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On February 28 2012 06:16 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 05:53 Elegance wrote:On February 28 2012 05:39 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On February 28 2012 05:27 r.Evo wrote:On February 28 2012 05:07 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
I mean, it's a lot easier just standing around, people approaching you, and you playing judge so to speak, than actually having to make the approaches and be the one to make things happen. So, when was your operation exactly? Sounds like you have a very clear idea about what it's like to be a woman. Just going off of what girls tell me. You know, talking to people in order to gain an understanding from their experiences and perspective. You should try it sometime, boy. The same women who tell you stuff like this? ![[image loading]](http://glpiggy.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/deserve.jpg?w=630) EDIT: Of course, its not always like this. But there are some harsh cold truths that the stuff that really bothers girls is what gets you the desirable responses Actually, I think you have it the other way around. It's usually the girls who have some weird mental block that always makes them have the attitude of "omg it's so hard to find a decent guy" when they meet guys who are well suited or even way above their level all the time, or the type that basically want a guy to be their bitch that say things like in the picture. I'm sorry, but while I'm a decent lover, I'm not anyone's dog. I have my own things and responsibilities too. That kind of girl though that wants you to be her bitch doesn't even take into consideration the fact when you spend all your free time with them. The women I was referring to are more realistic and more "fair" so to speak, and pretty much the opposite of that picture. In addition to not having the mental block described in that picture, I noted that they can make good choices in regards to all the approaches, so the whole process isn't a big, big challenge. So, when you're just sitting around and getting the approaches, and on top of that you're able to make good decisions, that's rather harder than the "gotta be a super awesome baller and man up and make an approach with the right moves, words, and grooves to make shit happen" imo. They're down when they come across a guy who they feel they really click with, and don't think they're Queen Sheba and deserve the world like people who believe what's stated in that picture. Ya know, call me dick see if I care, but I think putting 70% of the total input into a relationship is enough. And while a relationship in which the guy is basically the girl's bitch tends to be more stable, you honestly think I'd ever, ever humiliate myself like that? ROFL.
You are missing the point. Whoever the girl is, you have to take what they say to you with a grain of salt
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On February 28 2012 06:41 Elegance wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 06:16 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On February 28 2012 05:53 Elegance wrote:On February 28 2012 05:39 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On February 28 2012 05:27 r.Evo wrote:On February 28 2012 05:07 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
I mean, it's a lot easier just standing around, people approaching you, and you playing judge so to speak, than actually having to make the approaches and be the one to make things happen. So, when was your operation exactly? Sounds like you have a very clear idea about what it's like to be a woman. Just going off of what girls tell me. You know, talking to people in order to gain an understanding from their experiences and perspective. You should try it sometime, boy. The same women who tell you stuff like this? EDIT: Of course, its not always like this. But there are some harsh cold truths that the stuff that really bothers girls is what gets you the desirable responses Actually, I think you have it the other way around. It's usually the girls who have some weird mental block that always makes them have the attitude of "omg it's so hard to find a decent guy" when they meet guys who are well suited or even way above their level all the time, or the type that basically want a guy to be their bitch that say things like in the picture. I'm sorry, but while I'm a decent lover, I'm not anyone's dog. I have my own things and responsibilities too. That kind of girl though that wants you to be her bitch doesn't even take into consideration the fact when you spend all your free time with them. The women I was referring to are more realistic and more "fair" so to speak, and pretty much the opposite of that picture. In addition to not having the mental block described in that picture, I noted that they can make good choices in regards to all the approaches, so the whole process isn't a big, big challenge. So, when you're just sitting around and getting the approaches, and on top of that you're able to make good decisions, that's rather harder than the "gotta be a super awesome baller and man up and make an approach with the right moves, words, and grooves to make shit happen" imo. They're down when they come across a guy who they feel they really click with, and don't think they're Queen Sheba and deserve the world like people who believe what's stated in that picture. Ya know, call me dick see if I care, but I think putting 70% of the total input into a relationship is enough. And while a relationship in which the guy is basically the girl's bitch tends to be more stable, you honestly think I'd ever, ever humiliate myself like that? ROFL. You are missing the point. Whoever the girl is, you have to take what they say to you with a grain of salt
Alright, alright, you win boss. Normally I'd like to trust my better friends and in particular what they say from experience, but if you're saying what girls say have no weight (I have trouble stomaching this), then I guess I should completely disregard their experiences of things they did first-hand as well? O_o Can you explain why?
