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On July 12 2013 04:09 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 04:04 austinmcc wrote:
geript wtf. The OP says there are many different types of nukes. You're making an assumption that explicitly is contradicted by host text.
You assume he becomes "superpowered," which people keep saying, but I don't think that word means what they think it means. Nobody yet has claimed to gain superpowers from being nuked, and that makes no sense.
You assume there's an "infinite vig" for no reason.
You just...the whole situation is still the same. Now what, we lynch him? And he either flips town or scum. You didn't do anything but kick a can down the road, as far as my initial thoughts play out. Going "we don't know if he's town or scum" is meaningless, because we still don't, and ....... whargl blargl. That's about it. Except now people have to decide who they want to lynch instead of bandwagoning. So we actually get information. Besides, look at Jampi's first post. He's suspicious of Maju. No way in hell Maju fires a nuke at fellow scum unless it's in their benefit (in which case we want it stopped). There's literally no detriment to this play. Yes, there is absolutely no downside to presenting an extra lynch option to the thread with 3 hours left to play in a game full of lurk.
Moreover, your entire reasoning for doing this was flawed on a NUMBER of fronts. Where flawed = you are making assumptions that are almost certainly false.
It's done, we'll deal with it, but...I do not and almost certainly will not believe this was a good play.
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On July 12 2013 04:11 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 04:09 Xatalos wrote:1) Are there other than Radiation nukes in the game? Artanis: Yes 2) Is a plain "nuke" the same as a "Radiation nuke"? Artanis: No I even clearly tell of this fact on the thread for everyone to see: On July 09 2013 00:30 Xatalos wrote:
Uh oh. I just got confirmation that there are other types of nukes than Radiation nukes - and a plain "nuke" is not the same thing as a "Radiation nuke". That means I have a good chance of dying, but also a good chance of gaining KP. Hmm. Well, I'm pretty sure that Meapak is town too, so maybe it would be better to protect him, Oatsmaster. WHY THE HECK DID YOU DEFEND WITHOUT CONSULTING ME FIRST GERIPT????? ARE YOU SCUM AFTER ALL????? Get off the high horse. No way in hell I make this play as scum. No way in hell I could even be scum this game. Way too active. I made the decision because I knew it wouldn't be popular but it's the right decision.
You still haven't explained why you made the assumption that all nukes are radiation nukes. Why are you getting all defensive? Justify your actions from a town perspective.
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On July 12 2013 04:15 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 04:11 geript wrote:On July 12 2013 04:09 Xatalos wrote:1) Are there other than Radiation nukes in the game? Artanis: Yes 2) Is a plain "nuke" the same as a "Radiation nuke"? Artanis: No I even clearly tell of this fact on the thread for everyone to see: On July 09 2013 00:30 Xatalos wrote:
Uh oh. I just got confirmation that there are other types of nukes than Radiation nukes - and a plain "nuke" is not the same thing as a "Radiation nuke". That means I have a good chance of dying, but also a good chance of gaining KP. Hmm. Well, I'm pretty sure that Meapak is town too, so maybe it would be better to protect him, Oatsmaster. WHY THE HECK DID YOU DEFEND WITHOUT CONSULTING ME FIRST GERIPT????? ARE YOU SCUM AFTER ALL????? Get off the high horse. No way in hell I make this play as scum. No way in hell I could even be scum this game. Way too active. I made the decision because I knew it wouldn't be popular but it's the right decision. You still haven't explained why you made the assumption that all nukes are radiation nukes. Why are you getting all defensive? Justify your actions from a town perspective.
1Bastard Hostery--pretty simple.
2Not defensive, just telling people to get their shit together because wasting time actually trying to pin me as scum is worthless. If I'm not obv town on day 1 then I'm scum.
3 I have rtft
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Voting jampidampi. Trying to figure out who's scum in this flurry of recent stuff. Trying to banish the thought that some chunk of lurkers are scum and all of this is bad ideas and we should just be taking them out.
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On July 12 2013 04:15 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 04:11 geript wrote:On July 12 2013 04:09 Xatalos wrote:1) Are there other than Radiation nukes in the game? Artanis: Yes 2) Is a plain "nuke" the same as a "Radiation nuke"? Artanis: No I even clearly tell of this fact on the thread for everyone to see: On July 09 2013 00:30 Xatalos wrote:
Uh oh. I just got confirmation that there are other types of nukes than Radiation nukes - and a plain "nuke" is not the same thing as a "Radiation nuke". That means I have a good chance of dying, but also a good chance of gaining KP. Hmm. Well, I'm pretty sure that Meapak is town too, so maybe it would be better to protect him, Oatsmaster. WHY THE HECK DID YOU DEFEND WITHOUT CONSULTING ME FIRST GERIPT????? ARE YOU SCUM AFTER ALL????? Get off the high horse. No way in hell I make this play as scum. No way in hell I could even be scum this game. Way too active. I made the decision because I knew it wouldn't be popular but it's the right decision. You still haven't explained why you made the assumption that all nukes are radiation nukes. Why are you getting all defensive? Justify your actions from a town perspective.
