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Sharrant, I've been suspicious of you for a while and I'm only getting increasingly suspicious as you continue to post. At first it was just a "feel read", but I feel there's a full case to be made now.
You make a case against Kush, a very easy and obvious target Stutters had been attacking before. This is not necessarily scummy, but it's certainly not very townie. The arguments against Kush are mainly:
1) Flip-flopping on whether posting one post per day is good enough.
2) Insincere wrt his apology to Cubu.
3) Skeptic about his rationale for wanting to avoid being NKd.
1) Kush's "one post per day is good enough" was silly, but it had been attacked before. It thus becomes an easy target for scum and it's and doesn't require original thinking (original thinking as scum, when you know who's town and not, is suprisingly difficult).
2) It's possible his apology was insincere, but how does that make him scum?
3) Again, this was a silly statement by Kush, but it had already been attacked by Stutters and is an easy target.
What really came off as weird though, was how he not only implied Kush was scum, but that he even was SK. Seriously, that read is so specific it's ridiculous. To be claiming reads on SK this early, a 1 in 13 shot assuming there's even one in the game, is really weird. Spotting a SK hasn't even been in my range of thinking this early into d1. It's interesting though, because the players likely to be thinking about a SK this early in the game is scum. Just consider the information they've got. They know all townies and all maffia, figuring out if there's a SK is their only "black box" aside from blue roles (which he also mentions in his post). It's not at all weird for scum to think about SK at this point, but I do find it weird for townies. Ask yourselves, before his post, had any of you guys even been you guys been even considering a SK read?
Now to what I find to be the strongest part of the case, thrawn just pointed out a classic scum slip: voting for someone you don't think is the most likely scum. He thinks lynching him to resolve "a distraction" and for information on thrawns allignment. Other than that his read has been that he's town and no additional reasoning is given.
I'll admit, while playing XXVI I didn't really know this was a scum slip. Kush did it and I just found it weird. However, after I had gotten lynched, I was having a conversation with one of the coaches (Hapahauli). He said he was 99% sure Kush was the final scum because of those scum slips. He was absolutely amazed that he was not. It's documented in the Obs QT and I could quote some PMs as well, but I'm not sure I'm allowed.
Anyway, the Obs QT is here and the main post I'm referencing is post #46. In it, two of the reasons given for a Kush being scum is because he:
1) Saying "cubu is probably town" and voting him anyway.
2) Wanting to lynch Cubu to determine Thrawn's allignment.
Sounds familiar? I know Kush turned out to be town, but a coach considering this to be such a strong read and coupled with my other suspicions, I think it's a good case. I'm willing to hear you out, but for now my I'm going with...
##vote Sharrant
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On September 19 2012 06:26 rethos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 05:47 thrawn2112 wrote:
There's the one that he's town trying to convince people he's right Here is were I do not understand your "meh" attitude. Why, if he is town, is he trying to convince people he is right? What does that do? How does that help? Is it just bad town play? Also why is he so convinced that you are town? Everything in his post tries to scream "omg this thrawn2112 guy is sooooo townie"? Why is he not suspicious of you? Confirming a townie is actually not that useful for anyone. How does that help us get scum? If he was trying to convince people that he's right about a scum, that makes sense. Town should push scum. Trying to convince people that he's right about his town read, when that said townie is not in any real danger seems extremely odd.
Here's why him defending me doesn't have to be only a scummy move. At that time a huge amount of discussion was between sonic and I and we were going at each other pretty hard. You say I wasn't in any real danger which is true but the argument between sonic and I was the most talked about thing at the time. So debears goes into the thread and gives his read on the most popular topic at the moment, and his read happens to be that I'm town. It seems like a lot of people in here are of the mindset that if player a assigns player b a town read, then by golly player a must be scum. It is not bad at all to talk about town reads, it's only bad if that's the only thing you're doing which isn't what debears has done.
And confirming a townie is extremely useful... it gives you one less target to be suspicious of at least for the time being. You keep going back to that quote from debears I brought up. It does strike me as overzealous but nothing beyond that, especially since he hasn't slacked on scumhunting. In regards to why would he make such a strong statement if he is town, well I do not know. Hence my null read on that particular statement.
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On September 19 2012 06:23 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 06:18 Sharrant wrote:
Where did I say I wanted him lynched? Please tell me. I said I wanted him forced to claim. I've said in every single post, that voting does not mean you want someone lynched.
