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k WaveOfCock I want you more dead than ever right now.
1 you act like the only thing you can do is 1v1 with MA. If you were town you would realize the uncertainty to your reads and that there is more than one scum.
2 shitting up the thread is as much MA's fault as yours, you say. No it's not, because MA kept trying to stop it and you just kept going. Also you realize it is not constructive, yet you say it is your only course of action.
3 Do i realize how scummy it sounds? No because I dont think about the apparent scumminess of my actions. It's called being town.
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2013 09:48 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 23:09 FiveTouch wrote:
My vote on Palmar was based on the (perhaps foolhardy) belief that I can make Palmar contribute with pressure. I share the belief that he's most likely town based on mod-action, but I'm so fucking sick of him not doing shit on D1 and then DYING. He only does that shit because you shits let him. "Oh it's Palmar you know, whatever right?" No one wants to make him EARN the N1 shot, in spite of him soaking it up all the time.
Well I want him to earn that shit. He needs to stop being a useless fuck - especially now that he's confirmed town. Stop being a useless little shit Palmar. So VE claimed that he only voted JM and pretended to think JM was scummy in order to pressure Palmar into being more active. I am having trouble believing that. fivetouch On April 14 2013 09:51 kushm4sta wrote:
mostly because of how futile the move was obviously going to be
-kushbtw On April 14 2013 10:58 kushm4sta wrote:
k WaveOfCock I want you more dead than ever right now.
1 you act like the only thing you can do is 1v1 with MA. If you were town you would realize the uncertainty to your reads and that there is more than one scum.
2 shitting up the thread is as much MA's fault as yours, you say. No it's not, because MA kept trying to stop it and you just kept going. Also you realize it is not constructive, yet you say it is your only course of action.
3 Do i realize how scummy it sounds? No because I dont think about the apparent scumminess of my actions. It's called being town.
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Hey.
Use your hydra.
And what? MA kept trying to stop it??
HAHA did you read that conversation at all???
On April 14 2013 03:29 MockArmor wrote:WaveofCheeseThis is your line of thought in regards to my commentary Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 00:02 MockArmor wrote:
To expand on Hapa: We don't perceive him as scum; nor an entity to invest further time into this cycle. Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 02:46 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
it went from HAPA SUSPECT to HAPA TOWN pretty fast. Hence, you conclude I inferred town. Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 03:17 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
I'm not calling you scum, nor do I believe you are at this stage. It is more than reasonable to expect, you inferred we are town here. So what do we get? ============= Now, if you are town, I am not concerned whether you think I am town/null or whatever. What I am concerned about is, why you think what you do. So an answer such as this: Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 03:17 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
2.) My brain, something in there. Is certainly not good enough; and requires further clarity and explanation.In particular when the crux of the dialogue you initiated was: Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 01:13 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Can you explain this, MA? You FoS Hapa because he has scum motivation for buddying me etc etc and is kinda scummy whatever. Then you call him town? Lets not be hypocritical. I look forward to your more detailed response.
On April 14 2013 02:43 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 02:24 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:I'm not calling you scum, nor do I believe you are at this stage. + Show Spoiler [Blah blah] +]My point remains that FoS's in general are very noncomittal and, if you are scum, that is your way out, and the brief clause you provided to claim Hapa = town was fairly generic in flow with the thread.
"I understand the stance" = I know what your stance is on Hapa currently.
MA, what's your read on Rayn after all the "AHMIGERD GIMME READS" stuff? So you are not calling me scum; nor do you "believe" I am scum currently. So...Why are we going through this dance then? You know.. where you repeat the same things where the subtext infers you think the actions are scummy Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 01:42 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Idk MockArmor, looks like you wanted to push a misslynch on Hapa, then he retaliated and you decided to give him a town read for appeasement. Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 01:59 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Well, you go through the trouble of digging up something potentially scummy from Hapa and question him about it. After a few hours of lurking, you guys suddenly come to the conclusion that Hapa is probably town (or something to that effect) and deem him no longer worthy of pursing today. I understand the stance, but what I don't understand is why, if you have initial suspicions of Hapa, that you're willing to let him off the hook so easily and not entertain the possibility of investigating him this cycle. This certainly doesnt read as curious; the connotation is clearly negative, and designed to read as scummy actions. So WaveOfCheesecakeWhen did you read of us evolve to "not scum"
And what set it off; please walk me through this.
