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Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
July 11 2013 21:05 GMT
#2401
On July 12 2013 06:04 Xatalos wrote:
Sigh, both feel like scum. But only one can be scum.


Why can only one be scum??
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 11 2013 21:06 GMT
#2402
hahaha. I love this.
You guys should check out the TL+ mafia game one day. It was so bad compared to this one.

I wanted to change my vote to jampi but now that he posted I am reluctant to do so.
At least MajuG gave us a nuke to play with when he left. I thought jampi was just going to leave butthurt like XigXag.

But now I don't know again -_-*


I had a good night of sleep.
jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
July 11 2013 21:06 GMT
#2403
Is there actually any way for me to redeem myself right now?
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
July 11 2013 21:06 GMT
#2404
I like my vote where it is, but jampi's last post is stretching it. Really hard to come to the conclusion that maju forgot he is Town based on those two posts. All of us type like that.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
July 11 2013 21:08 GMT
#2405
jamp, how did you read that last set of posts as him forgetting he is Town?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 11 2013 21:08 GMT
#2406
On July 12 2013 06:04 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 05:41 geript wrote:
ok so Xat, let's talk about maju vs jampi.

Maju:
1. Both town/scum reasoning for launching nuke neutral
2. Both town/scum reasoning for nuke target (seeking approval for if it will land vs confirming for a solid target) neutral
3. Original points for voting Onegu are super weak scummy
4. Continues to attack Onegu for thinking Chezinu scum based on reasoning that quite possibly makes Chezinue scum -- makes no sense as town scummy
5. continued tunneling without any sort of progression on the read scummy
6. Out of the nowhere suspicion on Jampi scummy

Xat would you agree with this analysis of his filter?


Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 05:58 geript wrote:
Jampi:
1. Seems to know that Rayn didn't fire the mystery nuke (scum) but provides ok reasoning for it neutral
2. Brings up valid points on the Maju nuke after his "death nuke" towny
3. Most of his filter is about the rayn-nuke situation scummy


I don't think you can break it down like this, at least if you're doing the above to say "Vote maju!"

maju votes onegu for weak reasons in your points above. What about jampi's D1 votes? Are they unimportant? Do you know where they went and why? Is tunneling more or less scummy than just not doing ANYTHING about scumreads?

Jampi's votes were Chezinu and NG. I don't hate either of those votes at all. I just don't think that there's clear reasoning on either side for that other than perhaps the fact that he thinks Maju is scummy and doesn't seem to vote him at all. But tehre's lots of people I've thought are scummy and haven't voted for. Tunneling isn't scummy or towny per se, it's moreso in how it's done. Like I tunneled Dandel for shitty reasons all last game because I couldn't find a better "scummy" reasoning on other people. I find this type of tunneling scummy; weak reasons, continued on worse reasons that when you follow the logical process to make X other person scum. Not doing anything about a scumread is just as likely to be lurky town as lurky scum imo.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
July 11 2013 21:10 GMT
#2407
actually jamp - how come you believed rayne so easily on Day 1 even though he was confirmed to be lying? How did you figure out the plan so easily? You haven't been posting much, so how did you get such an accurate read?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 11 2013 21:10 GMT
#2408
On July 12 2013 06:05 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 06:04 Xatalos wrote:
Sigh, both feel like scum. But only one can be scum.


Why can only one be scum??


Anything is possible in the end, but I doubt scum MajuGarzett would have nuked scum jampidampi or that scum jampidampi would go for the MajuGarzett lynch. The pretty even vote spread also improves the chances of one being scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
July 11 2013 21:10 GMT
#2409
For all those who believe XigXag is scum, how do you see his flip factoring into this whole debate of MG/jampidampi/Vayne?

Just curious to know before the flips so we can get an idea of where everyone stands.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
July 11 2013 21:10 GMT
#2410
On July 12 2013 06:08 Ace wrote:
jamp, how did you read that last set of posts as him forgetting he is Town?

If he was town, would he have the need to add that town looses a townie? If he was scum however, wouldn't he feel that he missed the point where he is townie and thus corrected it?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 11 2013 21:10 GMT
#2411
On July 12 2013 06:03 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 05:41 geript wrote:
ok so Xat, let's talk about maju vs jampi.

Maju:
1. Both town/scum reasoning for launching nuke neutral
2. Both town/scum reasoning for nuke target (seeking approval for if it will land vs confirming for a solid target) neutral
3. Original points for voting Onegu are super weak scummy
4. Continues to attack Onegu for thinking Chezinu scum based on reasoning that quite possibly makes Chezinue scum -- makes no sense as town scummy
5. continued tunneling without any sort of progression on the read scummy
6. Out of the nowhere suspicion on Jampi scummy

Xat would you agree with this analysis of his filter?


2. Not sure what you mean here (?)
3. True, but I can't say that my original points against johnnywup were good either (pretty null IMO, slightly scummy at most)
4. I agree his stance on Onegu/Chezinu seems weird - first votes Onegu for pressure voting Chezinu, then starts saying that Chezinu hasn't yet given real answers (weird, maybe scummy)
5. Yeah can't say that he feels like figuring new stuff out this game (scummy)
6. Actually he never said he suspected jampidampi, he just obeyed what people (FT, me etc.) said - where did you get that he suddenly suspected jampidampi? (?)

@6 You don't fire a nuke at someone who you think is town.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 11 2013 21:12 GMT
#2412
On July 12 2013 06:10 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 06:03 Xatalos wrote:
On July 12 2013 05:41 geript wrote:
ok so Xat, let's talk about maju vs jampi.

