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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
July 11 2013 18:00 GMT
#2281
and yea don't block the jampi nuke whoever was thinking of doing that, if we missed on maju there's a good chance jampi is scum
I come in for the scraps
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
July 11 2013 18:01 GMT
#2282
Just woke up. Wait, what the fuck, the deadlines today? I thought it was tomorrow T_T fml.

in regards to maju, he seems pretty scummy to me. possibly the most scummy. not to mention I don't actually think jampi is scum.

This post in particular reads ridiculously scummy for me:

On July 11 2013 15:25 MajuGarzett wrote:
So 2 people want me to nuke jampi. I'm fine with doing that though I do want more input since some people posting haven't responded. I want to nuke VA. Please give opinions. I'm also okay with nuking any of the lurkers if that's what's wanted. I'll probably launch the nuke in 2 hours.


I am hesitant to vote for him because there's a couple people on board that I don't really like.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
July 11 2013 18:17 GMT
#2283
On July 12 2013 03:00 VayneAuthority wrote:
and yea don't block the jampi nuke whoever was thinking of doing that, if we missed on maju there's a good chance jampi is scum

And what if maju is scum?

You lookin so scummy to me but whateffer.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
July 11 2013 18:18 GMT
#2284
On July 12 2013 01:14 geript wrote:
##vote majuGarzett

On July 12 2013 03:12 geript wrote:
##vote majugarzett]



this is really sad geript lol
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
July 11 2013 18:28 GMT
#2285
On July 12 2013 03:17 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 03:00 VayneAuthority wrote:
and yea don't block the jampi nuke whoever was thinking of doing that, if we missed on maju there's a good chance jampi is scum

And what if maju is scum?

You lookin so scummy to me but whateffer.


if he's scum then obviously jampi is town but we don't know until the flip

1 scum and 1 lurking town = better then 1 lurking town as our lynch
I come in for the scraps
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
July 11 2013 18:29 GMT
#2286
And I dont really see how pre flip association is scummy, Idk why you guys keep saying that. It's a towntell if anything since I don't have any of the answers.
I come in for the scraps
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 11 2013 18:29 GMT
#2287
On July 12 2013 03:18 johnnywup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 01:14 geript wrote:
##vote majuGarzett

Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 03:12 geript wrote:
##vote majugarzett]



this is really sad geript lol

Wasn't bold. Posting from phone. Stop hating
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
July 11 2013 18:31 GMT
#2288
you messed it up the second time too but I think it's fine, they'll probably count it
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 11 2013 18:44 GMT
#2289
I just had a great idea.

Let's see the situation again:

Option 1
MajuGarzett
VayneAuthority
jampidampi

Option 2
MajuGarzett
VayneAuthority
jampidampi

Option 3
MajuGarzett
VayneAuthority
jampidampi

Option 4
MajuGarzett
VayneAuthority
jampidampi

If we kill MajuGarzett and jampidampi, VayneAuthority is still somewhat likely a question mark after the flips. If MajuGarzett flips green and jampidampi flips red, it's pretty hard to say if VayneAuthority is town or scum. I think both of them flipping green is pretty unlikely, so likely only if MajuGarzett flips red and jampidampi flips green do we know that VayneAuthority is likely town.

There's an easy solution to this however. If we lynch VayneAuthority and let the nuke on jampidampi land, we will almost certainly know MajuGarzett's alignment. If there are 1-2 scum among VayneAuthority and jampidampi, MajuGarzett is most likely town. If there are no scum among VayneAuthority and jampidampi, MajuGarzett is most likely scum. Then Ace (or someone else) can just nuke the crap out of him after the daypost.

I'm starting to get pretty confident that there is at least one scum among VayneAuthority and jampidampi though. Especially jampidampi is looking suspicious with randomly claiming the already-revealed Immune One role PM after he was nuked. There are tons of that particular role around, it seems, and jampidampi is the most scummy of these claims (-> the most likely one to have fakeclaimed - or just be a scum Immune One).