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On February 28 2012 05:46 r.Evo wrote:
Women get approached more than guys, correct and easily verifable.
Women get approached with GUYS THEY WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH ALL THE TIME, your personal opinion with no possible backup.
Assuming you'd be approached by 50 girls you find unattractive as hell and wouldn't want to have sex with if they were the last woman on the planet, would I say you have easy access? No, you don't because you don't see them as potential suitors.
PS: You're the one insulting me in your posts. I point at the fact that you present your personal opinion about how females having it easy as fuck as a verificable and correct fact.
tl;dr: If a girl gets approached by 100 guys in a night "offering her sex" but only one of them would be someone she'd go into bed with she doesn't have it easy.
sounds more like a philosophical question to me then.
"is it easier to say no to 99 guys or to ask out 99 girls?". i can easily see both standpoints  . i still think it's easier to say no for 99 times . i could do that!
ps: our arguments are so incredibly silly right now. we should stop wasting each other's time.
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On February 28 2012 06:16 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
ACCESS means it is available. If I have a liquor store near my house, even if it's a shitty one, it still means I have ACCESS to a liquor store. You don't seem to know what access means, but I'll excuse you for that since English is not your first language. Yes, if 50 girls approached me right now, I would have ease of access to sex, since I would basically have access to have sex with 50 girls. You see the difference? Having access to something doesn't necessarily mean you're going to use it. You're getting these things mixed up. At least we have this issue of semantics cleared now.
Now on to the next point: Making the choice (again, this isn't access). That's the hard thing you're referring to. Like I said, there's always going to be guys in the "line" that are well-suited, so it's just a matter of pick and choose. It isn't entirely easy, don't get me wrong, but how does it compare to the dude doing pick-up?
You are missing my point.
On February 28 2012 05:07 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
I mean, it's a lot easier just standing around, people approaching you, and you playing judge so to speak, than actually having to make the approaches and be the one to make things happen.
This statement is not verifiable.
Your statement is that girls have it a lot easer to establish a sexual relationship based on the fact that they are approached a lot more than guys.
You are stipulating that being approached by 50 guys means easier access to sex with someone you want to have sex than e.g. approaching 50 girls which you all find attractive.
The latter involves active work based on the fact that you're going out and approach girls which are ALL SUITABLE FOR YOU, the former involves active work based on the fact that you have to find out which of those 50 guys is suitable at all and then make sure you help overcome possible obstacles on the way to a sexual relationship, including a whole lot more of social pressure.
Now that we have your issue with reading comprehension out of the way, let's move on to the next point:
Being in the role you described me in, if I was just doing my own thing, and girls were hitting on me, and eventually all I had to do was make a choice, you can't say with a straight face that's as challenging as (especially for a person like me who always weighs things against each other on a daily basis and is rather accustomed to doing it fast and well) when compared to approaching, making conversation, and making magic work (especially with asian girls O_O). Umm, if someone is good at making choices, like some of the girls I've known, it's not a huge issue.
So, you are saying that if you're in a scenario where the following statements are true...
a) You know beforehand you will get approached by 50 girls over the course of an evening.
b) You don't know beforehand who these girls will be and if you'll be attracted to any of them.
c) If you want to engage in a sexual relationship you have to be mindful of what people around you, your friends and possible people who will see you at the venue the next weekend think. You have to be mindful about if one of the girls is completely batshit insane and find out about that within a short period of time. And, if you finally find a girl who doesn't seem retarded and attractive you have to make sure everything goes towards a sexual relationship with the above in mind... WITHOUT MAKING IT SEEM LIKE YOU ENJOY CASUAL SEX ON A DAILY BASIS.
...is a "pretty easy situation"?
k.