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Kush does look the townier of the two in this exchange, however.
WoC, why should we NOT lynch you?
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On April 14 2013 11:02 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Kush does look the townier of the two in this exchange, however.
WoC, why should we NOT lynch you?
Because we're town, obvs.
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@WoC he says multiple times: Im not going to respond to you anymore because I dont want to shit up the thread...conversation over...etc
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On April 14 2013 10:57 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
This thread looks like shit.
What the fuck is that giant summary post doing in my town? Goddamn I could lynch him JUST for that post.
Why the fuck are Kush, GK/CC, and Mocsta shitting the thread up like it's their fucking job?
So many questions, only one lynch to sort them out.
I assume you are referring to Palmars post? Why do you believe it to be scummy?
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On April 14 2013 11:04 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 10:57 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
This thread looks like shit.
What the fuck is that giant summary post doing in my town? Goddamn I could lynch him JUST for that post.
Why the fuck are Kush, GK/CC, and Mocsta shitting the thread up like it's their fucking job?
So many questions, only one lynch to sort them out. I assume you are referring to Palmars post? Why do you believe it to be scummy?
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It's extremely informative about my thought process in the early pages of the game, with detailed explanations on what is going on from my perspective.
Sure, if you're a lazy fuck and don't want to read it then it's not useful, but I think I've made some good progress with that post.
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On April 14 2013 11:04 VIVAX420 wrote:
@WoC he says multiple times: Im not going to respond to you anymore because I dont want to shit up the thread...conversation over...etc
He says it once, and then again before he actually does leave. Clearly you don't know Mocsta very well if you think he actually stops talking when he says he's going to.
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On April 14 2013 11:05 John Matrix wrote:
It's extremely informative about my thought process in the early pages of the game, with detailed explanations on what is going on from my perspective.
Sure, if you're a lazy fuck and don't want to read it then it's not useful, but I think I've made some good progress with that post.
It's a fucking summary post, I am not impressed whatsoever. I could write that as scum a million times over.
Vivax is also not a good scum read in my opinion.
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On April 14 2013 11:12 InsertSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 11:05 John Matrix wrote:
It's extremely informative about my thought process in the early pages of the game, with detailed explanations on what is going on from my perspective.
Sure, if you're a lazy fuck and don't want to read it then it's not useful, but I think I've made some good progress with that post. It's a fucking summary post, I am not impressed whatsoever. I could write that as scum a million times over. Vivax is also not a good scum read in my opinion.
Remember it's flowing thoughts 18 pages into the game. My other head is telling me the same that Vivax is a bad scumread. But I would have to read through his later contributions.
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Vatican City State88 Posts
On April 14 2013 06:36 FiveTouch wrote:
I would add that if the town nuke is outside of marv/VE, Palmar/DP, and sand/syllo, then it's actually extremely likely they'd be able to shoot tomorrow.
~marv
Marv dear.
I'm a simple minded man, and trying to wrap my ahead around this. Please assist.
Does the above suggest that is it extremely likely that "FT" / "JM" / "SLJ" are town.
As, I can not wrap my head around why else they would be valid NK targets worthy of discussion so early into Day1.
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@Smurf: Would you agree with my three townreads? I'm much less invested in the scumreads as the point at which I am in close reading half the other candidates have hardly posted (cheesewave, sammy, mock, reynmaster etc) so they can just as well end below Vivax and/or balrog based on how I feel when I read on.
But for now the important part of my game is to eliminate the players I don't want to lynch from the pool of people I'm considering lynching into.