So basically:
1) There's most likely at least 1 scum among VayneAuthority and jampidampi.
2) If that's the case, then MajuGarzett is most likely town.
3) Even if both VayneAuthority and jampidampi are town (unlikely), we can just nuke MajuGarzett since he's most likely scum in that case.
4) If we lynch MajuGarzett instead of VayneAuthority, we will likely have no idea about VayneAuthority's alignment after the flips and worse still, we have a higher risk of mislynching.

With that said:

##Unvote
##Vote VayneAuthority
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 11 2013 18:45 GMT
#2290
If there's something wrong with my logic, I'm willing to hear it.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 11 2013 18:47 GMT
#2291
Here's the logical flaw. No way that nuke is landing on Jampi.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
July 11 2013 18:48 GMT
#2292
On July 12 2013 03:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
And I dont really see how pre flip association is scummy, Idk why you guys keep saying that. It's a towntell if anything since I don't have any of the answers.

What you are doing is saying more people should die in uncertainty than less.

Stop the nuke, If we missed this time Jampi is an easy next lynch. He has been looking town.

I agree with Xatalos!
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 11 2013 18:49 GMT
#2293
On July 12 2013 03:47 geript wrote:
Here's the logical flaw. No way that nuke is landing on Jampi.


How come?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
July 11 2013 18:49 GMT
#2294
There's also the flaw of me being town, I don't really see how I'm a question mark. What motives have I had in this game that is scum driven?
I come in for the scraps
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
July 11 2013 18:49 GMT
#2295
I'm on my phone and reading the thread. Xatalos' logic is sound. Ace cannot be lynched today. Vayne is an excellent lynch. I'm going to try and vote him on my phone now.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
July 11 2013 18:50 GMT
#2296
Waitwaitwait wowwowwow Geript just pointed out and holy scummy xata?

Wait what?

##confused
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
July 11 2013 18:51 GMT
#2297
I claimed in the very first post of this day in a discreet way in case it came down to this, lets see if the bandwagon has an answer for my scum motives or that.
I come in for the scraps
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
July 11 2013 18:54 GMT
#2298
On July 12 2013 03:51 VayneAuthority wrote:
I claimed in the very first post of this day in a discreet way in case it came down to this, lets see if the bandwagon has an answer for my scum motives or that.

Can you quote yourself on it?

I have gotten confused
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
July 11 2013 18:55 GMT
#2299
On July 12 2013 03:54 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 03:51 VayneAuthority wrote:
I claimed in the very first post of this day in a discreet way in case it came down to this, lets see if the bandwagon has an answer for my scum motives or that.

Can you quote yourself on it?

I have gotten confused


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049&currentpage=92#1827
I come in for the scraps
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
July 11 2013 18:57 GMT
#2300
On July 12 2013 02:42 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 02:40 geript wrote:
@Austin. Imma go take a lunch break and get the oil in my car changed. Mind reading up on FT. You seeing what I'm seeing or am I just being me?
I'll take a peeky.
I dunno if we see that same thing, but here's stuff I see in order of how much I see it:

(1) D1/N1 FirmTofu has about 1.5 pages of filter of posts. D2 he's posted somewhat more, but really EXPLODED into posting since all this nuking stuff came to light last night (US time) and today

At first I actually found that super suspicious, because all of a sudden he's leaping into thread, directing actions, being much much more decisive. D1 his scum reads jump all over the place, he doesn't always provide reasoning, his posts are just kind of part of his thoughts and never really tied together. Now the whole world is going to end based on what happens with certain nukes and claims.


(2) He's ... got a thing with claiming. And I don't get it.

Doesn't trust ON's claim and thinks VA is scum, in part, for trusting Chez's claim: + Show Spoiler +
On July 08 2013 17:38 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 11:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
Ok interesting. So apparently chezinu is saying his role gives him like a hot potato nuke that keeps bouncing around that you have to send at some one else? That's a pretty interesting mechanic and I really doubt he is scum now after giving us some content. People should consolidate on Dandel or Onegu if they dont like my johnny lynch.