I also have said several times now, that I consider him suspicious. The fact that you keep ignoring this is baffling. Claim what? His role? Why would you possibly want someone to roleclaim D1? I'm not even sure if roleclaiming is what you're talking about. You say you find him suspicious but you say that while also talking about his defense of me was a null read.... which is the main reason people are suspicious of him in the first place. So what about him is suspicious and what is this "claim" you're trying to get him to make?
Yes, I want him to claim. That's why I voted. That's why I said my intent was to force him to role claim, ie put him at L-1. You said before how you wanted information and discussion, yet here you're entirely balking, and freaking out about trying to get information and discussion to flow.
Now, why debears? Let's see.
Randomly calling you out as town, not particularly helpful to the town, but could earn mafia some town credit to people not paying attention. It's not out of the question he does it as town, but there's nothing that really helps the town that comes out of it. If I call a mafia member a townie, he's not going to dispute it, if I call a townie a mafia member discussion will come from it and hopefully clear his name and shed more light on the situation.
His defense of you wasn't a null read, in a vacuum it absolutely is, and it was when there was a low post count. On its own, it is weird, an oddity and nothing more. It could just be bad play. Your defense of him is starting to make it seem more suspicious though. And then when you add in the little tidbit that the closest he's got to scum hunting is that one point he said that Rethos' posts were devoid of content. That's it. End of story. No suspicions, no votes. He did FoS SDM at one point, just based on he did exactly what you did AND called you out for it. So he thinks that when SDM did it, it was suspicious, but not you.
I still wouldn't bet my life on either of you being mafia. But Kush is no longer my #1 scum read. The way you've reacted has put you to number 2, and debears is sitting at the number one spot now. The only reason I'm not going after you is that I had a decent town read from you earlier. When there's more evidence, you may replace debears as my vote.
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My own accusations against sharrant, sonic's latest post, and sharrant's confirmation that he wants debears to roleclaim is enough for me to:
##Vote Sharrant
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oh man why is this a newbie game. I love the setup and i hope the players use the possibilities :D
edit: OH SORRY didn't see that the game already started :-o sorry, sorry!
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On September 19 2012 06:37 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:Sharrant, I've been suspicious of you for a while and I'm only getting increasingly suspicious as you continue to post. At first it was just a "feel read", but I feel there's a full case to be made now. You make a case against Kush, a very easy and obvious target Stutters had been attacking before. This is not necessarily scummy, but it's certainly not very townie. The arguments against Kush are mainly: 1) Flip-flopping on whether posting one post per day is good enough. 2) Insincere wrt his apology to Cubu. 3) Skeptic about his rationale for wanting to avoid being NKd. 1) Kush's "one post per day is good enough" was silly, but it had been attacked before. It thus becomes an easy target for scum and it's and doesn't require original thinking (original thinking as scum, when you know who's town and not, is suprisingly difficult). 2) It's possible his apology was insincere, but how does that make him scum? 3) Again, this was a silly statement by Kush, but it had already been attacked by Stutters and is an easy target. What really came off as weird though, was how he not only implied Kush was scum, but that he even was SK. Seriously, that read is so specific it's ridiculous. To be claiming reads on SK this early, a 1 in 13 shot assuming there's even one in the game, is really weird. Spotting a SK hasn't even been in my range of thinking this early into d1. It's interesting though, because the players likely to be thinking about a SK this early in the game is scum. Just consider the information they've got. They know all townies and all maffia, figuring out if there's a SK is their only "black box" aside from blue roles (which he also mentions in his post). It's not at all weird for scum to think about SK at this point, but I do find it weird for townies. Ask yourselves, before his post, had any of you guys even been you guys been even considering a SK read? Now to what I find to be the strongest part of the case, thrawn just pointed out a classic scum slip: voting for someone you don't think is the most likely scum. He thinks lynching him to resolve "a distraction" and for information on thrawns allignment. Other than that his read has been that he's town and no additional reasoning is given. I'll admit, while playing XXVI I didn't really know this was a scum slip. Kush did it and I just found it weird. However, after I had gotten lynched, I was having a conversation with one of the coaches (Hapahauli). He said he was 99% sure Kush was the final scum because of those scum slips. He was absolutely amazed that he was not. It's documented in the Obs QT and I could quote some PMs as well, but I'm not sure I'm allowed. Anyway, the Obs QT is here and the main post I'm referencing is post #46. In it, two of the reasons given for a Kush being scum is because he: 1) Saying "cubu is probably town" and voting him anyway. 2) Wanting to lynch Cubu to determine Thrawn's allignment. Sounds familiar? I know Kush turned out to be town, but a coach considering this to be such a strong read and coupled with my other suspicions, I think it's a good case. I'm willing to hear you out, but for now my I'm going with... ##vote Sharrant
I'm glad to see another person is voting. The reason I went immediately to SK, is because that's a powerful role and I'm used to playing with it. It can sow a lot of confusion, and I'm not used to games where they can have immunity to detection. But it's much more than that, my scum read on Kush was not a scum read. It was an SK read. I said it several times, I don't think he's mafia. I think he is either town or SK. His play did not have slips that would really benefit the mafia as much as it would benefit an independent killing role. I find it very unlikely that he would be mafia, but he was scummy. Some claimed that's just the way he plays, and it could be. So the tells he gave, and the way he played in general made me think he was SK.
