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FiveTouch
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FondleMyButtocks
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FondleMyButtocks
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FiveTouch
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John Matrix
163 Posts
On April 13 2013 16:51 SamuelLJackson wrote: How about we have either have everyone nuke themselves? It's seems very likely that at least mafia has a nuke, and possibly both mafia and town. It's 8-3, but, without taking nukes into account, that doesn't impact the number of mislynches we have, and therefore I think it's very unlikely that mafia has no roles given how much everyone being a hydra favors town. With this assumption at worst we get a 1-1 trade and if there's an anti-nuker, we could even decide to save one. This post slightly concerns me, especially if sandroba wrote it, slightly less if syllo wrote it (I think it was syllo). The reason being simply that a normal game of this size has 9 town 3 scum. We know town is one player down, so assuming no roles at all scum is a tiny bit ahead compared to normal balance of these kinda games. So I think it's not a given that scum has a nuke, in fact I kinda doubt they do, I actually think the most reasonable setup has the two town roles (1 of each) and no scum nuke. The vigilante shot (nuke) is too unreliable anyway. Also it again surprises me slightly that we haven't just made the guy who has the nuke claim that he has it and use it for a double lynch today? Sandroba, having previously created a plan to use nukes in that fashion, clearly should have noticed that possibility. Double lynching is incredibly town favored. We can either do it today or tomorrow, but since our nuke-dude cannot be roleblocked but could be randomly night-killed, why not just do it today? So when the nuke deadline hits (12h before the lynch) we nuke the guy with the most votes, then we ignore him and lynch someone else. | ||
NeutralSrvivngBalrog
Kyrgyzstan43 Posts
On April 14 2013 06:09 FiveTouch wrote: Because I don't want to have to think too hard tonight. Killing NSB is easy because he's just come in piggybacking popular sentiment. ~marv i actually just read whats-his-face's filter cause it was the shortest, no idea what other people were saying about him | ||
NeutralSrvivngBalrog
Kyrgyzstan43 Posts
On April 14 2013 06:01 FondleMyButtocks wrote: SnB you should be looking at VIVAX420 and Me, those seem to be the people that most people are suspicious of. If you want you can also look at the Moc/oats argument but it might make you vomit in your hands. see this is actually helpful i will go read vivax's filter i already read yours, like i said before not much in there | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On April 14 2013 06:24 John Matrix wrote: This post slightly concerns me, especially if sandroba wrote it, slightly less if syllo wrote it (I think it was syllo). The reason being simply that a normal game of this size has 9 town 3 scum. We know town is one player down, so assuming no roles at all scum is a tiny bit ahead compared to normal balance of these kinda games. So I think it's not a given that scum has a nuke, in fact I kinda doubt they do, I actually think the most reasonable setup has the two town roles (1 of each) and no scum nuke. The vigilante shot (nuke) is too unreliable anyway. Also it again surprises me slightly that we haven't just made the guy who has the nuke claim that he has it and use it for a double lynch today? Sandroba, having previously created a plan to use nukes in that fashion, clearly should have noticed that possibility. Double lynching is incredibly town favored. We can either do it today or tomorrow, but since our nuke-dude cannot be roleblocked but could be randomly night-killed, why not just do it today? So when the nuke deadline hits (12h before the lynch) we nuke the guy with the most votes, then we ignore him and lynch someone else. There's some things I don't like about this, and things I disagree for other reasons. I don't feel confident at all that where my vote is 12 hours before the deadline is necessarily who I want to be killing. Probability is only 1/8 that the Nuke dude gets hit tonight, and results of a nuke tomorrow should be WAY more reliable. Secondly, about the 9/3, 8/3 thing. I have specific insight on this; I spoke with Artanis after Hydra 1 and said that I found the hydra format pretty town favoured in general (by nature of townies having 2 heads to find mafia, whereas mafia have 2 heads who have to keep up a deception). That game was 7/2, and I suggested 8/3 to him as a better balance, indeed the balance we have here. So I don't think it's right to say that 8/3 is 'mafia-favoured' because while that's true normally, in the instance of a hydra game the dynamics are different. so assuming that mafia don't have a nuke because 8/3 is nominally mafia-favoured I think is an incorrect way to approach the situation. ~marv | ||