If you're sure Vivax is town, and DP seems pretty certain too, so maybe we should eliminate him too? That would leave me only 6 people to look at (cheesewave, sammy, mock, reynmaster, balrog, Buttocks)
Do you think, having read more of the thread than me, anyone from that list deserves to be removed from the "potential lynch for today" list?
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@WaveofCheesecake:
I believe you said something about "waiting" for me? I'm here, so fire away.
Your entire case for MockArmor being scum was for "shifting our read on Hapa from scum to town," or something like that.
In reality I made it a point to call out Hapa for what I perceived as buddying with potential scum motive. What caught my eye is as town Hapa must have more justification for his read. The way he thought you were town with such little justification didn't make sense to me from a town persepective. Hapa then satisfactorily justified his townread to me. I had been through the rest of his filter and seen nothing else that was suspicious. So with that clarification, I moved on. Sure an FOS is a flimsier version of an actual vote, but what I was pursuing was one suspicious point. It wasn't enough to vote him for without further investigation.
Like what were you expecting? Right after my exchange with Hapa I'd be like, "Before I thought you were totes scum (which wasn't the case), now I think you're totes town (Which isn't the case either. Definitely leaning town on Hapa, but he's nowhere near "confirmed town" to me or anything...). Didn't you criticize my counterpart for the exact same thing?:
On April 14 2013 03:19 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Lol I'm so high. CC420... Anyway, Mocsta, you're making it really black and white; like I thought you were totes scum and now I think you're totes town.
So here's a question for you:
Would you care to "expound" on this Rayne read of yours? Plenty of time has past and from what I've seen you've still been caught up on your exchange with Mocsta. I understand to some extent "waiting" for people like me, but why even bother posting if you're not going to help contribute meaningfully to discussion? More on that in a little bit...
Posting the quote as a reminder:
On April 14 2013 02:43 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 02:35 MockArmor wrote:On April 14 2013 02:24 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2013 02:17 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 01:59 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2013 00:02 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 23:54 raynmaster wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2013 23:47 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 23:42 raynmaster wrote:On April 13 2013 23:35 MockArmor wrote:On April 13 2013 23:19 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Mocsta you didn't answer my question. Why did you attempt to make a big deal out of a person posting something that in essence looked like a confirmation post and a post implying that he was going to bed? The complaint in general feels false given that the game had just started and it doesn't seem like you could have genuinely felt frustrated by the state of things at the time of the post. The question should not be addressed to Mocsta. Regardless; I have been content with the posting of my partner.. I also believe the post you have chosen to bring attention is, contains a valid opinion of thread sentiment. Rather, I think it is you, who is choosing to elucidate matters of the minutiae to the fore. Why would you not want a player you are talking to in the first place to answer? Are you gonna try to get out of bad spot by letting your partner to answer a question directed to someone else? /rayn That answer was clearly written by Mocsta. As is this response. What is your point? Are you suggesting that I am able to elucidate the inate thoughts of GoodKarma at the time of writing? What i do know is that the post in question, shared the same sentiments I felt at the time. The thread was too spammy; too crazy; and too emotional. Hey do you have any reads? Or expand on your hapa read please. Yes, we have reads. To expand on Hapa: We don't perceive him as scum; nor an entity to invest further time into this cycle. + Show Spoiler +
In my opinion, town Hapa is quick to jump to conclusions, and just as quick to re-evaluate his reads and make his current stance visible. I think that occured today.
Well, you go through the trouble of digging up something potentially scummy from Hapa and question him about it. After a few hours of lurking, you guys suddenly come to the conclusion that Hapa is probably town (or something to that effect) and deem him no longer worthy of pursing today. I understand the stance, but what I don't understand is why, if you have initial suspicions of Hapa, that you're willing to let him off the hook so easily and not entertain the possibility of investigating him this cycle. Firstly, you have a keen enough eye to pay attention to our posts; yet, are not observant enough to notice that the early pressure on Hapa was solely GK. FYI, I entered the thread roughly 4 hours, caught up; gave my reads to GK. Let me quote him hhaha (cos i was surprised too) "I agree ironically with pretty much everything you've said".