Maju:
1. Both town/scum reasoning for launching nuke neutral
2. Both town/scum reasoning for nuke target (seeking approval for if it will land vs confirming for a solid target) neutral
3. Original points for voting Onegu are super weak scummy
4. Continues to attack Onegu for thinking Chezinu scum based on reasoning that quite possibly makes Chezinue scum -- makes no sense as town scummy
5. continued tunneling without any sort of progression on the read scummy
6. Out of the nowhere suspicion on Jampi scummy

Xat would you agree with this analysis of his filter?


2. Not sure what you mean here (?)
3. True, but I can't say that my original points against johnnywup were good either (pretty null IMO, slightly scummy at most)
4. I agree his stance on Onegu/Chezinu seems weird - first votes Onegu for pressure voting Chezinu, then starts saying that Chezinu hasn't yet given real answers (weird, maybe scummy)
5. Yeah can't say that he feels like figuring new stuff out this game (scummy)
6. Actually he never said he suspected jampidampi, he just obeyed what people (FT, me etc.) said - where did you get that he suddenly suspected jampidampi? (?)

@6 You don't fire a nuke at someone who you think is town.


Unless you're scum I guess
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
July 11 2013 21:14 GMT
#2413
On July 12 2013 06:10 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 06:03 Xatalos wrote:
On July 12 2013 05:41 geript wrote:
ok so Xat, let's talk about maju vs jampi.

Maju:
1. Both town/scum reasoning for launching nuke neutral
2. Both town/scum reasoning for nuke target (seeking approval for if it will land vs confirming for a solid target) neutral
3. Original points for voting Onegu are super weak scummy
4. Continues to attack Onegu for thinking Chezinu scum based on reasoning that quite possibly makes Chezinue scum -- makes no sense as town scummy
5. continued tunneling without any sort of progression on the read scummy
6. Out of the nowhere suspicion on Jampi scummy

Xat would you agree with this analysis of his filter?


2. Not sure what you mean here (?)
3. True, but I can't say that my original points against johnnywup were good either (pretty null IMO, slightly scummy at most)
4. I agree his stance on Onegu/Chezinu seems weird - first votes Onegu for pressure voting Chezinu, then starts saying that Chezinu hasn't yet given real answers (weird, maybe scummy)
5. Yeah can't say that he feels like figuring new stuff out this game (scummy)
6. Actually he never said he suspected jampidampi, he just obeyed what people (FT, me etc.) said - where did you get that he suddenly suspected jampidampi? (?)

@6 You don't fire a nuke at someone who you think is town.

Unless all nukes are radiation nukes and you are firing at an Immune One.

Haha jk geript
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 11 2013 21:16 GMT
#2414
On July 12 2013 06:14 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 06:10 geript wrote:
On July 12 2013 06:03 Xatalos wrote:
On July 12 2013 05:41 geript wrote:
ok so Xat, let's talk about maju vs jampi.

Maju:
1. Both town/scum reasoning for launching nuke neutral
2. Both town/scum reasoning for nuke target (seeking approval for if it will land vs confirming for a solid target) neutral
3. Original points for voting Onegu are super weak scummy
4. Continues to attack Onegu for thinking Chezinu scum based on reasoning that quite possibly makes Chezinue scum -- makes no sense as town scummy
5. continued tunneling without any sort of progression on the read scummy
6. Out of the nowhere suspicion on Jampi scummy

Xat would you agree with this analysis of his filter?


2. Not sure what you mean here (?)
3. True, but I can't say that my original points against johnnywup were good either (pretty null IMO, slightly scummy at most)
4. I agree his stance on Onegu/Chezinu seems weird - first votes Onegu for pressure voting Chezinu, then starts saying that Chezinu hasn't yet given real answers (weird, maybe scummy)
5. Yeah can't say that he feels like figuring new stuff out this game (scummy)
6. Actually he never said he suspected jampidampi, he just obeyed what people (FT, me etc.) said - where did you get that he suddenly suspected jampidampi? (?)

@6 You don't fire a nuke at someone who you think is town.

Unless all nukes are radiation nukes and you are firing at an Immune One.

Haha jk geript


Lol
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 11 2013 21:17 GMT
#2415
Is anybody going to drop a knowledge nuke soon? I think I am going to stay till the host does his Night post. I want to know how this ends :D.
I had a good night of sleep.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 11 2013 21:18 GMT
#2416
Is it bad that I really just want to flip a coin here? Yes. But Imma stick w/ my reads on this. I think this is the right call. If not... sue me.
jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
July 11 2013 21:18 GMT
#2417
On July 12 2013 06:10 Ace wrote:
actually jamp - how come you believed rayne so easily on Day 1 even though he was confirmed to be lying? How did you figure out the plan so easily? You haven't been posting much, so how did you get such an accurate read?

How was rayn a lier on D1?
I spent a lot time of rayn, since his claim of the nuke didn't make sense. Xatalos had posted this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049&currentpage=79#1574, pointing out many things not making sense about the claim. I tried to form my own conclusions about rays alignment, but it didn't seem likely that rayn had actually launched the nuke given the evidence. I'll admit that I chose to focus on the issue because it was easy to think and post about it, but for me it was a good to aproach a huge filter like rays. Whenever I'm faced with a huge filter my thoughs wander everywhere and focusing on something like claim first helps unravel parts of the motivations behind the posts, thus making it easier to analyse the rest.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
July 11 2013 21:20 GMT
#2418
@jampi

Who are your top scumreads right now?
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
July 11 2013 21:21 GMT
#2419
On July 12 2013 06:17 Koshi wrote:
Is anybody going to drop a knowledge nuke soon? I think I am going to stay till the host does his Night post. I want to know how this ends :D.

Why are you posting like a spectator and not like a player?
jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
July 11 2013 21:22 GMT
#2420
On July 12 2013 06:20 Z-BosoN wrote:
@jampi

Who are your top scumreads right now?

Maju and Gumshoe. Are you even reading?
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