EPTOn April 06 2013 08:40 Fishgle wrote:
we've got about 24 hours left, right?
we've got about 24 hours left, right?
23.5 hours left until deadline
Newbie Mafia XL - Page 13
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
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jrkirby
United States1510 Posts
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Moloch
Canada222 Posts
Jarjar - He is certain kirby is skum in his first post because he feels kirby changed his mind too easily. I feel he reads too much into kirby's unvote. Everything he's posted has been aggressive towards kirby, while being certain Rainbows is a townie because of his read on kirby. I'm suspicious of him because his only reasons (that he's stated) come from kirby's noncommital way of saying that Rainbows is either scum or an idiot. Since then, he's done nothing aside from saying kirby is very suspicious ( using that as the reason he thinks Rainbows is townie). Smancer - Nothing he's said raised any red flags and I like the variety in his posting style. A mixture of his opinions and questions to try to keep conversation going. jampidampi - He hasn't given his own opinion on anything aside from saying that he thinks Rainbows misinterpreted Saraf's post. Also, a third of his posts talk about whether or not someone else is at their computer (even getting aggressive with kirby when kirby replies to him). I don't have a strong opinion of him, though. It could be that he feels a delay in posting is scum chatting with each other to try to figure out what to do. I don't think it's a good idea to base opinions off of this since there will be a lot more false-positives with strangely long reply times than there will be actual scum catches. Warent - He explains Rainbow's misinterpreting (which I completely agree with), and gave opinions on a couple other people. I like his style. Saraf - He's pushing to lynch the spammiest asshole a bit too much. I think he did imply that Rainbows was the spammy asshole, but he certainly did not state that Rainbows was a townie. kirby - I like his reasoning that he's given for his decisions recarding voting/unvoting Rainbows. At first he thinks he's malicious, then thinks he's an idiot fattie. I don't like how his reason to suspect jampidampi is that he isn't suspicious. It feels really weird to me. TRN - He has only made three posts that aren't spam. He hasn't made any statements about his own opinion, just ask questions of others (aside from his post about the hypothetical A, B, C, D policy question). I like him less now than I did before. Fishgle - I like that he appears to be posting a good mixture of calling other people out without accusing, and posting his own opinions. I like what he says about Warent's hypocrisy, but I'm unsure what I think about his suggestion that Rainbows got a blind hit on Saraf (I'll go into more once I'm done every person) Obzy - I have a positive opinion of how he's been posting. I get a general okay vibe from him. nobodywonder - His posting style seems defensive overall. It doesn't give me a good feeling, but I do like how he is able to critique why someone else voted for kirby, and then vote for kirby himself a little bit later. It implies an open mind. I have really mixed feelings about this guy, Rainbows - I feel this has been the most controversial person. I really don't like how he is pushing so hard to have Saraf lynched off a sentence that Rainbows misinterpreted (multiple people pointed it out to him and he still kept going hardcore against Saraf). | ||
Obzy
United States525 Posts
So the last person for me to look at for now is Rain. You can seriously skip his entire first page of filter, it feels to me like it's entirely banter, random votes, discussion about disliking policy and a question that's "kinda like but not really" policy and discussion of nothing important. Just start on page two IMHO. And having read it, there really isn't much to say. He's just in defensive mode with regards to Saraf. He's honestly quite a bit nuller than I remember thinking as compared to how I mentally had registered him while going through everybody else's filters, but I really don't like lynching him largely because he was the vote leader at first, and he's sort of just been futilely omgusing at Saraf. >_>; It's day 2, we should start looking to consolidate. If somebody is lynched with two votes, I will rip my hair out -_- Although Kirby's scumminess meter is a little... silly ^^;, that really is the sort of thing I would like to see, that his apparent scumreads are Jarjar, Jampi, nobody, and maybe Rain. I feel like commenting on this sort of opinion helps town, since we can discuss the lynch and narrow it down onto a favored candidate. I'll toss in that I definitely prefer not lynching Rain today, for the above reasons. (Perhaps tomorrow, or later - things could always