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On February 28 2012 06:50 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 06:41 Elegance wrote:On February 28 2012 06:16 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On February 28 2012 05:53 Elegance wrote:On February 28 2012 05:39 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On February 28 2012 05:27 r.Evo wrote:On February 28 2012 05:07 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
I mean, it's a lot easier just standing around, people approaching you, and you playing judge so to speak, than actually having to make the approaches and be the one to make things happen. So, when was your operation exactly? Sounds like you have a very clear idea about what it's like to be a woman. Just going off of what girls tell me. You know, talking to people in order to gain an understanding from their experiences and perspective. You should try it sometime, boy. The same women who tell you stuff like this? EDIT: Of course, its not always like this. But there are some harsh cold truths that the stuff that really bothers girls is what gets you the desirable responses Actually, I think you have it the other way around. It's usually the girls who have some weird mental block that always makes them have the attitude of "omg it's so hard to find a decent guy" when they meet guys who are well suited or even way above their level all the time, or the type that basically want a guy to be their bitch that say things like in the picture. I'm sorry, but while I'm a decent lover, I'm not anyone's dog. I have my own things and responsibilities too. That kind of girl though that wants you to be her bitch doesn't even take into consideration the fact when you spend all your free time with them. The women I was referring to are more realistic and more "fair" so to speak, and pretty much the opposite of that picture. In addition to not having the mental block described in that picture, I noted that they can make good choices in regards to all the approaches, so the whole process isn't a big, big challenge. So, when you're just sitting around and getting the approaches, and on top of that you're able to make good decisions, that's rather harder than the "gotta be a super awesome baller and man up and make an approach with the right moves, words, and grooves to make shit happen" imo. They're down when they come across a guy who they feel they really click with, and don't think they're Queen Sheba and deserve the world like people who believe what's stated in that picture. Ya know, call me dick see if I care, but I think putting 70% of the total input into a relationship is enough. And while a relationship in which the guy is basically the girl's bitch tends to be more stable, you honestly think I'd ever, ever humiliate myself like that? ROFL. You are missing the point. Whoever the girl is, you have to take what they say to you with a grain of salt Alright, alright, you win boss. Normally I'd like to trust my better friends and in particular what they say from experience, but if you're saying what girls say have no weight (I have trouble stomaching this), then I guess I should completely disregard their experiences of things they did first-hand as well? O_o Can you explain why?
Taking something with a grain of salt != has no weight. Damn that reading comprehension.
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On February 28 2012 07:02 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 06:16 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
ACCESS means it is available. If I have a liquor store near my house, even if it's a shitty one, it still means I have ACCESS to a liquor store. You don't seem to know what access means, but I'll excuse you for that since English is not your first language. Yes, if 50 girls approached me right now, I would have ease of access to sex, since I would basically have access to have sex with 50 girls. You see the difference? Having access to something doesn't necessarily mean you're going to use it. You're getting these things mixed up. At least we have this issue of semantics cleared now.
Now on to the next point: Making the choice (again, this isn't access). That's the hard thing you're referring to. Like I said, there's always going to be guys in the "line" that are well-suited, so it's just a matter of pick and choose. It isn't entirely easy, don't get me wrong, but how does it compare to the dude doing pick-up? You are missing my point. Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 05:07 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
I mean, it's a lot easier just standing around, people approaching you, and you playing judge so to speak, than actually having to make the approaches and be the one to make things happen. This statement is not verifiable. Your statement is that girls have it a lot easer to establish a sexual relationship based on the fact that they are approached a lot more than guys. You are stipulating that being approached by 50 guys means easier access to sex with someone you want to have sex than e.g. approaching 50 girls which you all find attractive. The latter involves active work based on the fact that you're going out and approach girls which are ALL SUITABLE FOR YOU, the former involves active work based on the fact that you have to find out which of those 50 guys is suitable at all and then make sure you help overcome possible obstacles on the way to a sexual relationship, including a whole lot more of social pressure. Now that we have your issue with reading comprehension out of the way, let's move on to the next point: Show nested quote +Being in the role you described me in, if I was just doing my own thing, and girls were hitting on me, and eventually all I had to do was make a choice, you can't say with a straight face that's as challenging as (especially for a person like me who always weighs things against each other on a daily basis and is rather accustomed to doing it fast and well) when compared to approaching, making conversation, and making magic work (especially with asian girls O_O). Umm, if someone is good at making choices, like some of the girls I've known, it's not a huge issue. So, you are saying that if you're in a scenario where the following statements are true... a) You know beforehand you will get approached by 50 girls over the course of an evening. b) You don't know beforehand who these girls will be and if you'll be attracted to any of them. c) If you want to engage in a sexual relationship you have to be mindful of what people around you, your friends and possible people who will see you at the venue the next weekend think. You have to be mindful about if one of the girls is completely batshit insane and find out about that within a short period of time. And, if you finally find a girl who doesn't seem retarded and attractive you have to make sure everything goes towards a sexual relationship with the above in mind... WITHOUT MAKING IT SEEM LIKE YOU ENJOY CASUAL SEX ON A DAILY BASIS. ...is a "pretty easy situation"? k.
