EPTNewbie Mafia XL - Page 17
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jampidampi
Finland386 Posts
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Rainbows
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jampidampi
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=147475 , this line is something I think back to quite regularly - "The worst way to play day 1 is with apathy and disinterest and lynch the most outspoken/controversial player, who is never going to be mafia." -_- If you don't think that Rainbows is the most controversial and outspoken player, you are outright incorrect. I'd be delighted if there was a recent votecount so I could tell everybody voting him to vote someone else instead, but there isn't a recent one. So instead - Vote someone else instead. Jesus =0 At least unvote while you think about it so Rain doesn't blow a fucking blood vessel in his head or something ^^ Talk to the coaches or something. I'm fairly confident in this, and will be unhappy to eat my words if I end up being wrong, but seriously, I feel like he is a horrible day1 lynch! More to follow I guess although i had hoped to relax a lil lol | ||
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
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Moloch
Canada222 Posts
On April 05 2013 09:45 Rainbows wrote: Keep in mind the following question isn't policy-based. Let's say we have this one guy, super emotional, yelling at people, voting all over the place. Call him guy A. Guy B is cool, suave, making decent points here and there, voting is in line with his thinking. Guy C is hardcore lurking are barely here, but won't get modkilled because he votes. Guy D is kinda wimpy, and sheeps cases but is also hard to read. Who do we lynch? You say this isn't policy in the post, but that's exactly what you're asking everyone to tell you. I was really starting to warm up to you until this temper tantrum. | ||
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jampidampi
Finland386 Posts
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
On April 06 2013 15:54 Moloch wrote: Yeah, but now that you're frustrated, you're claming you're not scum because of your own policy! You say this isn't policy in the post, but that's exactly what you're asking everyone to tell you. I was really starting to warm up to you until this temper tantrum. It was just a question. I'm not saying YOU MUST LYNCH THIS GUY EVERY SINGLE TIME! IT was just a fucking question. Holy fuck does nobody know the meaning of policy. policy = LYNCH THIS GUY 100% OF THE TIME. I.E. lynch lurkers = you lynch a lurker d1. | ||
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
I claimed because I give zero shits anymore. Half of the thread will vote me easily, and there's nothing stopping that. I could already tell everyone would be like "hmm, yeah just lynch Rainbows because he spammed that one time". Because Nobody actually is willing to do a little dirty work and scumhunt this game on other people than the most outspoken person. I have no scumbuddies. It should be obvious by now. | ||
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jampidampi
Finland386 Posts
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
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jampidampi
Finland386 Posts
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
##Vote: TheRavensName This is my last post. | ||
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Moloch
Canada222 Posts
Otherwise, actually start playing the game again. | ||
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
On the flip side, I guess I feel like Moloch has strongly joined my list of town-reads, so that's something out of this. Jampi, I will get to your case in a moment. And if you seriously rage-quit just because; I will seriously be angry. | ||
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
On April 06 2013 15:03 jampidampi wrote: ##Vote: Rainbows Rainbows is really scummy. At the start, he had the opportunity to continue discussing what was being discussed, but instead he brings up this hypotetical question. Now what purpose does it serve? Scum could post this to know what kind of behaviour we find scummy. Town could post this to generate discussion. But I don't believe that. Rainbows had already got good discussion rolling about something that matters to town (policy). But instead he brings up something that can't benefit town. And there is no followup whatsoever. Trying to follow guidelines on what sort of behavior people find scummy is pointless, it's been well proven even in our newbie game that we are willing to adapt. Scumminess indicators are not a thing that are engrained since birth. I feel like he was just trying to generate conversation and promote a positive town atmosphere - in the same way that my first few posts, upon re-reading, look sorta pointless. I was trying to help get the thread started, so we didn't have an empty day 1 that we couldn't draw good conclusions from. Rainbows asked if Ravens was scum or VT. Blatant bluefishing. No scum would ever answear "Yes, I'm scum". If Ravens had claimed VT there, scum would know he isn't blue. Ravens may have in confusion softclaimed a powerrole there. I can't find any townie reasonin Rainbows would ask this question. Bluefishing!? How in the world did you get that? Literally no matter what, the proper answer is to say VT. If Ravens had claimed VT, scum would know that he claimed VT. If he's blue, he doesn't have to tell the truth! The question looked like meaningless banter; if it was malicious, it was incredibly shallow, and calling it Bluefishing is absurd in the extreme. (imo ^^) Rainbows says how he likes Obzy. If you look at any mafia games posts, when someone likes someone, he thinks that guy is town. Just look at