Secondly, you have a very strong choice of words here Wave. "let him off the hook so easily" // "a few hours of lurking"; if I didnt know better, I would think you are calling me scum. Yet, I do not see a vote or a case for the accountability I was talking about earlier. To answer your question; I didnt think a ##FoS was hard pressure; thus enabling "letting off the hook easily".
Thirdly, (to address the crux of your concerns) you present your opinion as if reads are not subject to change. Why is this?I explained why I let Hapa off the hook in short. You still have not explained in detail what the dispute is?
Lastly, "I understand the stance" what does this actually mean? I'm not calling you scum, nor do I believe you are at this stage. [red]My point remains that FoS's in general are very noncomittal and, if you are scum, that is your way out, and the brief clause you provided to claim Hapa = town was fairly generic in flow with the thread. "I understand the stance" = I know what your stance is on Hapa currently. MA, what's your read on Rayn after all the "AHMIGERD GIMME READS" stuff? Thank you for admitting: you are looking purely at the action (FoS). It doesnt matter what you think it "scummy in general'. What matters is whether you think GK motives were scummy. Lets apply some critical thought: Do you think the manner GK maintained dialogue is indicative of someone trying to be non-committal; someone trying not to discern alignment; someone not trying to figure out the game? ------------------------------------------- Secondly, and the brief clause you provided to claim Hapa = town was fairly generic in flow with the thread. Are you suggesting, because I happen to agree with a 'flow in the thread' that I become scummish in conjuction with an old FoS? Are you suggesting, it is scummy for reads to be re-evaluated? ------------------------------------------- Lastly, I am still waiting for Rayn to reply back. Dialogue onus is currently on him. What do you make of Rayn; since you seem to be carrying his torch. - I do believe he was the one that questioned me originally regarding Hapa, ironically telling me we had voted him; when in fact it was just an FoS. I am suggesting that scum tend to re-evaluate their 'reads' very quickly. Reading your filter it seemed like 'shit, Hapa totes suspicious", then a post or two later was 'nah, Hapa probs town". I think you've cleared it up nicely, however. In terms of Raynmaster, he seems to jump on things really quickly. In your discourse with him (fuck, did I just use the word discourse?) I believe he came off scummier. Will expound in time.
-GK
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On April 14 2013 11:20 John Matrix wrote:
@Smurf: Would you agree with my three townreads? I'm much less invested in the scumreads as the point at which I am in close reading half the other candidates have hardly posted (cheesewave, sammy, mock, reynmaster etc) so they can just as well end below Vivax and/or balrog based on how I feel when I read on.
But for now the important part of my game is to eliminate the players I don't want to lynch from the pool of people I'm considering lynching into.
If you're sure Vivax is town, and DP seems pretty certain too, so maybe we should eliminate him too? That would leave me only 6 people to look at (cheesewave, sammy, mock, reynmaster, balrog, Buttocks)
Do you think, having read more of the thread than me, anyone from that list deserves to be removed from the "potential lynch for today" list?
I agree with the list in totality.
Fair enough, since that's been what I'm doing I can't complain.