Onto your point against me, it's still early in the day, and it was obvious no one else agreed strongly enough with my read on Kush to push it, that's just how it goes. Rather than sit there and waste my vote I decided I would put it to use, and try and sort out the Killing versus debears mess. I'm not afraid to throw my vote around, it's the power I have, and I'll use it. From this we've gained a lot of discussion, and we've had two more people vote. I'll admit, I'm not the happiest that both of those votes are on me, but that's life. We're actually getting shit done now.
Everyone keeps saying I had no read on debears, and I'm not sure why. I hope that my last post cleared that up, but if you look back you'll see that I made no mention of him being town. I only made mentions of slight or medium scum tells, or reads that are up in the air when they're on their own.
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Btw, I had to put that case out there because I'm going to bed now and I didn't want to present it too close to deadline (not sure when the next time I can post will be, hopefully before work in ~7 hours). It's my strongest case of d1. I still think Debears is kind of suspect acting with too much confidence, but when going back to read both thrawn's and Debears' filters I'm afraid it was me being stupid for not realizing thrawn's intentions while Debears did.
Also, I guess the official voting is in this thread this time around and I just used incorrect formating:
##Vote: Sharrant
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Sharrant, I don't have time to read you defense tonight, but I will hear you out tomorrow.
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On September 19 2012 06:33 rethos wrote:
@thrawn2112 since the whole debears affair, your conflict with SDM seemed to have been left in the air. What is your current read about SDM? Do you have any other reads that the town might want to know about?
If you look in my filter you notice that my last post about SDM is me still thinking he's scummy but with weaker convictions. Right now I am of the opinion that most of the conflict between us was a difference of opinion on how the game should be played and other similar misunderstandings. Also I had been calling out sharrant's posts and then sonic came in and his post about sharrant makes me wanna give sdm more townie points. So no I don't think he looks scummy anymore, he actually looks pretty townish. He's been really active and he's been pretty vocal about his reads which is most often a town trait.
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I just found out that I'm going fishing tomorrow so I won't be around for a lot of the 2nd half of D2. I should be back in time long before lynch tho.
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First thing, SDM
Sonic Death Monkey Sweden. September 19 2012 05:13. Posts 355
Reading thrawn's explanations and looking back at Debears filter it's possible he understood thrawn's plan
That was what I was going for. Obviously, I poorly worded that part cuz it didn't get through.
Also, at the time I made the thrawn defense post, I did not want to repeat what every1 else was saying. I saw that you were criticizing thrawn for doing something similar and it looked odd to me. Thus, I decided to question you. Once you kept saying you didn't see the logic, I tried to explain it.
@Kush
Why are you trying so hard to associate drazak, thrawn, and me. Understandly, my earlier posts would link me and thrawn. However, drazak does not come anywhere into play. Look at my filter there is one post about drazak.
+ Show Spoiler + debears United States. September 18 2012 22:42. Posts 8 PM Profile Quote Edit #
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To me, thrawn is giving a town read at this point.
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A couple of you (SDM for instance) are concentrating at how stupid an idea lynching the last person is. Let's look at motivations for this:
1) Thrawn as town - prevent the lurker discussion from going overboard. Present an idea that should provoke an "you're an idiot" response from town members (with a long shot of some mafia jumping on him about the idea).
2) Thrawn as mafia - Put up an idea that a thinking town would take seriously, make himself look suspcicious. Possibly lynch the most inactive player if it works.
The idea has far superior town motives.
remember that Thrawn didn't linger on the idea. He dropped it after the responses were pretty clear on it. SDM did
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I think Thrawn has sufficiently answered the question.
I also believe that thrawn's defense of kush earlier was not indicative of scum.