Now time for you to justify why you're all so up in arms solely about my shooting shit down instead of firing at Vayne over Jampi.
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Gotta put my phone away. Listen to Xatalos and Austin. They are speaking sense
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strongandbig, if you're around, will you magically pop out of hiding?
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On July 12 2013 04:10 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 04:04 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 11 2013 15:04 FirmTofu wrote:
PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT:
Do Not Nuke Alakaslam Or Onegu believes their claims when breadcrumbed does not believe my claim when breadcrumbed, I am conveniently the guy he has been tunneling all game. ERROR, HUGE CONTRADICTION IN MOTIVES Firmtofu is scum. Totally different situations. Alakaslam and Onegu specifically hinted to one specific role. They have multiple posts breadcrumbing their roles. I don't have a strong case on either one of them. I have a strong case on you. There is strong logic that indicates you are scum and/or that your lynch would tell us a lot about other people's roles.
yea I also hinted at one specific role the entire game. Tunnel me long enough and ill actually care enough to destroy your play, bad move bud
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On July 12 2013 04:11 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 04:09 Xatalos wrote:1) Are there other than Radiation nukes in the game? Artanis: Yes 2) Is a plain "nuke" the same as a "Radiation nuke"? Artanis: No I even clearly tell of this fact on the thread for everyone to see: On July 09 2013 00:30 Xatalos wrote:
Uh oh. I just got confirmation that there are other types of nukes than Radiation nukes - and a plain "nuke" is not the same thing as a "Radiation nuke". That means I have a good chance of dying, but also a good chance of gaining KP. Hmm. Well, I'm pretty sure that Meapak is town too, so maybe it would be better to protect him, Oatsmaster. WHY THE HECK DID YOU DEFEND WITHOUT CONSULTING ME FIRST GERIPT????? ARE YOU SCUM AFTER ALL????? Get off the high horse. No way in hell I make this play as scum. No way in hell I could even be scum this game. Way too active. I made the decision because I knew it wouldn't be popular but it's the right decision.
It's not popular (for a good reason) and it's not right either. Your entire reasoning for saving jampidampi is based on a false assumption that I would have noticed in less than a second. You should have as well - if you read the game rules or especially my post clarifying that your basic assumption is completely wrong.
1) You just saved a likely scum
2) The only possible situation where town would benefit from this is if
A) jampidampi is town - unlikely, and even then he'll remain a suspect lurker and probably tomorrow's lynch
B) his claim is true (not all that likely) AND the nuke is a Radiation nuke (quite unlikely) - even then we could have confirmed if it was fakeclaim or not and could have forced him to kill a certain player (if he didn't do that, scum)
3) The ways in how town suffers from this:
A) we probably lose a kill into the scumteam
B) we lose a great chance to determine all the alignments in this group (MG, VA, jampidampi) in one go
C) we lose a chance to possibly confirm jampidampi's claim and force him to kill a player of our choosing
D) we get to keep a scummy lurker alive to distract us tomorrow
Yeah, do you still agree what you caused?
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How is it likely that jamp is scum? Explain this.
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Worst of all is that you just did it (with 100% faulty logic as your reasoning!!!) without asking anyone. Like, wtf? Can you be this anti-town as town?
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On July 12 2013 04:06 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 04:03 Z-BosoN wrote:Veyne might be trying to smarty us as scum. I said I wanted to "Save him for later" in d1 because I thought he claimed cop: On July 07 2013 09:48 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 07 2013 09:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 07 2013 09:41 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 07 2013 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 07 2013 09:39 VayneAuthority wrote:
doesn't Z-boson just look like a name that's going to flip scum? Do you have anything to say about anything related to the game? what in particular? The chezinu nuke already is weird but we havent seen any flips yet. You were perfectly capable of giving analysis on D1 in Basterd mafia. I expect you a capable doing that here aswell. I'll take a raincheck on that then. I have commented on everything I found interesting so far so I guess I should close the thread now as I'm just spamming at this point. raincheck = Rayne Check! This is more or less confirmed by his reaction to rayne's lying: On July 09 2013 11:53 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 09 2013 07:08 VayneAuthority wrote:
dandel, gumshoe, ghost, onegu.... I think rayn is town he just messed up. I thought ON might be scum too but wasn't sure enough of it to vote for that those are the 4 im looking at heavily after the voting. All 3 of them gave absolutely zero reason to flip onto ON last second Now, at a time when rayne is under heavy pressure he just nonchallantly dismisses it as "meh. He's town but messed up"... This really tells us that he's confident about it because of the "rain check" And now he tries to claim as kenpachi? Erm.... I feel something is wrong here Lol, I've played about 5 or so games with rayne now, we are much better at reading each other. When he's that active and doing crazy shit, he's town.