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Vatican City State88 Posts
So some of the posts that have stuck out for me, as previously promised.:
On April 14 2013 04:54 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 04:52 FondleMyButtocks wrote:On April 14 2013 02:41 SamuelLJackson wrote:FondleMyButtocks looks suspicious. His bigger posts look constructed rather than free flowing and he isn't doing anything with his few other posts. Going after Vivax/kush hydra is fine, but his reasons look forced to me. On April 13 2013 21:16 FondleMyButtocks wrote:On April 13 2013 08:40 VIVAX420 wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote MockArmor
Almost forgot that the guy found joining the pre-game banter funny but when the game started he didn't feel that much like joking. Must be discussing stuff elsewhere! the soft calling of someone as scum through the idea of 'posting somewhere else' of course they are posting somewhere else. I got a qt in my role pm. You got a qt too. We all did, its a hydra game! Stupid way to phrase this, it feels like over justification. It's not "soft calling" when you throw your vote down and stupid does not equal mafia. It was a short, semi serious early game vote post with only one justification. Not at all an "over justification", there was only one reason for the vote. His other reasons for finding vivax420 suspicious look similarly manufactured. The way he words his case and frames vivax420's posts overall does not feel genuine and open-minded (e.g. "supposed to be 420's concise thoughts", "even gives us a lynchable list"). The random comment about wanting to "almost" lynch GK for tradition's sake also looks like kind of fluff mafia likes to add to their post. Phagga are you going to write that mockarmor case? Nope, not gonna write it. At the time when i said that to prom it was about how I felt that GKs posts were constructed, and missing pretty much the free flow that you also accuse prom of lacking. However, after rereading his filter in CT I was reminded that this just seems to be the way he posts. Also, Mocsta has since then added a lot to their filter, and I don't see how their behaviour is pushing a scum agenda. reading up on some filters, will post more in the next hour. Also, I wonder where NeutralSrvivingBalrog is. I'll reread some stuff and I'll be back with a few thoughts in the next hour. What is a scum agenda before the 24h mark of a game? I've never been scum so I'm not really sure. Can anyone enlighten me?
Comments like this. Like maybe in a normal mafia game where no one can communicate with each other could I see this, but in a hydra game where you have a buddy to tell you this shit there's NO EXCUSE for shitting up the thread with this.
You then go on to post even more meaningless crap that isn't scumhunting.:
On April 14 2013 10:48 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 10:46 kushm4sta wrote:
WOW no you are going to continue to push MA? please please don't. Your back and forth shit up the thread so bad today. Do you realize how unpleasant it is trying to read through that? lol I will do whatever the fuck I want. Besides the shitting up the thread part is usually on Mocsta's head, not mine. I want GK. Do you realize how scummy it sounds when you ask me to not to pressure my scumread?
Hi there. I'm WaveofCheesecake. Oh darn my scumread's not here. Need to keep waiting for him instead of expounding on Rayne who I've conveniently forgotten... THERE'S NO SCUMHUNTING HERE. This was actually done twice in quick succession. Only like a few minutes prior.:
On April 14 2013 10:43 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 07:08 VIVAX420 wrote:
ger use smurf!
but I like how you pointed out that pushing a mislynch on hapa line. that is a scumslip imo. lolwut? First of all that 'scumslip' was CC, not me. Second of all, wut? Third of all, oh boy, I get to look forward to Geript's shit scum reads on me all game long again that are based on absolutely nothing JUST for a change of pace from like, every other game I've been in with him. Does Yamato know you voted me? Trust me geript, my heart is in it as much as it can be right now. GK isn't back so there's nothing for me to continue to push atm but I will. Good to see you've put a lot of effort into your read on me though.
Like, you know, maybe pursue Rayne or some of those other scumreads you must have while you wait? You're doing a darn good job of remaining active in thread while not contributing much of anything except maybe a few points here and there in your own defense...
Instead, let's make more pointless posts.:
On April 14 2013 11:03 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 11:02 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Kush does look the townier of the two in this exchange, however.
WoC, why should we NOT lynch you? Because we're town, obvs.
O rly? Clearly you're town. Because you're like SO acting like it... If you plan on convincing us you're town you'd better start actually pushing cases and scumreads. Instead of shitting up thread and "waiting" on people, be it your partner or a scumread. There's three scum right now, and you should have no problem posting stuff without first consulting your partner, so there's like zero reason why as town you should feel compelled to behave as you guys are right now.
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Let's begin.