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The argument that Remedy was more of a shot in the dark, seeing as all of us hate lurkers. Thrawn dismissed a possibly dumb argument before a giant flame war started (kush did give warning earlier).
I also support thrawn's logic with drazak:
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Thrawn is currently not timid about calling people out within reason.
To add to the argument, drazak's post also sounds indecisive. might, maybe, probably, think. While that alone is not anywhere near enough to condemn someone, it does raise suspicion on drazak.
@sharrant and kush
I find it odd how both are you are playing right now. Kush is lieing (and btw my main critic was SDM and not KillingTime).
And this:
+ Show Spoiler + Sharrant Canada. September 19 2012 05:58. Posts 8 PM Profile Quote #
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On September 19 2012 05:26 thrawn2112 wrote:
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Well that bolded part is just a straight up lie. I don't see how drazak fits into your theory... I was the first one to call drazak out on his unreasonably defensive post and I've never defended him. So once again, is the only reason you think I'm scum because of your debears association case?
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Ok Sharrant that is a ridiculous vote. You start out saying "debears isn't really the most suspicious person to me" and say his defense of me "was weird, but not a strong tell either way in my opinion."
Then you vote for him and say "there's a good chance he flips scum" and you're "not convinced he's mafia" after saying his defense of me was a null read. So, what exactly is your read on him and if you don't have a read then why are you voting for him? All I see is a bunch of "he may be scum" and "he is a null read."
That's a ridiculous vote? You pick choice words out to discredit what I said, and try to make it personal. I'm fairly convinced the two of you are mafia after that. You know who I think is most suspicious, that hasn't been a secret. This has been mentioned in every post that Kush is my number one target, but that's not going anywhere. I think you should re-read my post. Several times even. Yes, his defense of you wasn't particularly strong either way in and of itself, that's what I said. That's one moment of his play, and you jumped all over that.
So Kush is number one on your list. Makes sense that you would vote for him yet:
+ Show Spoiler +At the same time, debears isn't really the most suspicious person to me, his defense of Thrawn could be scummy, or it might not be. It was weird, but not a strong tell either way in my opinion. However, there is getting to be a large web of people involved with debears either way.
##unvote Kushm4sta
##vote debears
So I'm not the most suspicious, yet I"m the one you vote for. And, not only that, you are going after me. Funny how you agree with kush, the person you most suspect for mafia, on that.
And another thing that raised my eyebrows was how quickly you gave up on attacking kush although you still think he is sk:
+ Show Spoiler + Sharrant Canada. September 19 2012 03:14. Posts 8 PM Profile Quote #
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On September 19 2012 02:09 kushm4sta wrote:
Defense of Sharrant's case against me
Good...scumhunting...dude..
there I didn't flame.
1 You call me insincere because at first I say sorry cubu for bandwagoning him last game, then I call him out for lurking?
I am not going to make a case against him for lurking, but I think a COUPLE words saying so and so are lurking we still need a post is fine.
And yeah I will say cubu played really really bad last game. I wont apologize for saying that. I'm still sorry for lynching him.
I was not trying to start a flame war for with cubu, I was just trying to get him to post. I think encouraging lurkers to post by calling them out or asking them questions is productive. Making cases against lurkers is not productive.
It was just a couple of words, but it is all in the wording. It was the whole underlined, bolded, italicized call out of him. I agree that lurkers need a kick in the pants to start posting more. I'd like to see more posts from Cubu, Stutters, and Killing Time specifically. You've taken a few steps on the road to seeming town to me, but it's a long journey for you, I'm still sticking with my first call.
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I "keep on about NKs" only because people are calling me out for that statement and I want to defend myself. I will stop talking about NK if you stop.
But since you brought it up again let me talk more about my stance on nks:
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And if you're afraid to make yourself a target, then you don't put up as much as you can. NKs provide can provide just as much information as lynches can. On the first read through of your post, I was more convinced of your townieness. But your "I only talk about NKs because you guys talk about! But I'm going to talk about it again, and then say how it was a bad idea to talk about it in the first place." that's put me in an odd spot. It sends real mixed signals to me.
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I never reversed my stance on anything. 1 post a day is not lurking if its a long post. Lynch lurkers, yes, but 1 post a day does not make you a lurker.
@sharron Is there anything else you want me to address or is that it? Also please give more effort to organize your posts better. Singling out the different arguments made against me was quite hard.
I'll take this one as a misinterpretation of your wording earlier. You have the benefit of the doubt there, I retract that point from before.
