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On March 03 2012 03:40 kitaman27 wrote:
It is extremely rare to see a newer player actively promoting a scum agenda through thread disruption. I've played like 10 games as scum and I still feel uncomfortable doing so. They only time I've ever gone out of my way to destroy the thread was WaW2 and that was simply because I had like 5 lives. It's so much easier to maintain a lower profile and jump on easy bandwagons similar to BC's style.
I have classes right now, but I'll be back in about an hour. I hope to see RoL with the majority by then.
XLVIII
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The way people are calling me scum without saying may trigger a "hammer mini mafia"-esque fit of rage.
I am town and you need to vote with me.
I was rather unhappy to receive my role at the start of the game. In some ways it is interesting as it is quite powerful and it allowed me to think of the game in a different manner as i had
to asses how to best use my ability to aid town. On the other hand i myself gain no real information, i cannot discover visits or alignments, i cannot call "bullshit" on a fake vig claim, i cannot talk to players privately myself
and i cannot kill scum. I can let others talk, but all i really have is my vote. I am just as in the dark as a vanilla town. When people play stupid, that is a very frustrating place to be. I have tried to push my reads
but my case on VE was buried under a pile of derp and my plan has been shattered.
I am the Operator!
This allows me to give two players PM abilities once per night. A quicktopic will be provided for the two players and they may communicate outside of the thread for the remainder of the gamme. I cannot see the quicktopic. The players alignment's are not revealed to each other.
The plan
Create a PM cicrle between players that i believe are:
- Town aligned
- Good as town
- Putting in enough effort to make use of the PM ability
Also, the more players introduced the higher the chance that mafia would discover/ become a part of it. By linking the players in a circle when one dies they could still communicate.
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I would either connect 3 players in a circle eg A>B B>C C>A, or if i was confident in another town read, 4 players A>B B>C C>D D>A, these players would be able to communicate privately
allowing them to get better reads on each other and hopefull push better reads in the thead together. It would also create a group of near-confirmed town players who could then crush the late game.
The Execution
Night 1
On day1 i set about searching for townies. The best of these townies was syllogism. He was my coach in studen and i think he has a very good approach to the game and is an excellent scumhunter.I had reservations sbout his reads on day1, for example his reasons for accusing BC were very weak.
Discussing things unrelated to scumhunting in the opening hours of day1 is not a good reason to lynch a player on day1, particularly when there are several players hell-bent on shitting up the thread.
In spite of his poor push on BC i think his play demonstrated that he was town. He was actively trying to move discussion forward and he was attempting to lead town.
I also think that it was unlikely that he would be scum, since his scum play is typically less active and quite obviuos, a mafia -aligned syllogism would have been quickly caught.
Additionally, of all the players in the game i feel that syllogism would make best use of PMs, as i would expect him to catch bullshit if the person he talks with is lying to him. It was for this reason that he became the "link".
Another player that i had a town read on was Wherebugsgo. In Tl mafia 47 i remember him playing very well, catching at least 8/16 scum. He was outspoken at times and he was agressive
and sometimes a little mean. But he called bullshit when he saw it and he displayed an abilty to think critcally which appears to be quite a rare gift. In this game i had seen the same play from
the same player. He has been abrasive and pushed his reads, he has called so much bullshit, and yet even he, has had to leave most of it untouched. He has also posted a large amount and he clearly cares about this game.
night one i "masoned" syllogism and WBG.
Night 2
Everybody seems to think that Dr.H is worth listening to, and from what i have read in this game and in BCAC he can look at situations intelligently and can make logical deductions. He had spoken
much sense and he appeared to agree that VisceraEyes is mafia. His posting demonstrated pro-town intentions. He was also putting effort into the thread and i felt he would utilise the PM rights better than anybody else.
I decided to mason Dr.H to syllogism, since i thought that Dr.H would be more inclined to engage in an open discussion with syllogism. Whilst i felt (and still feel) that all 3 were(are) town,
i had most confidence in syllogism and i beleive that if mafia were invited to PM he would catch them and push them in the thread without revealing other players he was in contact with to them.
But syllogism was kiled and i was brought back to square 1.
night two i "mason" syllogism and Dr.H
Night 3
By this point Dr.H seemed flustered. His reads had been all over the place and he did not seem focused. I was less certain that he was town than i had been previuosly. I therefore decided to link WBG to my next best choice: Kitaman.
He is perhaps the only person that is still actively playing in the game that has acted like he has a brain. I considered adding Tyrran or BloodyC0bbler, but frankly i would not expect either of them to even use the qt as they rarely post in the thread.
night three i "masoned" WBG to kitaman
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it's 1,5 hours until deadline. There's not going to be a successful switch, it's either me or RoL at this point in time.
And I'm not talking about wether or not someone else got a better chance to flip mafia (I doubt that) but about the fact that we don't have enough people in here. If we were to switch that'd be an instant town lose because we can't get everyone in here.
Some people are still voting for jitsu as far as I can see... Yes I'm talking to you cwave.
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kitaman27
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On March 03 2012 03:49 layabout wrote:
He switched his shot at the last minute to a player that he could not shoot.
How is that not wasting his claimed ability?
He claimed to have shot RoL a second time when he was eligible. Do you think a scum toad would accuse his scumbuddy RoL of surviving a vig hit?
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On March 03 2012 05:34 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 03:49 layabout wrote:
He switched his shot at the last minute to a player that he could not shoot.