On April 14 2013 11:49 MockArmor wrote:@WaveofCheesecake:I believe you said something about "waiting" for me? I'm here, so fire away. Your entire case for MockArmor being scum was for "shifting our read on Hapa from scum to town," or something like that. In reality I made it a point to call out Hapa for what I perceived as buddying with potential scum motive. What caught my eye is as town Hapa must have more justification for his read. The way he thought you were town with such little justification didn't make sense to me from a town persepective. Hapa then satisfactorily justified his townread to me. I had been through the rest of his filter and seen nothing else that was suspicious. So with that clarification, I moved on. Sure an FOS is a flimsier version of an actual vote, but what I was pursuing was one suspicious point. It wasn't enough to vote him for without further investigation. Like what were you expecting? Right after my exchange with Hapa I'd be like, "Before I thought you were totes scum (which wasn't the case), now I think you're totes town (Which isn't the case either. Definitely leaning town on Hapa, but he's nowhere near "confirmed town" to me or anything...). Didn't you criticize my counterpart for the exact same thing?: Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 03:19 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Lol I'm so high. CC420... Anyway, Mocsta, you're making it really black and white; like I thought you were totes scum and now I think you're totes town. So here's a question for you: Would you care to "expound" on this Rayne read of yours? Plenty of time has past and from what I've seen you've still been caught up on your exchange with Mocsta. I understand to some extent "waiting" for people like me, but why even bother posting if you're not going to help contribute meaningfully to discussion? More on that in a little bit... Posting the quote as a reminder: Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 02:43 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 14 2013 02:35 MockArmor wrote:On April 14 2013 02:24 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2013 02:17 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 01:59 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2013 00:02 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 23:54 raynmaster wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2013 23:47 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 23:42 raynmaster wrote:On April 13 2013 23:35 MockArmor wrote:On April 13 2013 23:19 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Mocsta you didn't answer my question. Why did you attempt to make a big deal out of a person posting something that in essence looked like a confirmation post and a post implying that he was going to bed? The complaint in general feels false given that the game had just started and it doesn't seem like you could have genuinely felt frustrated by the state of things at the time of the post. The question should not be addressed to Mocsta. Regardless; I have been content with the posting of my partner.. I also believe the post you have chosen to bring attention is, contains a valid opinion of thread sentiment. Rather, I think it is you, who is choosing to elucidate matters of the minutiae to the fore. Why would you not want a player you are talking to in the first place to answer? Are you gonna try to get out of bad spot by letting your partner to answer a question directed to someone else? /rayn That answer was clearly written by Mocsta. As is this response. What is your point? Are you suggesting that I am able to elucidate the inate thoughts of GoodKarma at the time of writing? What i do know is that the post in question, shared the same sentiments I felt at the time. The thread was too spammy; too crazy; and too emotional. Hey do you have any reads? Or expand on your hapa read please. Yes, we have reads. To expand on Hapa: We don't perceive him as scum; nor an entity to invest further time into this cycle. + Show Spoiler +
In my opinion, town Hapa is quick to jump to conclusions, and just as quick to re-evaluate his reads and make his current stance visible. I think that occured today.
Well, you go through the trouble of digging up something potentially scummy from Hapa and question him about it. After a few hours of lurking, you guys suddenly come to the conclusion that Hapa is probably town (or something to that effect) and deem him no longer worthy of pursing today. I understand the stance, but what I don't understand is why, if you have initial suspicions of Hapa, that you're willing to let him off the hook so easily and not entertain the possibility of investigating him this cycle. Firstly, you have a keen enough eye to pay attention to our posts; yet, are not observant enough to notice that the early pressure on Hapa was solely GK. FYI, I entered the thread roughly 4 hours, caught up; gave my reads to GK. Let me quote him hhaha (cos i was surprised too) "I agree ironically with pretty much everything you've said".
Secondly, you have a very strong choice of words here Wave. "let him off the hook so easily" // "a few hours of lurking"; if I didnt know better, I would think you are calling me scum. Yet, I do not see a vote or a case for the accountability I was talking about earlier. To answer your question; I didnt think a ##FoS was hard pressure; thus enabling "letting off the hook easily".
Thirdly, (to address the crux of your concerns) you present your opinion as if reads are not subject to change. Why is this?I explained why I let Hapa off the hook in short. You still have not explained in detail what the dispute is?