Damn son, I simply correct that fact that you didn't know what the word "access" means, and you start being a dick again XD. If I've learned anything, it's that you have a really short temper. Can't have a reasonable discussion without you going bonkers and throwing insults, even when I admit you are right where credit is due. If someone doesn't absolutely agree with you or even counters your points, your ego gets hurt and you rage like Idra. Do Germans take offense when they claim to be top dog and then get shut down, or is it just you? Happened in both world wars, at least.
Anyways, there isn't anywhere I had trouble with reading comprehension. From the second paragraph in the part you quoted (and from other parts of the post), I know your point was that making a choice is a challenge, like you elaborate in this post I'm quoting. If you actually read the rest of my post post, you would see that I acknowledged you were making that making the decision was hard, so you're just trying to throw insults in claiming that I miscomprehended something. To turn the tables, let's face it, if you didn't fail at reading comprehension, you would have seen that I acknowledged what you were saying. Rofl XD. Unless of course you're referring to something else not in the quoted section, in which case I ask you to actually stop raging and to be clear.
However, in regards to the first paragraph in the quoted part you were also getting that a bit mixed up with access, which I had to correct, as having access/opportunity, and making a decision, are two different things. I hope you understand that now. I understood what you were saying, but I had counterpoints. Spoiler alert, but disagreement isn't not lacking comprehension. It helps to learn what things mean. All I was doing in that point was explaining to you what a word means, so basically you're making no sense when you're saying I didn't get what you meant. Quoting another part of my post would have been more viable.
In any case, like I said, the hard thing you were talking about was in MAKING the choice, as you talk about in this post I'm replying to as well, so, again, I knew what you were talking about. That I agreed with, but questioned to what degree and noted the important fact you seem to be ignoring that is depends a ton on if the girl is able to rationalize and make decisions well. Unless you're claiming all girls suck at making decisions, then you have to accept the fact that this isn't all black and white. You see? You learn a new thing everyday. To use an analogy, you're well-acquainted with, the world isn't Fascists and Communists. There's lots of in between, even during the 1930s-40s.
Now to another course of business, let's get to some real comedy.
you're going out and approach girls which are ALL SUITABLE FOR YOU
lolwut. How the fuck is a girl I don't know suitable? LOL. You see boyo, it works both ways. And while there's guys who feel a super hot girl is all they want suitable for them, there's girls who feel a super hot guy is all they want suitable for them too. While there's guys who think about the things you list, there's girls that way too. It works both ways.
You're painting the one scenario where all the guy is thinking is "omg hot girl I want sex", whereas the girl has all these thoughts running through her head and noble goals and whatnot to a point where she practically never has sex, which is naive to only consider this one case. Sorry, but it doesn't always work that way. Be more thoughtful of the possibilities.
To think that all guys just care about a girl being hot and all girls care about an overwhelming number of things to a point some would wonder if they ever get sex it's so extreme, and there is no possible case otherwise, is really, really naive and stupid. It just doesn't work that way. There are so many possibilities, but you choose the most extreme scenario to try and make a point. Pathetic.
Now this leads into the next part:
a) You know beforehand you will get approached by 50 girls over the course of an evening.
b) You don't know beforehand who these girls will be and if you'll be attracted to any of them.
c) If you want to engage in a sexual relationship you have to be mindful of what people around you, your friends and possible people who will see you at the venue the next weekend think. You have to be mindful about if one of the girls is completely batshit insane and find out about that within a short period of time. And, if you finally find a girl who doesn't seem retarded and attractive you have to make sure everything goes towards a sexual relationship with the above in mind... WITHOUT MAKING IT SEEM LIKE YOU ENJOY CASUAL SEX ON A DAILY BASIS.