change - but definitely not today. At the moment, I would like to lynch out of a pool that includes everyone _other than_ Smancer, Fish, Rain, me, and Kirby. More detailed posting from everybody else would be terrific, although I will (of course) not say no to detailed posting from ye other four ^^ Specifically, I would like some general reads. A full list isn't entirely necessary, but we should consider beginning to consolidate IMHO, and I don't like our current two vote leaders as lynches right now. (@War)+ Show Spoiler + almost forgot lol. I think your case is focusing on Rain's first posts, and I think that Rain's first posts are not alignment indicative. Is that a satisfactory answer? If not, I guess I'd like you to be more specific in your case against him, or convince me that his first few posts ARE alignment indicative, instead of their assumed purpose being to attempt to drive discussion. ^^ | ||
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jrkirby
United States1510 Posts
I like your reads moloch. My suspiciousness of jampidampi is nothing I would vote on. I have no real evidence against him. I just have this hunch in the back of my head telling me to watch out for him. @Jarjar Please give me more reasons why you think I'm scum. And tell me what you think of everyone else? I put a list of what I thought of everybody. Why don't you do the same. Oh, and don't tell me you hate me because I'm suspicious of jampidampi, you voted for me before I said anything about that. | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On April 06 2013 07:18 Obzy wrote: I don't know what to think of Raven. He hasn't really posted enough - only his last two posts have content I care about; Why does he think Saraf called Rain an asshole and an idiot? "even if the spammiest asshole is just some poor well-meaning fattie" - how is that implying Rain, unless it's taken for granted that Rain is a spammy asshole? >_>;;; Also, how did Rain interpret it to be calling him out? - -; w/e. I would like to see Raven post more. Raven, are you implying that nobodywonder is town (haven't read him yet, will form an opinion momentarily) with this post? You seem like you're trying to point out that Rain's vote on Saraf is suspect, but that Nobodywonder is just a newb and not scum, but _also_ that he should be looking towards Nobodywonder instead of Saraf, who you think is town? I don't like it :x Please post more hehe. - -; I'm not following your reasoning, and that's all you've got atm. (Continuing to read.) To answer the first part: Rainbows brought it up I went off what he said. Onto the next question: I think, at this moment, Nobodywonder is a sort of dumb town. What he says tseems to lack thought at times, and hes been scummy person on the first two days two games in a row acting exactly the same way as he has done so now, and he was VT both those times. So unless he makes a move that pushes me otherwise, I'm going to read dumb town on him. Third part: I do think Rain's vote on Saraf is suspect. I'm stating that in that last part of rainbow's post that was a response to, which I think was poorly worded and was asking for clarification, that it looked like he had made the decision Saraf was at least maybe town and that Nobodywonder was just flat out scummy. If thats how he feels, why is he voting for Saraf still? Thats his whole reason for going after Safaf anyways (In that rainbows disliked that Sarif is voting for someone he said may have been scummy.) | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On April 06 2013 06:10 jrkirby wrote: Hey warent, what's your read on me, and the people who voted on me? I don't like this post JRK, which is a shame because I like most of your other points. Can you explain what you were hoping to get out of this? Specifically: Why only ask warents opinion on such a broad group instead of posting cases on them yourself. From what I've seen these are very untown like thoughts, or atleast viewed as such. | ||
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jrkirby
United States1510 Posts
On April 06 2013 12:02 TheRavensName wrote: I don't like this post JRK, which is a shame because I like most of your other points. Can you explain what you were hoping to get out of this? Specifically: Why only ask warents opinion on such a broad group instead of posting cases on them yourself. From what I've seen these are very untown like thoughts, or atleast viewed as such. That was mostly because I thought he was the only one online at that moment. Unfortunately he wasn't online, or just chose not to respond. | ||
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