Lastly, "I understand the stance" what does this actually mean? I'm not calling you scum, nor do I believe you are at this stage. [red]My point remains that FoS's in general are very noncomittal and, if you are scum, that is your way out, and the brief clause you provided to claim Hapa = town was fairly generic in flow with the thread. "I understand the stance" = I know what your stance is on Hapa currently. MA, what's your read on Rayn after all the "AHMIGERD GIMME READS" stuff? Thank you for admitting: you are looking purely at the action (FoS). It doesnt matter what you think it "scummy in general'. What matters is whether you think GK motives were scummy. Lets apply some critical thought: Do you think the manner GK maintained dialogue is indicative of someone trying to be non-committal; someone trying not to discern alignment; someone not trying to figure out the game? ------------------------------------------- Secondly, and the brief clause you provided to claim Hapa = town was fairly generic in flow with the thread. Are you suggesting, because I happen to agree with a 'flow in the thread' that I become scummish in conjuction with an old FoS? Are you suggesting, it is scummy for reads to be re-evaluated? ------------------------------------------- Lastly, I am still waiting for Rayn to reply back. Dialogue onus is currently on him. What do you make of Rayn; since you seem to be carrying his torch. - I do believe he was the one that questioned me originally regarding Hapa, ironically telling me we had voted him; when in fact it was just an FoS. I am suggesting that scum tend to re-evaluate their 'reads' very quickly. Reading your filter it seemed like 'shit, Hapa totes suspicious", then a post or two later was 'nah, Hapa probs town". I think you've cleared it up nicely, however. In terms of Raynmaster, he seems to jump on things really quickly. In your discourse with him (fuck, did I just use the word discourse?) I believe he came off scummier. Will expound in time. -GK
Feasible explanation of the Hapa business. CC isn't here and we actually haven't discussed Rayn at all, though I can tell you that RaynMaster is not on CC's list of townreads.
On April 14 2013 12:14 MockArmor wrote:So some of the posts that have stuck out for me, as previously promised.: Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 04:54 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 14 2013 04:52 FondleMyButtocks wrote:On April 14 2013 02:41 SamuelLJackson wrote:FondleMyButtocks looks suspicious. His bigger posts look constructed rather than free flowing and he isn't doing anything with his few other posts. Going after Vivax/kush hydra is fine, but his reasons look forced to me. On April 13 2013 21:16 FondleMyButtocks wrote:On April 13 2013 08:40 VIVAX420 wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote MockArmor
Almost forgot that the guy found joining the pre-game banter funny but when the game started he didn't feel that much like joking. Must be discussing stuff elsewhere! the soft calling of someone as scum through the idea of 'posting somewhere else' of course they are posting somewhere else. I got a qt in my role pm. You got a qt too. We all did, its a hydra game! Stupid way to phrase this, it feels like over justification. It's not "soft calling" when you throw your vote down and stupid does not equal mafia. It was a short, semi serious early game vote post with only one justification. Not at all an "over justification", there was only one reason for the vote. His other reasons for finding vivax420 suspicious look similarly manufactured. The way he words his case and frames vivax420's posts overall does not feel genuine and open-minded (e.g. "supposed to be 420's concise thoughts", "even gives us a lynchable list"). The random comment about wanting to "almost" lynch GK for tradition's sake also looks like kind of fluff mafia likes to add to their post. Phagga are you going to write that mockarmor case? Nope, not gonna write it. At the time when i said that to prom it was about how I felt that GKs posts were constructed, and missing pretty much the free flow that you also accuse prom of lacking. However, after rereading his filter in CT I was reminded that this just seems to be the way he posts. Also, Mocsta has since then added a lot to their filter, and I don't see how their behaviour is pushing a scum agenda. reading up on some filters, will post more in the next hour. Also, I wonder where NeutralSrvivingBalrog is. I'll reread some stuff and I'll be back with a few thoughts in the next hour. What is a scum agenda before the 24h mark of a game? I've never been scum so I'm not really sure. Can anyone enlighten me? Comments like this. Like maybe in a normal mafia game where no one can communicate with each other could I see this, but in a hydra game where you have a buddy to tell you this shit there's NO EXCUSE for shitting up the thread with this. Of course there is an 'excuse,' and I explained it previously. I was specifically asking for thread sentiment as to what a 'scum agenda' might be so I might have an opinion that's not entirely eternal, and maybe learn something about the people answering in the process. Just because you think something is shitting up the thread and you feeling like clinging to current thread sentiment that that's what we're doing doesn't makes it true.You then go on to post even more meaningless crap that isn't scumhunting.: Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 10:48 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 14 2013 10:46 kushm4sta wrote:
