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On February 27 2012 13:43 Elegance wrote:There are things in society for females that are frowned upon such as having sex (with many people), and admitting to being attracted by a player (another term i do not like). Alcohol "loosens up" those inhibitions a bit hence why it is much easier to get sex out of a tipsy or drunk female than a sober one.
Since when did we PUAs ever agree with or care about social programming? I must have missed the memo where we all decided to become social conservatives. /sarcasm
The Pussycat Dolls are known sluts to people in the celeb scene, but does that really change their attractiveness to you?
On February 27 2012 13:43 couches wrote:Have you ever bragged to your girl friends about a good lay?
Girls brag to their (close) friends about banging alphas (but not betas of course) all the time. Do you think a girl wouldn't brag about banging, say, Brad Pitt?
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On February 27 2012 13:48 allecto wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 13:35 Sogo Otika wrote:
Just stating facts. By converse, a man's chances of having the clap increases as the number of pussies he's fucked goes up. Fixed it for you. What's up with this double standard of "I don't want women to have sex with a lot of dudes, but I want you to have sex with me right now even though we just met"?
Entitlement and privilege tend to make people less aware of reality.
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On February 27 2012 13:52 RaspberrySC2 wrote:Entitlement and privilege tend to make people less aware of reality.
Cuts both ways. Women tend to be unaware of female entitlement/privilege in the dating world.
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On February 27 2012 13:50 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 13:43 Elegance wrote:There are things in society for females that are frowned upon such as having sex (with many people), and admitting to being attracted by a player (another term i do not like). Alcohol "loosens up" those inhibitions a bit hence why it is much easier to get sex out of a tipsy or drunk female than a sober one. Since when did we PUAs ever agree with or care about social programming? I must have missed the memo where we all decided to become social conservatives. /sarcasm The Pussycat Dolls are known sluts to people in the celeb scene, but does that really change their attractiveness to you? Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 13:43 couches wrote:Have you ever bragged to your girl friends about a good lay? Girls brag to their (close) friends about banging alphas (but not betas of course) all the time. Do you think a girl wouldn't brag about banging, say, Brad Pitt?
What are you even trying to say? Also, there is nothing wrong with banging sluts as long as that's the end of it
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On February 27 2012 13:31 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 13:23 Kh0rne wrote:
I have a personal issue. not exactly PUA. But there seems to be some good (and bad) advice going around.
I am generally pretty good at anything i try my hand at. I just dont (cant?) care about it.
example. I work full time at a job i dont particularly like. It pays the bills & funds the other more enjoyable parts of my life. I could do it better and earn more. I could find another job that i enjoy.
I know that i could and should do these things. But i dont care.
This stance is mirrored in other aspects of my life. (including PUA) I could improve most of them. but i just dont give a shit.
any inputs? Clearly this is not normal behaviour (or is it? wtf) I don't believe you. Why do you show up and ask this question when you don't care about it? Why are you lying?
I know that its fucking stupid behaviour.
It bothers me immensly that i dont care enough to "live my dreams" and shit like i used to.
I'm not looking for a professional diagnosis or a pep-talk. mostly curious if others have seen this behaviour / what others think about it.
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On February 27 2012 13:55 Elegance wrote:What are you even trying to say? Also, there is nothing wrong with banging sluts as long as that's the end of it
It sounds like a number of people are trying to make the case that sluts are unattractive or something like that, and I call BS.
What's wrong with dating a hot babe that has had a dozen sex partners before you, assuming she's STD free? Who cares what her history is, unless (a) you're scared she'll cheat on you, or (b) you're scared you won't "measure" up? After all, her experience will probably make her a better lay and a better girlfriend.
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On February 27 2012 14:00 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 13:55 Elegance wrote:What are you even trying to say? Also, there is nothing wrong with banging sluts as long as that's the end of it It sounds like a number of people are trying to make the case that sluts are unattractive or something like that, and I call BS. What's wrong with dating a hot babe that has had a dozen sex partners before you, assuming she's STD free? Who cares what her history is, unless (a) you're scared she'll cheat on you, or (b) you're scared you won't "measure" up?
Now we are along the same lines.
However, for your second point I do have some things to say. Sluts have a particular personality to them (not all of course, there are always exceptions). Generally, that is not the type of personality that I respond to, so no I wouldn't date them. However, if they do have a personality that I respond to well, and assumning shes STD free, her history doesnt matter. As for her cheating on me or me not measuring up, fortunately I don't worry about those things because a) I have an edge on the vast majority of guys on this subject and b) Abundance. I'm a male nurse, I am used to having beauty around me, they have to show me more than just that to get my attention.