He didn't do anything of use early game. He was around, but chose to do nothing useful. He barely even talked to me, and pretty much ignored events in the thread. His real 'entrance' post to the thread is here: On April 05 2013 19:29 TheRavensName wrote: God I must be feeling poorly when my first thought of waking up at 5:30 AM is to read the entire thread and try to figure it all out half awake. But, lets see where it goes. Rainbows I have a question for you because I know you hate talking about policy.... why did you bring up a situation in vague enough terms that it had to be answered with policy and not answer it yourself? Its rather unlike your past games (I also know you hate Meta analysis.).. PS:Saraf called you an idiot and an asshole, who just MIGHT be a townie too but think its unlikely. Not really the best lynch reason. Jampi: Why are you calling Rainbows out for policy lynching? He seems to have made it pretty clear he hates policy discussion in general, and he has yet to really use it in any of his previous games. Jrk: Postig at random people is actually how rainbows plays. Look at the previous two newbie mini games for proof of that. Do you have another scum read? Or is the phrase other guy just referring to the lurkers? Obzy: DO not go down the road of assuming everyone is town because no one is objecting to them being town. We made that mistake with rainbows last game and it cost us so badly. ALWAYS assume everyone is scum until they give you a really really good reason, which you should only share if your confident enough in your read to help defend them, and even then.. you need to hold them to the same degree of suspicion as your scum reads. You need to compare them to the results and look at who they are going after and make sure your not getting fooled. Alot of people are calling Rainbows out for spammyness, but it seems quite a few other people are spamming pretty hard themselves, see the discussion on lurkers killing all of the drones and bio before people have even had 24 hours to get into the thread (I think jarjar still the only person who hasn't posted sense he /ined, so I would say theres only one real lurker.) and mentions of Rainbow's role claim last game by Obzy for examples. Just going to toss this out there: Come up with more then just spammyness by the end of day 1, sense he did get the discussion ball rolling at least. Now back to sleep before I have to go to class. Notice the complete lack of any sort of read or pressure in the post. Does Raven care about current events, does he look like he's hunting scum? He tells people to not vote me for spammyness, but does nothing to pressure those attacking me for that reason alone. He simply affords people the opportunity to lynch me by coming up with alternate reasons by the end of D1. Where's the scumreads? Vote? Nothing. On April 06 2013 03:06 TheRavensName wrote: Seeing as how this is the third game now where NW has been a scummy read day one... have we ever wondered if NW just isn't that bright/isn't that good? I think NW just isn't that great and just makes mistakes and poor judgements that never seem to go well for him. Just curious rainbows: Do you think Saraf or Nobodywonder has a higher chance of being scum, seeing as how right now the way I read it based off that wording is that you yourself are now voting for a guy you think might be town compared to a guy you think is scummy. I hate this defense of NW. "Oh he's just bad townie, we shouldn't lynch him even if he's really scummy" Spare me, Raven. That's bullshit reasoning and you know it. Town has no reason to defend NW right now; Scum does. Scum looks good if he's town and gets lynched, or if they're both scum it's protecting his buddy. Note how he also never gives a read on NW, just calls him bad. On April 06 2013 11:46 TheRavensName wrote: To answer the first part: Rainbows brought it up I went off what he said. Onto the next question: I think, at this moment, Nobodywonder is a sort of dumb town. What he says tseems to lack thought at times, and hes been scummy person on the first two days two games in a row acting exactly the same way as he has done so now, and he was VT both those times. So unless he makes a move that pushes me otherwise, I'm going to read dumb town on him. Third part: I do think Rain's vote on Saraf is suspect. I'm stating that in that last part of rainbow's post that was a response to, which I think was poorly worded and was asking for clarification, that it looked like he had made the decision Saraf was at least maybe town and that Nobodywonder was just flat out scummy. If thats how he feels, why is he voting for Saraf still? Thats his whole reason for going after Safaf anyways (In that rainbows disliked that Sarif is voting for someone he said may have been scummy.) Last post, pretty void of any reads whatsoever. The only thing he's pointed out is my vote on Saraf, which the entire thread has already said many times. I hate to meta people, but TRN in previous games was active, scumhunting, and voted early Day 1. He's reserving his vote right now which irks me. He has done no scumhunting this game and is teetering on the edge of null on everybody. ##Unvote ##Vote: TheRavensName P.S. Raven, it's SINCE, not SENSE ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh | ||