SamuelLJackson
223 Posts
I'm fine with lynching NeutralSrvivngBalrog, the effort they have put into the game so far is disgusting, in particular from a hydra | ||
FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
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NeutralSrvivngBalrog
Kyrgyzstan43 Posts
On April 14 2013 06:33 SamuelLJackson wrote: Prom: you have provided no opportunity to interact with you, and you should know this; you have been way less active than in the previous games I've played with you and you were town. I'm not particularly interested in interacting with you anyway except when I have something specific to ask. You haven't defended your read on vivax420, and it still reads false to me. Since he is still your strongest read, you should be able to provide a better case than the one you presented so far. I'm fine with lynching NeutralSrvivngBalrog, the effort they have put into the game so far is disgusting, in particular from a hydra im in another game and draz isn't playing until monday like i said pregame, i didnt think this game would start for a few days when i /in'd there were still three or four open spots on the signup list, apparently the list just hadn't been updated or something so instead of a hydra you should think of this as more of a half a persno | ||
NeutralSrvivngBalrog
Kyrgyzstan43 Posts
On April 14 2013 06:32 NeutralSrvivngBalrog wrote: see this is actually helpful i will go read vivax's filter i already read yours, like i said before not much in there i dont really see it with vivax. they don't seem any worse than usual. like, unless someone points me to something specific and scummy that i missed, which is possible, but i wouldn't be making a case against them myself like, he says some stuff thats actually right On April 13 2013 09:32 VIVAX420 wrote: Shotgun, VE being openly lazy and careless doesn't make him scum, I have to say that keeping to push that as only reason for thinking he's scum doesn't look good, why don't you inquire further if you have a suspicion instead of defending your argument? and that whole angry thing about "summarizing", that could come from scum too but it seems genuine either way | ||
SamuelLJackson
223 Posts
[QUOTE]On April 13 2013 16:51 SamuelLJackson wrote: Also it again surprises me slightly that we haven't just made the guy who has the nuke claim that he has it and use it for a double lynch today? Sandroba, having previously created a plan to use nukes in that fashion, clearly should have noticed that possibility. Double lynching is incredibly town favored. We can either do it today or tomorrow, but since our nuke-dude cannot be roleblocked but could be randomly night-killed, why not just do it today? So when the nuke deadline hits (12h before the lynch) we nuke the guy with the most votes, then we ignore him and lynch someone else.[/QUOTE] Because the best case and fairly likely scenario is that no one gets nuked or the mafia nuke gets shot down. If we "double lynch" today don't hit mafia, it's lylo tomorrow, otherwise on day 3. | ||
NeutralSrvivngBalrog
Kyrgyzstan43 Posts
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
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NeutralSrvivngBalrog
Kyrgyzstan43 Posts
On April 13 2013 15:59 InsertSmurfHere wrote: Mafia Hapa makes bullshit cases and is ignorant of the general town discussion while town Hapa tries to be a town leader. That's about all you need to know about him, and if you think about it, him even TRYING to talk his way out of his read and justify it makes me think he's town, because I expect scum Hapa to just go AFK and stop posting. But yeah, let's kill Palmar/DP, because they're more obvious scum. ##Vote JohnMatrix why is this | ||
SamuelLJackson
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On April 14 2013 06:49 SamuelLJackson wrote: And we want a nuke to be shot down. It not only confirms the person who fired the anti-nuke, but to a lesser degree the person targeted by the nuke. While mafia knows this, they may still gamble that there is no anti-nuker. This seems a bit of a stretch, no? ~marv | ||
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