Holy banana-butthole, did anyone catch this?

Why would Vayne...
1) ...automatically believe Chez when Chez explains what his role is.
2) ...confirm Chez as a town-read because Chez explained his role mechanics.
3) ...consider an "interesting mechanic" to be "content"

We need to lynch this guy ASAP.
On July 09 2013 06:19 FirmTofu wrote:
I don't see how ON's roleclaim is at all alignment indicative. Scum could just as easily have the same role so if his claim changes your opinion of him, I find that very suspicious.



But yet Alakaslam's claim is 100% trustworthy and makes him town: + Show Spoiler +
On July 11 2013 14:12 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2013 14:08 Alakaslam wrote:
On July 11 2013 00:09 Ace wrote:
Well I'm going to just post a summary of what I had written down. Browser tab crashed so here's the short version:

ON wagon:
austinmcc, Chezinu, raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion, Xatalos, FirmTofu,
Alakaslam, geript, ghost_403, Chezinu, geript, TanGeng, gumshoe, johnnywup, Onegu

DI wagon:

Dandel Ion (8): johnnywup, WaveofShadow, OriginalName, Ace, VayneAuthority,
strongandbig, Meapak_Ziphh, Alakaslam, Stutters695, Nirvana.Gabo

Nirvana is killed by a redirected nuke from WoS. If Dandel/Xig are scum, then WoS would have been bussing
his own scum buddy early, and never changing his vote to a Townie lynch. WoS is most likely Town.

The last set of voters to push the ON wagon include Chezinu, geript, Tangeng]/green], gumshoe, johnnywup, and Onegu.

Chezinu has several votes elsewhere, so for now he is inconclusive. johnnywup had 1 vote parked on WoS, and only voted for ON later. geript only voted for Alakslam outside of ON, he unvoted once then voted again for him. gumshoe appears at the end of both a Chezinu wagon and ON wagon. Onegu appears early on the Chezinu wagon and votes for ON towards the end.

@Firm and Alakaslam: why did you take your vote off of ON and not put it on Dandel? You voted for Vayne twice even though he could not be getting lynched.



Time to role claim.

Because he had the same role, except I was Russian. It was too similar, he had to be another inventor. Couldn't vote him, and wasn't comfortable with Dandel yet. I lied about being vanilla, yes. I think Mepak roleblocked me before dying as anti war protesters messed up the colonel's place, not hajis so that story is done

So that is why ace. Fwiw, Mepak was first gift choice and then WoS and then you and (if enemy had a lot of KP) tofu and Geript were on level with you.

Why the fuck did you roleclaim because Ace asked you a completely harmless question? God damn it Alakaslam...

On July 11 2013 14:12 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2013 14:08 Alakaslam wrote:
On July 11 2013 00:09 Ace wrote:
Well I'm going to just post a summary of what I had written down. Browser tab crashed so here's the short version:

ON wagon:
austinmcc, Chezinu, [green]raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion, Xatalos, FirmTofu,
Alakaslam, geript, ghost_403, Chezinu, geript, TanGeng, gumshoe, johnnywup, Onegu

DI wagon:

Dandel Ion (8): johnnywup, WaveofShadow, OriginalName, Ace, VayneAuthority,
strongandbig, Meapak_Ziphh, Alakaslam, Stutters695, Nirvana.Gabo

Nirvana is killed by a redirected nuke from WoS. If Dandel/Xig are scum, then WoS would have been bussing
his own scum buddy early, and never changing his vote to a Townie lynch. WoS is most likely Town.

The last set of voters to push the ON wagon include Chezinu, geript, [green]Tangeng]/green], gumshoe, johnnywup, and Onegu.