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
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jrkirby
United States1510 Posts
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
For the record, Saraf is not the best lynch for today. | ||
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Rainbows
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Moloch
Canada222 Posts
On April 06 2013 12:25 Rainbows wrote: Like, you call it a 'vendetta' when i've given my reads on plenty of people so far. Stop homogenizing my play and actually read. I think he is correct in calling it a vendetta. You don't just say what you think and vote accordingly, you go over-the-top aggressive and then you shout at everyone to do exactly what you do. Then you switch targets at the drop of a pin. This is the very first day, there is no way anyone can be as certain about anyone as you claim to be about your reads. I'm keeping my vote on you for now because I'm not extremely suspicious about anyone else (just mildly suspicious about everyone), and you seem to feel the need to cause as much discord as you can. | ||
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
On April 05 2013 21:45 JarJarDrinks wrote: K, just caught up. I think jrkirby is my scummiest read at the moment. He votes rainbows pretty early. Then later on he tells us that he feels like he "might actually be a fatty, and is just acting stupid" BUT he feels like he has to vote for him because he's "helping the skinnies". Anyone that votes for someone and then defends them is gonna read scum to me. ##vote: jrkirby First post of the day. Neglects to comment on my play which I find exceedingly odd. I was pretty much the entire thread at that point. On April 06 2013 04:06 JarJarDrinks wrote: Reading rainbows as town mostly but that's due in part to believing that you're scum. He's talking alot which I like. Though he did that in the last game which had me fooled for quite a bit. My turn for a question: Why did you unvote? The worst read on the world on me. He reads me as town, but only because kirby is scum. JJD can use this to justify a scumread on me later when kirby flips town. He likes that I'm talking, but instantly turns down this read by saying I play well as scum and am capable of doing so. Epic proportions of non-committing going on. On April 06 2013 04:41 JarJarDrinks wrote: I'm here now. Right now you're my top scumread so I'm focusing on you. Like every post you make looks more and more scummy to me. So now you were voting for him but it wasn't a serious vote? JJD is focusing on one person this entire game. He has neglected to give reads on any other player than Kirby. He does nothing to convince the rest of town that Kirby is scum, either ---> "Every post you make looks more and more scummy" why not QUOTE them... CONVINCE town? He doesn't want to. He's probably scum. | ||
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
On April 06 2013 12:36 Moloch wrote: I think he is correct in calling it a vendetta. You don't just say what you think and vote accordingly, you go over-the-top aggressive and then you shout at everyone to do exactly what you do. Then you switch targets at the drop of a pin. This is the very first day, there is no way anyone can be as certain about anyone as you claim to be about your reads. I'm keeping my vote on you for now because I'm not extremely suspicious about anyone else (just mildly suspicious about everyone), and you seem to feel the need to cause as much discord as you can. Bolded - Where? Go. You also claim I'm "certain" about my reads --- LOL BUT IM MAKING CASES ON DIFFERENT PEOPLE BRO. I'm rather disinterested with Saraf at the moment. Conflict yourself more. | ||
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
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nobodywonder
United States848 Posts
Wow, so hi Raven, can you defense yourself and then make expansion on your thoughts. more scumhunting is more gg (good game). Moloch, you complain of Rainbow being spammy, but what do you think about his analysis, itself. maybe if valid, rainbows kinda does have right to be aggressive to kill scum and inform others? | ||
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jrkirby
United States1510 Posts
On April 06 2013 12:40 Rainbows wrote: Bolded - Where? Go. You also claim I'm "certain" about my reads --- LOL BUT IM MAKING CASES ON DIFFERENT PEOPLE BRO. I'm rather disinterested with Saraf at the moment. Conflict yourself more. On April 06 2013 12:12 Rainbows wrote: TheRavensName is a fantastic lynch for today! | ||
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