WOW no you are going to continue to push MA? please please don't. Your back and forth shit up the thread so bad today. Do you realize how unpleasant it is trying to read through that? lol I will do whatever the fuck I want. Besides the shitting up the thread part is usually on Mocsta's head, not mine. I want GK. Do you realize how scummy it sounds when you ask me to not to pressure my scumread? Hi there. I'm WaveofCheesecake. Oh darn my scumread's not here. Need to keep waiting for him instead of expounding on Rayne who I've conveniently forgotten... THERE'S NO SCUMHUNTING HERE. This was actually done twice in quick succession. Only like a few minutes prior.: First of all, STOP FUCKING USING THE WORD, EXPOUND; IT'S SO AGGRAVATING. As far as Rayn goes, I haven't conveniently forgotten shit. I'm studying for 8 exams atm, and since CC and I never explicitly discussed him in QT, I haven't thought about him at all. Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 10:43 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 14 2013 07:08 VIVAX420 wrote:
ger use smurf!
but I like how you pointed out that pushing a mislynch on hapa line. that is a scumslip imo. lolwut? First of all that 'scumslip' was CC, not me. Second of all, wut? Third of all, oh boy, I get to look forward to Geript's shit scum reads on me all game long again that are based on absolutely nothing JUST for a change of pace from like, every other game I've been in with him. Does Yamato know you voted me? Trust me geript, my heart is in it as much as it can be right now. GK isn't back so there's nothing for me to continue to push atm but I will. Good to see you've put a lot of effort into your read on me though. Like, you know, maybe pursue Rayne or some of those other scumreads you must have while you wait? You're doing a darn good job of remaining active in thread while not contributing much of anything except maybe a few points here and there in your own defense... Instead, let's make more pointless posts.: Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 11:03 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 14 2013 11:02 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Kush does look the townier of the two in this exchange, however.
WoC, why should we NOT lynch you? Because we're town, obvs. O rly? Clearly you're town. Because you're like SO acting like it... If you plan on convincing us you're town you'd better start actually pushing cases and scumreads. Instead of shitting up thread and "waiting" on people, be it your partner or a scumread. There's three scum right now, and you should have no problem posting stuff without first consulting your partner, so there's like zero reason why as town you should feel compelled to behave as you guys are right now. I'm not shitting up the thread, and once again, I can scumhunt however the fuck I feel. I don't respond to threats, and I honestly don't care if one of my current scumreads is voting for me right now. I don't honestly see what's scummy about specifically waiting for some sort of closure on a read I have before moving on, ESPECIALLY if I'm particularly busy IRL atm. You don't want me shitting up the thread? Posting random reads on other people like that giant fucking summary post seems a lot shittier to me than what I've been doing, and I don't feel like making random reads/lists just because someone doesn't feel I've done enough to them.
Read the bolded for my responses to you. Now GK, have you talked with Mocsta at all? I assume you find as scummy as he does? Why or why not, specifically? Your summary of our behaviour thus far is really just a summary of what others have said before and has added nothing new; 'shitting up the thread' and 'not posting reads' came from kush.
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For just being a summary of what other people have said, why haven't you responded to it at all? You're not defending yourself, you don't seem to be scum hunting, your actions haven't been portraying a town mindset. Yet you seek to neither address any of that nor correct any of that.
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