the list posts in this game: "I don't like XXX" is used in contexes, where people think XXX is scummy. Yet when I ask him to explain his liking of Obzy, he says he liked the name and that he has posted a lot, when at the time, Obzy had three posts. If look at those three posts, that is not a good basis for a town read. Hehe I like being told that I'm liked though :0 It's motivating! Legitimately thinking that I was strongly town at that point may have been a bit much, but he didn't say that. I feel like you're trying to build a mountain out of a molehill here, and the connection is not as strong as you are making it out to be. Rainbows thinks he is the center of the thread and that he should be talked about. + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 01:49 Rainbows wrote: You were summing up the thread because I was the only one doing things. On April 06 2013 12:36 Rainbows wrote: First post of the day. Neglects to comment on my play which I find exceedingly odd. I was pretty much the entire thread at that point. On April 05 2013 23:37 Rainbows wrote: A bunch of generic pro-town things being advocated. He provides a (bad) summary of events in the thread and... that's it. [snip] It is obvious that Saraf is referring to me here. I'm spamming, I'm doing a bunch of nuisance-like things and he doesn't like it. He says he would like to lynch me; even if I'm probably town. Saraf seems to know I'm town, because he refers to me as such and tells me how I should be playing. [snip] I digress, he's brought up the policy to 'lynch the spammiest asshole', but that in itself people are already talking about because I'm the center of discussion. So antagonisitic. On April 06 2013 12:12 Rainbows wrote: He didn't do anything of use early game. He was around, but chose to do nothing useful. He barely even talked to me, and pretty much ignored events in the thread. His real 'entrance' post to the thread is here: This scummy since Rainbows clearly cares his image. He cares that people see him as town. He cares enough to make a point of being the center of discussion. Scum care for their image. Here is another case of Rainbows caring about his image: Blues also care about their image, though, presumably. They're trying to act like they are just VTs, but without denying information to town. The only post which he brings up from nobodywonder is this one, where nobodywonder suspects Rainbows. [/quote]Rainbows is hellbent in his interpretating that Saraf called him town, even when multiple people have said that was not what Saraf intented to say. If Saraf is town, what Rainbow did was scummy, because he has more reasons to potentiaaly misslynch Saraf. If Saraf is scum, it's still scummy. Rainbows appears to put pressure on Saraf and if Saraf is ever on the chopping block, Rainbows can go "oh shit, my reasoning is really dump" and save him. And here, I think that if Rainbows was able to actually form a wagon on Saraf, it would have more to it than just this piece of information. It would be a terrific plan if they were scumbuddies and Rain had the amount of thread presence necessary to direct AND THEN UNDIRECT an entire lynch, several days in - but that's some tinfoil hat stuff right there. As such - I do not think that your case has merit. I'm not sure if it makes you scum or not, though - and I wish that Rain hadn't absolutely fucking exploded when you posted it lol. Does that answer the question to your satisfaction? In addition to everything I have already posted regarding Rainbow's innocence and my townread on him, I suppose I could also point out this - And these quotes are a pain to get - On April 05 2013 09:05 Rainbows wrote: ##Vote: TheRavensName On April 05 2013 09:18 Rainbows wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Smancer On April 05 2013 09:28 Rainbows wrote: ##Unvote On April 05 2013 10:03 Rainbows wrote: ##Vote: Smancer On April 05 2013 13:04 Rainbows wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Saraf On April 06 2013 12:12 Rainbows wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: TheRavensName On April 06 2013 15:21 Rainbows wrote: ##unvote ##Vote: Jampidamp On April 06 2013 16:02 Rainbows wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: TheRavensName If he is scum, why is he antagonizing everyone one at a time, writing cases whimsically and without warning, dropping them at a feather's touch - almost if not always because he himself decided another case was better? I'm not verbose enough to explain this in a poetic way, but he's too batshit crazy to be scum at this point in time. (In a good way ^^;; )(...Imo. =P) | ||
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Moloch
Canada222 Posts
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Warent
Sweden205 Posts
Before we forget about this: My initial concern was not about his first post. It was the lie (?) in this post that caught my attention: + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405359¤tpage=8#148 Obzy: I don't know what to think of Raven. He hasn't really posted enough - only his last two posts have content I care about; Why does he think Saraf called Rain an asshole and an idiot? "even if the spammiest asshole is just some poor well-meaning fattie" - how is that implying Rain, unless it's taken for granted that Rain is a spammy asshole? >_>;;; Also, how did Rain interpret it to be calling him out? - -; w/e. I would like to see Raven post more. Raven, are you implying that nobodywonder is town (haven't read him yet, will form an opinion momentarily) with this post? Up until know you've been careful, but now you've decided TRN is a good lynch target - why? Any other reason than Meta stuff? You think Rains case against him is good, care to elaborate some? | ||
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