just arguing about weird shit.
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On July 12 2013 05:15 austinmcc wrote:\
If he thinks he's actually going to die, and has a nuke, the TOWNIE thing to do is to go "holy balls I have 2 hours town who should I fire this at." The SCUMMY thing to do is fire at whoever he'd like, a strong townie, given that he thinks he's going to die.
I'd like to point out though, the the same thing applies to him being scum. He starts garnering votes has a nuke and doesn't want to die with it, it's just as equally likely for him to try and find a reasonable target for it to land on. That said, I'm actually thinking right now that if Maju is town, then Ace is scum which fits with Rayn's reasoning and makes sense of the situation. So I'm going to switch to jampi I guess.
sidenote: do the icons by the name have any sort of significance?
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On July 12 2013 05:15 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 05:12 Z-BosoN wrote:
snb what is your current opinion on austin? Wtf has austin to do this impending lynch?
Oh, didn't realize deadline was so soon, I'm still @ page 92 and something interested me between SnB and austin. Gimme a sec
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On July 12 2013 05:25 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 05:15 Xatalos wrote:On July 12 2013 05:12 Z-BosoN wrote:
snb what is your current opinion on austin? Wtf has austin to do this impending lynch? Oh, didn't realize deadline was so soon, I'm still @ page 92 and something interested me between SnB and austin. Gimme a sec
Vote for jampidampi, you'll get cookies.
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Or maybe we just get people to vote for legitimate reasons and then analyze their votes and reasons.
geript, icons next to names are just...e-peen. They denote length and girth.
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On July 12 2013 05:29 austinmcc wrote:
Or maybe we just get people to vote for legitimate reasons and then analyze their votes and reasons.
geript, icons next to names are just...e-peen. They denote length and girth.
hmmm Why don't I have an ultralisk then? (That's the zerg big thing with claws right? The end-game big guy? I don't watch enough SC2 to remember what's what half the time)
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On July 12 2013 05:29 austinmcc wrote:
Or maybe we just get people to vote for legitimate reasons and then analyze their votes and reasons.
geript, icons next to names are just...e-peen. They denote length and girth.
You live in a utopia, my friend.
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On July 12 2013 05:32 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 05:29 austinmcc wrote:
Or maybe we just get people to vote for legitimate reasons and then analyze their votes and reasons.
geript, icons next to names are just...e-peen. They denote length and girth. You live in a utopia, my friend. Entirely true.
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Ok this is something really stupid that I just read, but maybe it is genius.
Did the host make an English mistake by saying a Immune target?
Xatalos, you claim to also be immune. Is it spelled correctly in your role pm?
On July 11 2013 20:33 jampidampi wrote:
Why the fuck was I nuked? Just for not being here? Have yet to read the thread, but I'm not sure if catching up at this point is even worth it. Might as well claim right now.
You are a Immune One! You have no special powers other than that Radiation nukes do not harm you, but do infect you. Each night, you may choose to visit a player. If you are infected with radiation, it will spread to them. You will not be informed if you are infected. Once infected, your infection will last the entire game.
So you better hope that Maju's nuke was a radiation nuke.
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On July 12 2013 05:34 Koshi wrote:Ok this is something really stupid that I just read, but maybe it is genius. Did the host make a n English mistake by saying a Immune target? Xatalos, you claim to also be immune. Is it spelled correctly in your role pm? Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 20:33 jampidampi wrote:
Why the fuck was I nuked? Just for not being here? Have yet to read the thread, but I'm not sure if catching up at this point is even worth it. Might as well claim right now.
You are a Immune One! You have no special powers other than that Radiation nukes do not harm you, but do infect you. Each night, you may choose to visit a player. If you are infected with radiation, it will spread to them. You will not be informed if you are infected. Once infected, your infection will last the entire game.
So you better hope that Maju's nuke was a radiation nuke.
On July 08 2013 23:37 Xatalos wrote:
Okay, I think it's better if I fully reveal my role now.
You are a Immune One! You have no special powers other than that Radiation nukes do not harm you, but do infect you. Each night, you may choose to visit a player. If you are infected with radiation, it will spread to them. You will not be informed if you are infected. Once infected, your infection will last the entire game.
That should help to make an informed decision, Oatsmaster. I'm not really sure what it means, but maybe your anti-nuke role clears something about my role as well. The way I understand it, Radiation nuke is one type of nuke and there are others as well. However, it might be the only type of nuke and the "different types of nukes" means just launch mechanics (secret/claim/etc.).
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