EDIT: With all that said, I'd still be DTF if it's not a relationship
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On February 27 2012 14:05 Elegance wrote:Sluts have a particular personality to them (not all of course, there are always exceptions). Generally, that is not the type of personality that I respond to, so no I wouldn't date them.
That's fine. The point I was criticizing was the idea that this personality is automatically bad.
Considering that some of us would prefer to date HSD women, it seems incorrect to extend this preference to all guys.
Personally, as someone who is polyamorous and prefers HSD bisexual women, most of the women I seriously consider including as an OLTR are sluts (practicing or repressed).
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On February 27 2012 13:56 Kh0rne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 13:31 r.Evo wrote:On February 27 2012 13:23 Kh0rne wrote:
I have a personal issue. not exactly PUA. But there seems to be some good (and bad) advice going around.
I am generally pretty good at anything i try my hand at. I just dont (cant?) care about it.
example. I work full time at a job i dont particularly like. It pays the bills & funds the other more enjoyable parts of my life. I could do it better and earn more. I could find another job that i enjoy.
I know that i could and should do these things. But i dont care.
This stance is mirrored in other aspects of my life. (including PUA) I could improve most of them. but i just dont give a shit.
any inputs? Clearly this is not normal behaviour (or is it? wtf) I don't believe you. Why do you show up and ask this question when you don't care about it? Why are you lying? I know that its fucking stupid behaviour. It bothers me immensly that i dont care enough to "live my dreams" and shit like i used to. I'm not looking for a professional diagnosis or a pep-talk. mostly curious if others have seen this behaviour / what others think about it.
What was different when you used to care enough to live your dreams? What did you do to live your dreams before you stopped caring?
And, food for thought: Why do you think that you don't care about it?
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hooooooooooookay
just wanted to drop in and say a couple things that need to be said
the problem with threads like these, is that they attract the wrong sort of people
the people going out and enjoying life, enjoying companies of his women or whatever his interests are, would be too busy to be this narcisstic cesspool of paragraph masks conveying their E-ego.
Translation: If you don't know what you're talking about, please don't talk. If you think you know what you're talking about, don't pretend like you mastered it. If you actually do know what you are talking about, don't flame others for their false opinion.
I've been playing "the game" on and off since I was 16 (now 20) and its not all sunshine and rainbows. I've gotten laid 6 times which is nothing to brag about, had 1 long term girlfriend who was really nice and hot, and learned a shit load about self confidence.
This is going to sound unrelated and naiive at first, but learning PUA theory is like learning cheese build orders
-They work
-They teach you the fundamentals
-They are limited; there is only one or two cheeses for any given situation/scout report
-They teach you how to "scout" the women's emotions
-EVERYONE CHEESES
Every player/alpha male/whatever personality you are trying to convey over the internet has used one facet of the game to his or his advantage whether he believes he is natural or not.
This could be something as simple as making her qualify her values/positive personality traits.... to something more complex such as doing a cold-read on her.
However, to anyone who says: I'm so cool I can just be myself and girls come to me, or any version of that, stop trying to project a false image.
It's a fact that we are made up by our experiences. There is nothing special in your blood or genes that tells you how to behave a certain way around the ladies to get them to like you "ever so naturally". It's pathetic when I see it. It's like hearing the class jerkoff saying "lol this test was soooo easy how did you not get number 2?" when he already learned a similar concept years ago and thus never had to learn it.
The same applies for pick up, you learned something a long time ago that people who do PUA never did. So don't hate on them, and be modest. Imagine saying this in real life, any person with social calibration can see through your stupid pretenses and incongruent facial expressions in an instant. If they didn't like you they would call you out on it and expose you for being a try hard. If you are just meeting someone, he could simply notice your personality flaws and share his social network with people of better value.
I can guarantee anyone hating on people who practice this are either deluded in their own ability, no matter how great it may be, or basically a troll. It also looks like a bunch of 6th graders arguing over whose the coolest.
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something i'd like to add.
This is not a proper PUA community, Its a Starcraft community.
I dont think i'm the only one that gets lost in all these Acronyms and "PUA language" can we please type it out? I find it very difficult to read sometimes
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On February 27 2012 14:23 Kh0rne wrote:
something i'd like to add.
This is not a proper PUA community, Its a Starcraft community.
I dont think i'm the only one that gets lost in all these Acronyms and "PUA language" can we please type it out? I find it very difficult to read sometimes
no offense but there is google for that, PUA terms (let me google that for your first link) http://www.pualingo.com/pua-terminology-list/
If you wish to join the discussion feel free to educate yourself. I would highly recommend articles on RSDNation.