Like stated earlier, you're doing 2 things wrong: 1) painting a very extreme scenario for both the approached and the approachee with no other considerations or scenarios, and 2) ignoring the fact that things work both ways.
If I were in the situation of the approached in this hypothetical world of role reversals, being a generally rational man and very thoughtful and intent on making decisions. Of course, if I was a slutty person (remember, we need to consider more possibilities), and the main thing to me was that the girl was hot, of course getting approached, hit on, and accepting a hot girl would be great from that perspective. Not to mention with the things in mind, it's great bragging rights assuming I would ever care to brag about things like that.
Now, let's go back to the real-life situation where the dudes are making the approaches nearly all the time. Now despite the fact that I I make the approaches and contrary to your silly scenario, I actually do worry about all these things, and more, especially when I have the intent of a relationship. I do have to be mindful of the people around me, about my friends and people who recognize me from a previous time, about if the girl I am approaching and meeting is batshit insane before I go asking her out on a date, and WITHOUT MAKING IT SEEM LIKE I ENJOY CASUAL SEX ON A DAILY BASIS.
Because in real life, when I didn't give a shit about most of these things, it actually did affect me negatively, with even some good friends thinking I was a pimp or something (in a bad way), along with tons of other bad stigma being attached to me. I guess if I was a douche and all my pals were douches too, it wouldn't be so bad, but since that isn't the case and my friends and most other acquaintances are antagonized by this sort of thing, I have to be really careful too. Fact of the matter is it works both ways. And mind you, this is as the one APPROACHING, not even the one being APPROACHED. And of course, on top of this is also being the one having to make all the effort of approaching, conversing, leading, and dealing with the straight up awkwardness if and when it kinda stalls / doesn't work out lol and I stand there looking a bit foolish XD, of course among the other things the one approaching typically does.
See how I turned the tables and showed how even the one approaching has considerations to make also, unless they're the manslut "omg that girl is hot i want sex nothing else to consider" type (my apologies if you fall into this category)? That sting in the ass, tell me, does it hurt? It seems like it.
On February 28 2012 07:03 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 06:50 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On February 28 2012 06:41 Elegance wrote:On February 28 2012 06:16 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On February 28 2012 05:53 Elegance wrote:On February 28 2012 05:39 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On February 28 2012 05:27 r.Evo wrote:On February 28 2012 05:07 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
I mean, it's a lot easier just standing around, people approaching you, and you playing judge so to speak, than actually having to make the approaches and be the one to make things happen. So, when was your operation exactly? Sounds like you have a very clear idea about what it's like to be a woman. Just going off of what girls tell me. You know, talking to people in order to gain an understanding from their experiences and perspective. You should try it sometime, boy. The same women who tell you stuff like this? EDIT: Of course, its not always like this. But there are some harsh cold truths that the stuff that really bothers girls is what gets you the desirable responses Actually, I think you have it the other way around. It's usually the girls who have some weird mental block that always makes them have the attitude of "omg it's so hard to find a decent guy" when they meet guys who are well suited or even way above their level all the time, or the type that basically want a guy to be their bitch that say things like in the picture. I'm sorry, but while I'm a decent lover, I'm not anyone's dog. I have my own things and responsibilities too. That kind of girl though that wants you to be her bitch doesn't even take into consideration the fact when you spend all your free time with them. The women I was referring to are more realistic and more "fair" so to speak, and pretty much the opposite of that picture. In addition to not having the mental block described in that picture, I noted that they can make good choices in regards to all the approaches, so the whole process isn't a big, big challenge. So, when you're just sitting around and getting the approaches, and on top of that you're able to make good decisions, that's rather harder than the "gotta be a super awesome baller and man up and make an approach with the right moves, words, and grooves to make shit happen" imo. They're down when they come across a guy who they feel they really click with, and don't think they're Queen Sheba and deserve the world like people who believe what's stated in that picture. Ya know, call me dick see if I care, but I think putting 70% of the total input into a relationship is enough. And while a relationship in which the guy is basically the girl's bitch tends to be more stable, you honestly think I'd ever, ever humiliate myself like that? ROFL. You are missing the point. Whoever the girl is, you have to take what they say to you with a grain of salt Alright, alright, you win boss. Normally I'd like to trust my better friends and in particular what they say from experience, but if you're saying what girls say have no weight (I have trouble stomaching this), then I guess I should completely disregard their experiences of things they did first-hand as well? O_o Can you explain why? Taking something with a grain of salt != has no weight. Damn that reading comprehension.