How is that not wasting his claimed ability?
He claimed to have shot RoL a second time when he was eligible. Do you think a scum toad would accuse his scumbuddy RoL of surviving a vig hit?
Yes.
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On March 03 2012 05:36 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 05:34 kitaman27 wrote:On March 03 2012 03:49 layabout wrote:
He switched his shot at the last minute to a player that he could not shoot.
How is that not wasting his claimed ability?
He claimed to have shot RoL a second time when he was eligible. Do you think a scum toad would accuse his scumbuddy RoL of surviving a vig hit? Yes.
if that's the case vote RoL please. thx
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I'm weighing the viability of a scum Operator given what we know about the setup. Kitaman, if you're around you're the only person I trust discussing balance with.
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On March 03 2012 05:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm weighing the viability of a scum Operator given what we know about the setup. Kitaman, if you're around you're the only person I trust discussing balance with.
So you are entertaining the idea that mafia would be given a role that allows other players to communicate privately?
THIS IS WHY I HAVE PUT SO LITTLE EFFORT INTO THIS GAME, HOW COULD YOU THINK THAT?
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On March 03 2012 05:46 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 05:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm weighing the viability of a scum Operator given what we know about the setup. Kitaman, if you're around you're the only person I trust discussing balance with. So you are entertaining the idea that mafia would be given a role that allows other players to communicate privately? THIS IS WHY I HAVE PUT SO LITTLE EFFORT INTO THIS GAME, HOW COULD YOU THINK THAT?
Because you can put your buddies in contact with town if you're scum - it's highly powerful.
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On March 03 2012 05:46 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 05:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm weighing the viability of a scum Operator given what we know about the setup. Kitaman, if you're around you're the only person I trust discussing balance with. So you are entertaining the idea that mafia would be given a role that allows other players to communicate privately? THIS IS WHY I HAVE PUT SO LITTLE EFFORT INTO THIS GAME, HOW COULD YOU THINK THAT?
manipulating people 1 on 1 is way easier than manipulating people in the thread.
Also a nice thing to know: Remember who WBG said he's a very manipulative mafia but this time he's "honestly" not manipulating anyone?
I find it rather funny that you ended up masoning wbg with people given that self-read.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
Well this is going no where fast and we're running out of time so I'll do a partial role claim. My role name is coward. I breadcrumbed the role with my first post.
I have an information role. I die if my target is scum and live if my target is town. jackal was my first check.
On February 24 2012 07:00 kitaman27 wrote:
If I die, jackal is scum. Otherwise, not scum.)
Jackal was shot the following night after being an incredibly anti-town player. DrH confirmed that jackal was a mafia hit.
I stopped breadcrumbing my checks after night one because the scum team could now hit me or roleblock me and it would lead the town to a mislynch upon my death.
However, I checked toad and survived, meaning toad is town.
bugs in the quicktopic told me that he 100% trusts me as non-scum, yet when I roleclaimed to him, he has refused to change his vote.
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But if you're scum, why wouldn't you have included beast-mode BC in your little "plan"....the only reason I can imagine is because that would be too obvious...especially if you were lynched and flipped scum operator - that would immediately implicate BC if he's scum too and in circles with people by virtue of his reputation alone.
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On March 01 2012 07:11 Toadesstern wrote:
I can only shoot after a townie was lynched and if the target voted for that person as well.
n2 I did a last minute swtich and thought RoL voted for BH and realized only too late that he did not. That's why I asked him "RoL why are you still alive?" because I thought I shot. Then I realized he never voted for BH and I failed massivly.
On March 03 2012 03:39 Toadesstern wrote:
I never wasted my role or did not understand it, don't know what you're talking about.
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OH that's why you trusted me without a reason kita. makes sense I guess. I got a little worried about you d2 because of your "I'd take toad to mylo without thinking abou it" and the only reason you gave was me putting in effort which really isn't alignment telling in my case :p
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On March 03 2012 05:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
But if you're scum, why wouldn't you have included beast-mode BC in your little "plan"....the only reason I can imagine is because that would be too obvious...especially if you were lynched and flipped scum operator - that would immediately implicate BC if he's scum too and in circles with people by virtue of his reputation alone.
"Beast mode BC"?
BC is know for good scumplay. So he would be hard to catch as scum, yes?
BC is not known for his good townplay. So he is not an ideal choice, yes?
Syllo thought he was scum. So linking him with syllo would be unproductive, yes?
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
Do you plan to switch off toad, layabout?
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Hmmmm, interesting.
So in you're list Kita, if you knew Toad was town, why did you have me the highest on the list besides you?
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On March 03 2012 05:54 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 07:11 Toadesstern wrote:
I can only shoot after a townie was lynched and if the target voted for that person as well.
n2 I did a last minute swtich and thought RoL voted for BH and realized only too late that he did not. That's why I asked him "RoL why are you still alive?" because I thought I shot. Then I realized he never voted for BH and I failed massivly.
Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 03:39 Toadesstern wrote:
I never wasted my role or did not understand it, don't know what you're talking about.
I got one shot. Since you (mafia) quoted the right post anyways I can tell you that as well. I "failed" because I did not shoot that night although I wanted. I did not waste my power. I just shot a night later than I intended...
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On March 03 2012 05:57 Jitsu wrote:
Hmmmm, interesting.
So in you're list Kita, if you knew Toad was town, why did you have me the highest on the list besides you?
Because I don't want the player who I have a green check on to get shot?
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