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On February 27 2012 14:23 Kh0rne wrote:This is not a proper PUA community, Its a Starcraft community.
I dont think i'm the only one that gets lost in all these Acronyms and "PUA language" can we please type it out? I find it very difficult to read sometimes
Good point, actually.
Feel free to ask for clarification if you encounter a term you aren't familiar with. Alternatively, pickup is sufficiently mainstream on the internet these days that you can Google most terms.
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DTF = down to fuck (I guess? Never heard it before).
LSD/HSD = low sexual drive / high sexual drive. (hint: partially bullshit)
LSE/HSE = low self-esteem / high self-esteem (hint: best excuse in the community for why you couldn't get what you intended to get)
LTR = longterm relationship
OLTR = open longterm relationship.
PS: I am hugely biased against the whole LSD/HSD and LSE/HSE concept because it's being abused to hell and back on the biggest german pickup forum. ("YEAH DUDE NP SHE WAS LSE, YOU DID EVERYTHING RIGHT ITS THEM BITCHES FAULT OBV".)
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On February 27 2012 14:23 Kh0rne wrote:
something i'd like to add.
This is not a proper PUA community, Its a Starcraft community.
I dont think i'm the only one that gets lost in all these Acronyms and "PUA language" can we please type it out? I find it very difficult to read sometimes
In Google, type the acronym / expression, and append urban dictionary at the end. You will usually get a working definition of the term  .
Anyways:
After some events earlier this evening, pick-up seems more and more attractive for the reason that you generally meet people who quite possibly don't know anyone else you know. The thing is, sometimes, at least with my luck, when you do well with a lady in some way or another, she tells her friends that's you're cool, etc. or her friends see you hitting on them or w/e, and it can possibly a bit of strife/bad thoughts, or drama directed towards you. And then when you do poorly with a girl, there's a chance she tells her friends what a bad person you are and then they all put up the Iron Curtain against me, at least temporarily. Basically, I did the former, and I can tell a couple girls are not happy :|. C'est la vie.
And as someone who keeps the specifics anonymous / secret irl, I really don't like people knowing who I associate with and whatnot, because when I did, it caused too much drama. It's nice being in a relationship when the only people who know are her friends and a few people you can actually trust not to cause you some sort of drama.
Err... I'll be 21 in a month, and I'll have a good amount of free time this summer x). I'm hitting lounges and clubs. Most my pals are unreliable for meeting new people, anyways. :s
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On February 27 2012 14:28 r.Evo wrote:LSD/HSD = low sexual drive / high sexual drive. (hint: partially bullshit)
It's scientifically understood that people have different levels of sex drive. There's a reason asexuals exist.
On February 27 2012 14:28 r.Evo wrote:LSE/HSE = low self-esteem / high self-esteem (hint: best excuse in the community for why you couldn't get what you intended to get)
As far as I'm aware, these terms are generally used to better understand how to calibrate to a particular girl. Girls with low self-esteem must be approached much differently from girls with high self-esteem; for example, good-natured jokes at a girl's expense works wonders if she has HSE, but can simply make her run away crying you're an asshole if used on a girl who has LSE.
Yes, I'm sure there are PUAs and wannabes who misuse those terms, but that doesn't mean they're not valuable concepts when used properly.
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On February 27 2012 14:33 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 14:28 r.Evo wrote:LSD/HSD = low sexual drive / high sexual drive. (hint: partially bullshit) It's scientifically understood that people have different amounts of sex drive. There's a reason asexuals exist. Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 14:28 r.Evo wrote:LSE/HSE = low self-esteem / high self-esteem (hint: best excuse in the community for why you couldn't get what you intended to get) As far as I'm aware, these terms are generally used to better understand how to calibrate to a particular girl. Girls with low self-esteem must be approached much differently from girls with high self-esteem; for example, good-natured jokes at a girl's expense works wonders if she has HSE, but can simply make her run away crying you're an asshole if used on a girl who has LSE.
Welp, you're right. What I'm pissed about are not the categories themselves, but how badly I see them being used in the community.
I've seen tons of guys using LSD as a stupid excuse as to why they experienced LMR or couldn't get a girl attracted, just like I've seen tons of guys who used LSE as a description for a girl who didn't show compliance for whatever reason. Or, even worse, suddenly a guy finds pickup, reads up on what LSE means and decides all women he had in his life were stupid bitches without self-esteem.
