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Bill Murray
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Bill Murray
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You're gay. | ||
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Bill Murray
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Bill Murray
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On April 10 2013 17:10 Keirathi wrote: If I had to hazard a guess, I would say probably that scum was trying to hit the inventor (if indeed they shot rayn and not some townie). Rayn seemed sort of interested in the role, and sn0 didn't at all. And rayn seemed to be hinting at inventor at the end of the night, so who knows if he actually was or not. As far as a read on sn0, I haven't played with him before, but objectively I feel like he's probably town. Things like this stand out to me: This is his first game outside of the newbies. Nothing about this post reads like a scared scum playing outside his depths. It 100% reads like a townie. And this: Again, in the context of a newbie just out of his newbie games and playing in the big leagues, this doesn't make sense as a scum post. He sees that he was wrong about Artanis and VE (to an extent). He's not making apologies for it, or trying to fix his mistake. He's just calmly explaining himself. Yea, pretty sure that guy is town. This post is great and all, but why would sn0 not want inventor? Because he is scum. Inventor is a PUBLIC ACTION Furthermore, he wants to vote Sinani over VE/Artanis? Wonder why He suspects 2 people alive over me, but votes me? He's FOS on his buddy, and voting me, which is a JEEP tell. Sn0 is scum. | ||
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geript
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On April 10 2013 19:25 Bill Murray wrote: where for art thou geript? If I had a gun, I'd shoot you. | ||
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Restraining Order
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Seriously. So since austin is going to be nuked, let's lynch sinani + vivax shall we? | ||
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Restraining Order
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Not sure what to make of the dreamflower half-claim we got going on in the meantime, tbh. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
I want to lynch snoman too.  Shevlocke maybe cause he LIED. I hate liers. Except when I do it, then its alright. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
On April 10 2013 21:21 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah sinani and Vivax it is. I want to lynch snoman too. Shevlocke maybe cause he LIED. I hate liers. Except when I do it, then its alright. Can you walk me through why Sn0_Man. I thought Keirathi argument for keep Sn0 was pretty sound. | ||
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Bill Murray
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Restraining Order
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On April 10 2013 21:31 Bill Murray wrote: i dont feel comfortable lynching sinani... lots of random votes on him with no reasoning imo ok here is reason: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766&user=128360 | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
On April 10 2013 21:30 Mocsta wrote: Can you walk me through why Sn0_Man. I thought Keirathi argument for keep Sn0 was pretty sound. Was that the 'he doesnt care what he posts argument? the too scummy too be scum argument?' Cause that is not so good. Its like ~~~ not ^^^ | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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Bill Murray
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he hasn't been useless this game, like sn0_man, sharrant, obviousone, just to name a few off the top of my head | ||
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Bill Murray
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such hostility | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
I think we can all benefit by steering conversation more towards critical thought, and fleshed out thoughts. Instead of just saying "Person X" is scum. Let us create debate; detail the scum mindset, and justify the vote. If someone builds a case, and you disagree. Let us create debate; challenge the points, and work together to come to a well-reasoned conclusion For example, ===================== Oatsmaster + Show Spoiler [Re:Sn0_Man] + ]Im still not sure why you think he is scum. On April 10 2013 21:36 Oatsmaster wrote: Was that the 'he doesnt care what he posts argument? the too scummy too be scum argument?' Cause that is not so good. Its like ~~~ not ^^^ Yes, I am referring to the Keirathi "he doesnt care what he posts" argument. After a second review, I thought his points were of merit and showed a town confidence. Can you walk me through what you disagree with. ===================== BillMurray + Show Spoiler [Re:Sinani] + On April 10 2013 22:16 Bill Murray wrote: sinani has been pressuring people, and regardless if one of them is me, made a good case on strongandbig... he hasn't been useless this game, like sn0_man, sharrant, obviousone, just to name a few off the top of my head Do you think SnB is scum? If not, why do you think the case is "good"? Regardless of whether the case is good or bad though; it was made prior to the Artanis case (i.e. very early game Day 1). Futher, Sinani never updated his vote from that pivotal moment in the game. Do you truly believe that SnB case was good enough to warrant leaving the vote their for an entire cycle? Please keep in mind, Sinani was up to date with the thread enough, to request Gonzaw use his day-vig to shoot "BillMurray". ===================== Sharrant + Show Spoiler [Re:Keirathi] + Keirathi Case I am very curious to hear your response to the issues regarding the assassin claim knowledge + vested interest in ascertaining blue roles. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Thanks MZ, you're a real sweetheart. Given the number of people who popped in, I'll assume we have no Russia and play today as best I can. (1) Don't lynch sn0_man, he's town (2) If you're town, please STOP THROWING KP AROUND. Or at the very least, claim it BEFORE the kills go through. It is far more likely that we can catch some scum this game based on claims/actions/roles than in a normal game, and the more unclaimed KP we have the harder it is to figure things out AND the more you fix scum's biggest disadvantage this game. We took out 2 friggin' roles that could kill people, scum had a janitor, so AT MOST they have 2 roles left with KP. Stop making it easier for them and IF you're going to throw around KP, claim it. (3) There are two anti-claim KP roles in the game. Assassin has already flipped, leaving only BC, who has 2 shots and can only shoot once a cycle. There are ALSO a couple anti-claim roles built in with role swapper/thief. HOWEVER, role swapper and thief are both NIGHT ACTIONS. If anyone got swapped or stolen, you should claim NOW. If nobody claims, it's likely neither role is present in the game, imo. At the very least, the worst thing that a scum swapper/thief can do is swap roles with someone N2, which is a long way off. (4) Because there's only one possible claim-KP role left, with limited shots once per cycle, and because nobody claimed getting a role stolen, I think we're in the clear to start claiming, or at least will be very soon. Nobody should start doing it yet, because it needs to be somewhat organized, but based on artanis's death and the lack of claimed night actions, it looks like the coast is clear. (5) Everyone talking about scum numbers needs to remember that people could have chosen traitor and reclusive traitor. It's possibly they have more than 5 members, but without any extra power roles at that point. Don't forget this, but it's a concern for later. (6) BM, you looked super-townie to me on D1 based on what you were doing. If you're town, then right now you're providing less of a service and you're more just spamming the thread. Can you knock that off? If you want to be active and spammy, go back to D1 BM posting. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
We killed two scum D1 and lost one townie in the process. We took a massive advantage. It LOOKS like we killed at least one scum overnight, given the usage of the janitor power. At this point, scum is limited in being able to plan. Scum is limited in being able to exert any power over town. The more any townie spreads misinformation, fake claims, sets traps, whatever, the more chaotic the thread is and the easier it is to hide in it. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
On April 10 2013 22:44 Mocsta wrote: Hi Everyone. I think we can all benefit by steering conversation more towards critical thought, and fleshed out thoughts. Instead of just saying "Person X" is scum. Let us create debate; detail the scum mindset, and justify the vote. If someone builds a case, and you disagree. Let us create debate; challenge the points, and work together to come to a well-reasoned conclusion For example, ===================== Oatsmaster + Show Spoiler [Re:Sn0_Man] + ]Im still not sure why you think he is scum. On April 10 2013 21:36 Oatsmaster wrote: Was that the 'he doesnt care what he posts argument? the too scummy too be scum argument?' Cause that is not so good. Its like ~~~ not ^^^ Yes, I am referring to the Keirathi "he doesnt care what he posts" argument. After a second review, I thought his points were of merit and showed a town confidence. Can you walk me through what you disagree with. ===================== BillMurray + Show Spoiler [Re:Sinani] + On April 10 2013 22:16 Bill Murray wrote: sinani has been pressuring people, and regardless if one of them is me, made a good case on strongandbig... he hasn't been useless this game, like sn0_man, sharrant, obviousone, just to name a few off the top of my head Do you think SnB is scum? If not, why do you think the case is "good"? Regardless of whether the case is good or bad though; it was made prior to the Artanis case (i.e. very early game Day 1). Futher, Sinani never updated his vote from that pivotal moment in the game. Do you truly believe that SnB case was good enough to warrant leaving the vote their for an entire cycle? Please keep in mind, Sinani was up to date with the thread enough, to request Gonzaw use his day-vig to shoot "BillMurray". ===================== Sharrant + Show Spoiler [Re:Keirathi] + Keirathi Case I am very curious to hear your response to the issues regarding the assassin claim knowledge + vested interest in ascertaining blue roles. Why are you so helpful in asking questions, but not helpful in making cases? | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
ok i will quit posting for you austin, see you all at night | ||
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