You are so lost in this battle, that you feel the need to show bad forum etiquette to double post, and even worse, for the sole purpose of being a smart ass to try and dig yourself out of the trench you're in.
smh.
In any case, taking things with a grain of salt means that it's pretty much negligible. Generally when people say that, they mean you must not take what someone said as having much bearing. Similar expressions are taking it at face value, not having weight, etc. In other words, they're pretty much synonymous, but people trying to show they have some "intelligence" like to be smart asses and claim they are extremely different things.
You can be a smart ass even more and try and argue that all of these have drastically different meanings (in fact I would encourage you to do in order to rebuild up your ego and make you feel like you're actually digging yourself out of the hole you're in, which is the only explanation for why you practice bad forum etiquette with the sole purpose of making a smart ass comment), but don't complain if I enjoy the lulz. 
Now, if you were an actually helpful and reasonable person rather than raging and unknowingly being a great comedian, you would have actually provided some clarification on why Elegance was saying that I should take what girls say, even good friends speaking from first-hand experience as it comes across as being terribly misogynistic and I'd very much like to assume he meant something else, rather than you deciding to be an ass. Bad decision there, mate.
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So you respond to something I never said with (summed up):
First of all, access isn't what you think it means. .. One is a semantic issue you may be having trouble with. The second is one to do with comparison. You don't seem to know what access means, but I'll excuse you for that since English is not your first language. At least we have this issue of semantics cleared now.
Which is clearly not insulting my understanding of the english language.
..to which I respond with:
Now that we have your issue with reading comprehension out of the way ...as the only insulting part of my post.
and that makes me... (all quotes from your last post):
a) A dick
b) Me going bonkers
c) Raging like Idra
c) A typical german who takes offense when he gets shut down like what happened to germans in both world wars
d) ME failing at reading comprehension
e) Someone who got a "sting in the ass" from your statement
f) Someone who hurts forum etiquette by doubleposting to respond to an entirely different topic
g) A smartass for argueing semantics (which you just did yourself)
h) Raging again (not like IdrA)
i) A great comedian (I think, judging a-h, this is meant as an insult once again)
j) A "boyo", whatever that means. I'm guessing it's meant to call me immature and u18.
k) Someone who has the need to rebuild his ego.
l) A person who is neither helpfull nor reasonable.
I hereby apologize for derailing the thread, and I hope, now that it's clearly established that I'm a very insulting, raging and therefore stupid person, that the thread can go back to topic.
Edit: added j) - l)
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There are some good things to learn from this kind of stuff, but I think it's creepy when people call it an art. Demonstrating value and being confident/interesting is really all you have to do. It seems that a lot of it is just a placebo for unconfident men through extreme observation of social interaction. Doesn't matter if you practice pick up lines or anything else this would have you do, if you talk to girls more you'll get better at it, if you're in high school or older and you keep doing it you'll have a lot of success.
It's a lot like trying to get in grand masters but easier =D
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On February 28 2012 18:52 not jack wrote:
There are some good things to learn from this kind of stuff, but I think it's creepy when people call it an art. Demonstrating value and being confident/interesting is really all you have to do. It seems that a lot of it is just a placebo for unconfident men through extreme observation of social interaction. Doesn't matter if you practice pick up lines or anything else this would have you do, if you talk to girls more you'll get better at it, if you're in high school or older and you keep doing it you'll have a lot of success.
It's a lot like trying to get in grand masters but easier =D
Any form of communication is an art. To connect and relate to another human being. They just get good at doing it socially and maybe even sexually XD.
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This thread have gone to shit. What ever happened to peace between bros? By the process of classification, we are suppose to be on the same side.