I think my post was more than adequately formatted, every point I called you on was bolded, every town read you gave was underlined, each point was addressed immediately afterwards, and was followed by a concise conclusion. If you have a suggestion on how to better format my posts, do tell.
You've gained some leniency, in that I know have more of a doubt that you might just be a townie who just sort of blurts out whatever they're thinking, but my vote stays on you for now until you post your own scum reads. But I appreciate that you are remaining civil, I think it helps the town out more.
KillingTime, you're starting to come up on my radar more and more. You seem to be riding coat tails, and posting a recap, rather than analysis of events, and then you come out swinging at debears based off of very, very little.
People I would like to hear more from: debears, KillingTime, Rethos, Jacob
You're all up there because I would like to get a better read on you, or I'd like to know more about your opinions.
People I need to hear more from: Atreides, Cubu, Drazak, Remedy, Stutters
And you're all up here because you're either suspicious, or lurking.
My current suspicions are Kush (SK, possibly blue or self important green), KillingTime/debears (One of these two is mafia I think, more likely KT), Stutters (Maf, low content, low posts)
We need to operate under the impression that among ourselves is not just the mafia, but a serial killer. It changes reads on people by an incredible amount. There's too many strategies open to an idependant killer if we don't also try to address them in our scum hunting.
You basically stated that you are leaving kush alone. Yet you hide it in a mass of text about formatting. The rest of the post is you telling people who need to post.
I liked the kush SK notion, but your current activity isn't making much sense.
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wow you guys beat me to the punch
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Actual lol at supersofts interruption.
Wtf is sharrant talking about with this roleclaim? He thinks debears is mafia and wants him to roleclaim that he is mafia? Huh?
@sharrant
Can you explain this statement? If you mean you want him to roleclaim as blue that is pretty scummy.
BTW I'm not as convinced that you are scum as thrawn and sonic so don't get all pissy with me.
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@ KillingTime and Sharrant: point taken on the FOS thing.
I'm not sure what to make of debears. Trying to establish thrawn as town is bad play, whether he's town or mafia himself. Right now I'm leaning towards it being an illogical claim, rather than an attempt for mafia to blend in. The latter just seems too simple and obvious. I don't think there's enough to make a strong claim for debears being town/mafia yet. It's very possible that he's town, and mafia are sitting quietly and laughing.
SDM raised some good points, but I'm not convinced on Sharrant yet. Going to wait for him to post before I comment on that.
Also need some others to post!
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debears recent post just made me go Wtf like 10 times. His post is Scumcity. I will try to make a good post on it when I get home from work.
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On September 19 2012 07:21 debears wrote:
So I'm not the most suspicious, yet I"m the one you vote for. And, not only that, you are going after me. Funny how you agree with kush, the person you most suspect for mafia, on that.
And another thing that raised my eyebrows was how quickly you gave up on attacking kush although you still think he is sk:
You basically stated that you are leaving kush alone. Yet you hide it in a mass of text about formatting. The rest of the post is you telling people who need to post.
I liked the kush SK notion, but your current activity isn't making much sense.
I've stated several times that I think Kush is SK, or town. Not mafia. My read was either that he was a townie who just wrote everything that came to mind, or he was the SK. The way he played did not strike me as mafia, it was too independent and too loud.
I haven't given up on Kush being the SK. But with his lack of posting, and there being no concrete evidence of an SK yet, it's not worth pursuing in my eyes. It's still there, but it's obvious that it isn't happening right now. If I keep harping on about him being SK, then all people get from me is "that guy is SK based off of a few things he said day 1, and a feeling!" that's not strong. My vote isn't static, if I see an opportunity to bring Kush back up to the top of everyone's list because of a really strong slip he makes before the end of day 1, there's a good chance my vote is going right back to him.
Kush not posting means I haven't had anything to go on about it, it would be silly to let myself get tied down by that. You and KillingTime posed an opportunity. I didn't think that two of you would be town, nor that two of you were mafia. So I put my vote in on the one of you that hasn't been using their only town power, the vote. And look what happened.
Things have now happened, Thrawn gave up what I believe were some strong slips linking you, but he could just be very sure of you being a townie. I think that's very early for such a strong stance. Part of what gets me, is how solidly you think of the vote. You guys seem to use it like a weapon, and not a tool.
Post some reads, that was one of my main criticisms of you for being scummy. I'll gladly drop my vote if you convince me. Right now this little kerfuffle has pushed you to the top of my list.