Then why did you not pronounce yourself when Rayne was being bombarded by Ace , MZ and a few others, and help defend someone you were pretty sure was town? Why did you only mention him once being pressured?
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Also think of it likes this: if Maju and jamp are not both scum together, geript's play saves us a Townie, Only way is if both are scum that we screwed up, and geript has been saying they cant be scum buddies together because Maju wouldn't have known the nuke would be shot down.
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On July 12 2013 04:30 Xatalos wrote:
Worst of all is that you just did it (with 100% faulty logic as your reasoning!!!) without asking anyone. Like, wtf? Can you be this anti-town as town?
its not really that faulty. Unless someone can show why jamp was very likely scum with Maju.
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On July 12 2013 04:30 Xatalos wrote:
Worst of all is that you just did it (with 100% faulty logic as your reasoning!!!) without asking anyone. Like, wtf? Can you be this anti-town as town?
This is exceptionally tame in comparison. But I really doubt that I'm saving scum instead of town. I'd put money on saving town myself.
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On July 12 2013 04:30 Ace wrote:
How is it likely that jamp is scum? Explain this.
1) No contributions outside of an analysis of rayn's claim (very easy and enticing for scum to do something like that, no scumhunting involved)
2) "fuck you all I'm leaving" reaction to being nuked instead of starting to help even more now that your flip is soon revealed - completely scum-motivated (mind you, he did return for a bit, but didn't do scumhunting and basically only made one contentful comment on MajuGarzett)
3) claimed a role that is apparently on 4 (!) players already at this point after being nuked - very very likely a scum amongst all these claims and jampidampi is clearly among the scummiest (competing with strongandbig)
4) unlikely scum with MajuGarzett and him flipping red would somewhat clear MajuGarzett (an otherwise big suspect), thus justifying even more lynching jampidampi (making it easier to find the remaining scum)
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On July 12 2013 04:30 Ace wrote:
How is it likely that jamp is scum? Explain this. Very little on D1. After rayn's bit, jampidampi explodes in posting.
Nothing else interested him, but that does, and he posts a good bit, some big posts on it. To me, that was a signal that he either sees an easy townie to throw dirt on, OR (and I don't think I really love this, but it's a thought) he knows that rayn is lying and is actively involved in the unclaimed nuke, therefore...interested in its being claimed by another person?
He goes from very little --> posting all sorts of stuff about rayn --> nothing else.
Beyond that, his post-nuke play is to get pissed at being nuked, fine, but then not do much. He calls out maju as a "terrible nuker," notes that maju nuked him over maju's own biggest scumread, but he doesn't...do anything with that. All his post-nuke posts are just "buncha people claimed unstable nukes, why not a bunch of immune ones" and "gumshoe gone for a long time, why not nuke him instead?"
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in a rush but @austin: why the vote for jamp? I may have missed it but explain it to me. Who were you going to vote for originally?
I should be back before deadline
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On July 12 2013 04:30 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 04:06 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 12 2013 04:03 Z-BosoN wrote:Veyne might be trying to smarty us as scum. I said I wanted to "Save him for later" in d1 because I thought he claimed cop: On July 07 2013 09:48 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 07 2013 09:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 07 2013 09:41 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 07 2013 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 07 2013 09:39 VayneAuthority wrote:
doesn't Z-boson just look like a name that's going to flip scum? Do you have anything to say about anything related to the game? what in particular? The chezinu nuke already is weird but we havent seen any flips yet. You were perfectly capable of giving analysis on D1 in Basterd mafia. I expect you a capable doing that here aswell. I'll take a raincheck on that then. I have commented on everything I found interesting so far so I guess I should close the thread now as I'm just spamming at this point. raincheck = Rayne Check! This is more or less confirmed by his reaction to rayne's lying: On July 09 2013 11:53 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 09 2013 07:08 VayneAuthority wrote:
dandel, gumshoe, ghost, onegu.... I think rayn is town he just messed up. I thought ON might be scum too but wasn't sure enough of it to vote for that those are the 4 im looking at heavily after the voting. All 3 of them gave absolutely zero reason to flip onto ON last second Now, at a time when rayne is under heavy pressure he just nonchallantly dismisses it as "meh. He's town but messed up"... This really tells us that he's confident about it because of the "rain check" And now he tries to claim as kenpachi? Erm.... I feel something is wrong here Lol, I've played about 5 or so games with rayne now, we are much better at reading each other. When he's that active and doing crazy shit, he's town. Then why did you not pronounce yourself when Rayne was being bombarded by Ace , MZ and a few others, and help defend someone you were pretty sure was town? Why did you only mention him once being pressured?
what the hell are you talking about? I told people multiple times to stop the rayn nonsense, people listening was a different story. Don't make shit up or we have nothing to talk about here.
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@Xatalos... so you're trying to say that I'm bad for shooting down the nuke that saves Maju because it forced us to vote for Jampi instead of Maju? You agree that both aren't likely scum correct?
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