Based on the experience I have had with most guys enjoying excuses similar to the above I'd usually not recommend any new guy to give too much into those terms. Correctly judging someones self-esteem or sex-drive based on only small bits of information available is pretty damn hard for someone who's never tried to do so before and can lead to lots of vewy, vewy bad traps.
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On February 27 2012 13:50 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 13:43 couches wrote:Have you ever bragged to your girl friends about a good lay? Girls brag to their (close) friends about banging alphas (but not betas of course) all the time. Do you think a girl wouldn't brag about banging, say, Brad Pitt?
Well duh, I'm just asking her about it. Because it pretty much ruins her argument that the number of women a dude has slept with doesn't affect his desireability. She seems to have run away, though I don't necessarily need her acknowledgement to get my point across. Sogo summed it up more briefly than I could on the last page. The more women you are with, the more other women are hearing about your intense sessions and will want a piece of you as well. And considering how interconnected we are these days (facebook, every woman in their 20s has one), it isn't too tough for them to find a way to contact you.
On February 27 2012 13:56 Kh0rne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 13:31 r.Evo wrote:On February 27 2012 13:23 Kh0rne wrote:
I have a personal issue. not exactly PUA. But there seems to be some good (and bad) advice going around.
I am generally pretty good at anything i try my hand at. I just dont (cant?) care about it.
example. I work full time at a job i dont particularly like. It pays the bills & funds the other more enjoyable parts of my life. I could do it better and earn more. I could find another job that i enjoy.
I know that i could and should do these things. But i dont care.
This stance is mirrored in other aspects of my life. (including PUA) I could improve most of them. but i just dont give a shit.
any inputs? Clearly this is not normal behaviour (or is it? wtf) I don't believe you. Why do you show up and ask this question when you don't care about it? Why are you lying? I know that its fucking stupid behaviour. It bothers me immensly that i dont care enough to "live my dreams" and shit like i used to. I'm not looking for a professional diagnosis or a pep-talk. mostly curious if others have seen this behaviour / what others think about it. I don't think asking the internet what's wrong with you will provide you with any sufficent answers. Just experiences on what others did. For me, when I feel apathetic or conplacent with my situation, and I know I could be doing better, I stop looking for reasons to justify my complatency. Because that actually tricks me into thinking things are ok when they aren't. To be brief, I just man up and get done what needs to get done.
It's the same thing as forcing yourself to get out of a hot shower and brave the temperature change while you dry off.
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Show nested quote +I know that its fucking stupid behaviour.
It bothers me immensly that i dont care enough to "live my dreams" and shit like i used to.
I'm not looking for a professional diagnosis or a pep-talk. mostly curious if others have seen this behaviour / what others think about it.
What was different when you used to care enough to live your dreams? What did you do to live your dreams before you stopped caring? And, food for thought: Why do you think that you don't care about it?
"live your dreams" was poor choice of words.
What was different when you used to care enough to live your dreams? What did you do to live your dreams before you stopped caring?
Basically i was productive, did new and interesting things all the time, enjoyed myself (learnt judo, played soccer, travelled)
And, food for thought: Why do you think that you don't care about it?
Not sure.
Thats whats bothering me.
looking back, i was prolly in depression for a while after a girl broke my heart (6-7 years ago-ish). I dont think thats a problem now though. I stopped socialising for a while & played WOW waaay too much but thats done with.
Got a bad injury and got told i wouldn't run again, That sucked for a while until i was all "fuck this shit" and now i'm playing soccer again (not as good, but still playing)
Its very strange to me, I can see the problems in my life. They aren't bad by any stretch of the imagination.(first world problems lol) I have a good life. But i am too lazy / unmotivated / whatever to fix them up & have a great life.
Deep seated fear of failure? still in depression? early mid life crisis? some wierd freud shit where i want to bang my mother?
I've done some reading on wikipedia about it, havent turned up anything that "fits". (on a side note. some parts of phsycology are straight up wierd....)
With the self help attitude i see from a lot of PUA people that this thread has prompted me to read / youtube. Just seeing if the PUA community can offer any insight
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I don't think asking the internet what's wrong with you will provide you with any sufficent answers. Just experiences on what others did. For me, when I feel apathetic or conplacent with my situation, and I know I could be doing better, I stop looking for reasons to justify my complatency. Because that actually tricks me into thinking things are ok when they aren't. To be brief, I just man up and get done what needs to get done.
It's the same thing as forcing yourself to get out of a hot shower and brave the temperature change while you dry off.
input noted. I do like the shower metaphor.
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