@Kush
Don't worry, I don't get pissy, it doesn't help anyone in this game. Obviously no one is going to role claim as mafia, so he'll claim something from town (either blue or green). You say getting him to roleclaim as a blue is scummy, why do you assume he's a blue? Hell, if he's a blue, he should lie and claim VT. I think he's a mafia, thus I want him to claim, because if he is mafia HE HAS TO CLAIM A TOWN ROLE. Yes, he may be a townie that's entirely true. But more likely in my mind at this point is that he's a mafia. Making his claim early means that he'll be somewhat stuck on roles, can't claim blue or he'll most likely get outted as mafia, and claiming town will eventually show a discrepency.
I'll gladly answer any questions about my reads if you have any.
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##Vote: Sharrant
+ Show Spoiler +Sonic Death Monkey Sweden. September 19 2012 06:37. Posts 358
What really came off as weird though, was how he not only implied Kush was scum, but that he even was SK. Seriously, that read is so specific it's ridiculous. To be claiming reads on SK this early, a 1 in 13 shot assuming there's even one in the game, is really weird. Spotting a SK hasn't even been in my range of thinking this early into d1. It's interesting though, because the players likely to be thinking about a SK this early in the game is scum. Just consider the information they've got. They know all townies and all maffia, figuring out if there's a SK is their only "black box" aside from blue roles (which he also mentions in his post). It's not at all weird for scum to think about SK at this point, but I do find it weird for townies. Ask yourselves, before his post, had any of you guys even been you guys been even considering a SK read?
I had not thought of this. He has been stuck on the idea of SK
The last thing is the blue roleclaim.
Sharrant Canada. September 19 2012 07:45. Posts 11
@Kush
Don't worry, I don't get pissy, it doesn't help anyone in this game. Obviously no one is going to role claim as mafia, so he'll claim something from town (either blue or green). You say getting him to roleclaim as a blue is scummy, why do you assume he's a blue? Hell, if he's a blue, he should lie and claim VT. I think he's a mafia, thus I want him to claim, because if he is mafia HE HAS TO CLAIM A TOWN ROLE. Yes, he may be a townie that's entirely true. But more likely in my mind at this point is that he's a mafia. Making his claim early means that he'll be somewhat stuck on roles, can't claim blue or he'll most likely get outted as mafia, and claiming town will eventually show a discrepency.
Not only do you want a roleclaim, you want me to roleclaim this early? Wanting a roleclaim is bad. What is the purpose of roleclaiming 24 hours before lynch?
That, combined with my post, and his call for the blue roleclaim all are enough reasoning for me to vote.
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Ok so if we assume debears is mafia, and he claims a town role (green or blue) how does that help you decide anything? Are you hoping that he'll claim a role that is shared by someone else and that other person will counterclaim to prove that he's mafia? That's the only possible good reason I could see for asking for a claim but even then, you're still getting role information out of it which at this point in the game is basically only useful to mafia. We still wouldn't even know if the counter claim was true. So no your claiming idea is not pro-town, and it looks super mafia motivated especially combined with the wishy washy nature of your read on debears in the post where you voted for him.
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@sharrant asking someone to roleclaim at this point is really stupid. red green, blue or serial killer everyone would claim town.
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When did I call for a blue role claim? Why are you just making shit up?
I wanted you to roleclaim, because of the little stint you and Thrawn had there. That struck me as scummy, so rather than wanting to lynch you, I wanted to get you to claim, and then depending on whether your claim was refuted or not, just drop it and possibly find someone that had revealed themselves as scummy while you were on the front of everyone's minds.
I don't know why you guys think it's scummy to be thinking about the SK. It's as powerful as the mafia, except that they aren't going to get outted by their teammates mistakes, and they don't have to try and look after anyone. It's true, it might not be in the game, but you guys are playing entirely without considering that it's in the game. And that's just a bad move. Do you know why? Because if I were the SK, I'd have taken the non-detection, and I wouldn't kill anyone. And all of you would think there was no SK, and that'd be an easy win. So here I am trying to get you guys to think about it, and I'm getting voted up based on that, and something I never said, and a few things I did say.
debears, either you just screwed the pooch big time, and outted yourself as a blue, or you're just making things up. Because I never asked a blue to role claim. I said I wanted to vote you up so you had to role claim.
@Kush Yes, everyone would most likely do that. But this is an open game, so it's entirely possible for mafia to go into risk versus reward mode, and claim blue hoping that no one disputes them because we don't have that role. Even if he claims green, it's still information and discussion. If he claims VT, we put him in the maybe box and then go from there.
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