Chezinu has several votes elsewhere, so for now he is inconclusive. johnnywup had 1 vote parked on WoS, and only voted for ON later. geript only voted for Alakslam outside of ON, he unvoted once then voted again for him. gumshoe appears at the end of both a Chezinu wagon and ON wagon. Onegu appears early on the Chezinu wagon and votes for ON towards the end.

@Firm and Alakaslam: why did you take your vote off of ON and not put it on Dandel? You voted for Vayne twice even though he could not be getting lynched.



Time to role claim.

Because he had the same role, except I was Russian. It was too similar, he had to be another inventor. Couldn't vote him, and wasn't comfortable with Dandel yet. I lied about being vanilla, yes. I think Mepak roleblocked me before dying as anti war protesters messed up the colonel's place, not hajis so that story is done

So that is why ace. Fwiw, Mepak was first gift choice and then WoS and then you and (if enemy had a lot of KP) tofu and Geript were on level with you.

Why the fuck did you roleclaim because Ace asked you a completely harmless question? God damn it Alakaslam...



While Onegu's claim is both nonsensical and then super townie and trustworthy: + Show Spoiler +
On July 11 2013 15:02 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2013 14:56 Alakaslam wrote:
Pfffft... Well kind of scratch that^^, kind of "hey toldyabro!!!!"

Bah! I just find it so unlikely he flips scum 3 games in a row XD I am back to null. Dang it!

Are you serious? His roleclaim doesn't make any sense. What do you think his role is supposed to do and why would you assume he is town automatically? Let's analyze this shit!

On July 11 2013 15:04 FirmTofu wrote:
PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT:
Do Not Nuke Alakaslam Or Onegu

On July 11 2013 15:09 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2013 15:08 Alakaslam wrote:
ROBL Onegu man, nice to finally be able to do this even though you not town yet
ALLIED WITH ONEGU!

Nah, he's almost confirmed town at this point. All of his posts are consistent with his claim. Unless he was planning to claim this until early Day 1, I don't see him lying about this.


I'm gonna stop just pulling posts. He has gone role CRAZY. Ace is lying because of roles. You and oats can confirm each other or not confirm each other off of roles. He's finishing for number of shots. Hates jampi and snb's claims. AAAAAAAAAH. It's just so much nonsense. It's too nonsensical to really just look plain ol' scummy, but it looks like he just dove off the deep end. Trusting things randomly, distrusting others randomly, trying to get certain people lynched/nuked when he was more timid D1.

(3)Has magical extra knowledge about radiation?
On July 11 2013 17:12 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2013 17:08 Onegu wrote:
On July 11 2013 16:57 Xatalos wrote:
On July 11 2013 15:05 Onegu wrote:
I have the same role as xata thats why I posted about powerup from nukes when he said he was immune, the when he posted his role pm I said he was 100% town


Oh well, this explains some things. I buy this claim atm since your earlier posts indeed are consistent with the claim. Scumhunt and be more active from now on as well though. (Can you be infected without a radiation nuke? Didn't know that. If it's possible to be infected in the beginning, I should have visited someone as well.)

Also Alakaslam's claim feels genuine (considering all the breadcrumbing and stuff).



Just says we wont know when we are infected so I kinda figured the nukes would be silent, so I gave it a shot, you should def visit someone tonight though. I am eating lunch then will read the entire thread again and be more active.

I think you will be notified, but you might want to ask the host to make sure. I'm thinking you two should be visiting each other until you get the notification(assuming Artanis confirms).


(Might want to ask the hosts to make sure indicates FirmTofu hasn't asked the hosts, doesn't actually have a way to know this)

My takeaway is that it's all wonky and makes no sense but not explicitly in a scummy manner. All of a sudden once things picked up today he gets really, really involved, but that may just be because of a particular role or the people involved interest him or whatever. Way way way more involved than the DI/ON lynch.

I dunno, I'm slightly fried, are you coming to particular conclusions about his change in posting?
Fe fi fo fum.
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