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I think if r.Evo spent a tenth as much time talking to girls than writing 10 page posts, he would actually be somewhat legit. Haha.
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On February 29 2012 02:16 squattincassanova wrote:
I think if r.Evo spent a tenth as much time talking to girls than writing 10 page posts, he would actually be somewhat legit. Haha.
Hi, I started with pickup about 4-4.5 years ago. I initially started with this stuff because I felt left out when it came to girls. I wasn't the guy who chose his girls or knew what to do to get them attracted to him. Even though I sometimes got lucky and picked up by a girl for a while, I was basicly your standard insecure and unsocial nerd who wanted to be loved and appreciated by the other sex more than he would have admitted in front of people he liked.
I spent almost one year hurpdurping like a newb, then started doing lots of stuff to improve mah relationships with girlz. When I was busy catching up what I felt that I missed when I was younger I had about 5-6 NCs per weekend, which translated to 4-5 dates, which translated to about 3 lays.
I was lucky enough to have an easy time making money so I was able to invest about 30-50hours per week into approaching, talking to girls and enjoying time with them. After about a year of this I started investing a similar amount of time into martial arts, coaching and salsa and started to tune my "pickupping" down to a more normal schedule - just with more girls than before.
Another year down the road I met a girl with who I am, up to this point, still totally in love with and with who I still enjoy picking up girls. I am currently in a stable long term relationship with a girl who is completely fine when I'm having fun with other women and actually enjoys to join the fun as well.
Even though it is not my primary field of coaching (which is improving social skills and improving ones quality of life in general) I now enjoy helping other dudes who think they're worse with girls than they want to be in my free time. I am a certified NLP master, hold seminars and workshops in front of various companies, adult education centers, self-help groups and pickup lairs in front of up to 100 people on a regular basis.
(...and I think this was the first time in this thread I was in the mood to throw around my backstory, usually posts speak for themselves imo.)
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Cool story bro.
You're a coach? Haha. Send me your website.
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On February 28 2012 20:31 seppolevne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 18:52 not jack wrote:
There are some good things to learn from this kind of stuff, but I think it's creepy when people call it an art. Demonstrating value and being confident/interesting is really all you have to do. It seems that a lot of it is just a placebo for unconfident men through extreme observation of social interaction. Doesn't matter if you practice pick up lines or anything else this would have you do, if you talk to girls more you'll get better at it, if you're in high school or older and you keep doing it you'll have a lot of success.
It's a lot like trying to get in grand masters but easier =D
Any form of communication is an art. To connect and relate to another human being. They just get good at doing it socially and maybe even sexually XD.
I'm saying it's strange when people look at this scientifically. It's definitely fun to do and has a lot of creativity involved, but I feel like this whole thing is a way for people who don't think they can be good socially to find an alternative way to pick up girls, and it's not as genuine for the person. Basically there's a lot of guys who are better at picking up girls and college parties and clubs that don't take it anywhere near this seriously.
I bet if half the people in this thread took more time to make value for themselves by going to the gym, taking care of themselves, and being successful in life, they wouldn't need to study ways to demonstrate value, and would be much better off as well as being able to talk to girls.
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On February 29 2012 03:23 not jack wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 20:31 seppolevne wrote:On February 28 2012 18:52 not jack wrote:
There are some good things to learn from this kind of stuff, but I think it's creepy when people call it an art. Demonstrating value and being confident/interesting is really all you have to do. It seems that a lot of it is just a placebo for unconfident men through extreme observation of social interaction. Doesn't matter if you practice pick up lines or anything else this would have you do, if you talk to girls more you'll get better at it, if you're in high school or older and you keep doing it you'll have a lot of success.
It's a lot like trying to get in grand masters but easier =D
Any form of communication is an art. To connect and relate to another human being. They just get good at doing it socially and maybe even sexually XD. I'm saying it's strange when people look at this scientifically. It's definitely fun to do and has a lot of creativity involved, but I feel like this whole thing is a way for people who don't think they can be good socially to find an alternative way to pick up girls, and it's not as genuine for the person. Basically there's a lot of guys who are better at picking up girls and college parties and clubs that don't take it anywhere near this seriously. I bet if half the people in this thread took more time to make value for themselves by going to the gym, taking care of themselves, and being successful in life, they wouldn't need to study ways to demonstrate value, and would be much better off as well as being able to talk to girls.
It definitely helps... being buff, rich, good looking, good fashion. It alone will not be able to compensate if you have horrible game. I was buffer and in better shape before I got into the game. I was already making near six figures. Still didn't mean I could get girls.
You have to fix your weakest point. If you are 500 pounds and you are social. What makes more sense to spend your time on? Probably more working out than socializing.
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On February 29 2012 03:31 squattincassanova wrote:Show nested quote +On February 29 2012 03:23 not jack wrote:On February 28 2012 20:31 seppolevne wrote:On February 28 2012 18:52 not jack wrote:
There are some good things to learn from this kind of stuff, but I think it's creepy when people call it an art. Demonstrating value and being confident/interesting is really all you have to do. It seems that a lot of it is just a placebo for unconfident men through extreme observation of social interaction. Doesn't matter if you practice pick up lines or anything else this would have you do, if you talk to girls more you'll get better at it, if you're in high school or older and you keep doing it you'll have a lot of success.
It's a lot like trying to get in grand masters but easier =D
Any form of communication is an art. To connect and relate to another human being. They just get good at doing it socially and maybe even sexually XD. I'm saying it's strange when people look at this scientifically. It's definitely fun to do and has a lot of creativity involved, but I feel like this whole thing is a way for people who don't think they can be good socially to find an alternative way to pick up girls, and it's not as genuine for the person. Basically there's a lot of guys who are better at picking up girls and college parties and clubs that don't take it anywhere near this seriously. I bet if half the people in this thread took more time to make value for themselves by going to the gym, taking care of themselves, and being successful in life, they wouldn't need to study ways to demonstrate value, and would be much better off as well as being able to talk to girls. It definitely helps... being buff, rich, good looking, good fashion. It alone will not be able to compensate if you have horrible game. I was buffer and in better shape before I got into the game. I was already making near six figures. Still didn't mean I could get girls. You have to fix your weakest point. If you are 500 pounds and you are social. What makes more sense to spend your time on? Probably more working out than socializing.
There's definitely exceptions, there's a few facey guys in my fraternity who should not pull as poorly as they do. I still think my claim in my second paragraph holds a lot of weight though. Through studying all of these teachings and having trial and error, the people are gaining confidence just like they would through refining other parts of their life.
The question comes down to if you're 220 pounds and not social, what makes more sense? I'd say working out will help you be confident and more social, while just being more social won't increase your health and life expectancy.
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Obviously, I'm generalizing based on whats most common. I'm making an extreme example to prove a point. 200 pounds vs 205 pounds of muscle, who gives a shit. Difference too small to matter.
Nobody said pick up is all about being in a basement studying pick up like a nerd. I only spend about 10 hours a week on pickup.
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On February 29 2012 03:51 squattincassanova wrote:
Obviously, I'm generalizing based on whats most common. I'm making an extreme example to prove a point. 200 pounds vs 205 pounds of muscle, who gives a shit. Difference too small to matter.
Missing the point, I mean if you're slightly overweight (don't know what the average for overweight is) and also not social, it's more beneficial to lose the weight before you do this stuff. The extreme example doesn't help your point, a 500 pound person would have no worries in the world except not having a heart attack when they stand up.
I'm not really hating on this stuff either, I agreed with your one point, there are definitely rare times where someone needs to think "I really just dont know how to talk to girls".
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And what I am saying is you need to work on whats holding you back the most.
Being slightly over weight doesn't make much of a difference on your results.
If you are homeless, you should work on getting a job first
If you are a fat ass, you should work on cardio first
If you are social but can't flirt, you should work on flirting first
If you have mad acne but are normal all around, you should buy some damn accutane.
Its a pretty simple concept. You work on big things that instantly turn off girls. And if you are all around weak, then work everything somewhat equally.
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On February 29 2012 03:51 squattincassanova wrote:
Nobody said pick up is all about being in a basement studying pick up like a nerd. I only spend about 10 hours a week on pickup.
That's an average of 4.14 rejections/hour for you. Just thinking about it makes me cringe.
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