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Sogo Otika
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Sogo Otika
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Elegance
Canada917 Posts
Anyhow, a good way of looking at game (I dislike the term PUA) is like looking at it like a religion - a set of beliefs that a group of people believe in to guide them. Also, are any of you folks familiar with the (perhaps more advanced) natural game? ie. No lines whatsoever, no routines, no canned material, but straight up natural game where you have a set of principles you live by and everything falls into place when you are in a social setting. | ||
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gn0m
Sweden302 Posts
On February 27 2012 12:20 Elegance wrote: Also, are any of you folks familiar with the (perhaps more advanced) natural game? ie. No lines whatsoever, no routines, no canned material, but straight up natural game where you have a set of principles you live by and everything falls into place when you are in a social setting. I would assume that 99 % of all people use "natural game" | ||
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Amaterasu1234
United States317 Posts
On February 27 2012 12:20 Elegance wrote: I feel like everytime I come here, all I see is a wall of text. To be quite honest, I don't feel the need to validate game concepts to other people especially if they aren't willing to embrace it. Anyhow, a good way of looking at game (I dislike the term PUA) is like looking at it like a religion - a set of beliefs that a group of people believe in to guide them. I really like that analogy. Because religion is also a tool, like every other belief system, to be used at the discretion of the believer. In other words, those arguing that members/adherents of PUA who prey on women purely for sex are like Catholic priest that have sex with young boys. No, neither represent their respective communities, but, both can be used for nefarious deeds. Conversely, both can be used for good deeds. Having game doesn't have to end with simply having sex with as many women as possible. On February 27 2012 12:20 Elegance wrote:Also, are any of you folks familiar with the (perhaps more advanced) natural game? ie. No lines whatsoever, no routines, no canned material, but straight up natural game where you have a set of principles you live by and everything falls into place when you are in a social setting. Wouldn't this be the inevitable conclusion of the whole PUA thing? Like...after so much practicing, it just comes naturally and you're able to work in pretty much any environment. | ||
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Sogo Otika
60 Posts
On February 27 2012 12:22 gn0m wrote: I would assume that 99 % of all people use "natural game" You say 99% of people use natural game. So what? It could be good natural game, or it could be absolute shit natural game. Before I read PUA material, my natural game consisted of acting like a needy, pleading bitch ass loser who'd never even kissed a girl before trying to buy girls drinks at the bar while standing alone not talking to anyone. Now my natural game consists of being one of the most popular people in some of the bars I frequent, as well as many people coming up to me to talk to me and girls wanting to introduce themselves to me because I'm one of the cool regulars who everyone knows can party. | ||
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scaban84
United States1080 Posts
On February 27 2012 12:22 gn0m wrote: I would assume that 99 % of all people use "natural game" Absolutely not. Most people are not themselves when encountering an attractive prospect. Most people are try-hard and uncomfortable in these situations. Their adrenalin begins pumping as their brains scramble for something smart to say. | ||
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Sogo Otika
60 Posts
Beginners in PUA start with canned lines and openers. Once they're more used to talking in a social setting, then they can be more natural and start talking naturally without the issues of hesitating and trying to remember lines. | ||
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Elegance
Canada917 Posts
On February 27 2012 12:22 gn0m wrote: I would assume that 99 % of all people use "natural game" If you are referring to people that have not been exposed to game AT ALL, then that's not quite what I am referring to. What I'm talking about is really, AFTER you learn about the game, the basics etc. It all boils down to consistency. Because as many of you may or may not have experienced, you could "use a line" on a girl, works amazing. Then the next night you do the same line, the exact same way and you get blown out. If you have your "natural" game figured out, it doesnt matter what you say, it will yield good response. | ||
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Elegance
Canada917 Posts
On February 27 2012 12:30 Sogo Otika wrote: For some people, you can't get natural game until you've done some practice. It's like martial arts. A beginner has to learn the basic moves before being able to do combos. A beginner in a sparring match might do basic moves one after another. An expert can mix it up with combos. Beginners in PUA start with canned lines and openers. Once they're more used to talking in a social setting, then they can be more natural and start talking naturally without the issues of hesitating and trying to remember lines. This is very true. At the very least, experience talking to females and generally finding reference points on when and why certain principles apply. | ||
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couches
618 Posts
On February 27 2012 12:20 Elegance wrote: I feel like everytime I come here, all I see is a wall of text. To be quite honest, I don't feel the need to validate game concepts to other people especially if they aren't willing to embrace it. Anyhow, a good way of looking at game (I dislike the term PUA) is like looking at it like a religion - a set of beliefs that a group of people believe in to guide them. Also, are any of you folks familiar with the (perhaps more advanced) natural game? ie. No lines whatsoever, no routines, no canned material, but straight up natural game where you have a set of principles you live by and everything falls into place when you are in a social setting. I thought the reason behind the whole pick up/game training thing is because most peoples "natural game" is terrible. | ||
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gn0m
Sweden302 Posts
On February 27 2012 12:26 Sogo Otika wrote: You say 99% of people use natural game. So what? It could be good natural game, or it could be absolute shit natural game. Before I read PUA material, my natural game consisted of acting like a needy, pleading bitch ass loser who'd never even kissed a girl before trying to buy girls drinks at the bar while standing alone not talking to anyone. Now my natural game consists of being one of the most popular people in some of the bars I frequent, as well as many people coming up to me to talk to me and girls wanting to introduce themselves to me because I'm one of the cool regulars who everyone knows can party. I’m glad to hear that you no longer act like a needy bitch ass loser. And I agree, some got good natural game while others have worse. I still think that is way more common than using routines. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On February 27 2012 12:05 gn0m wrote: This might come as a big surprise to you, but I can assure you that there are lots of people that get laid every day even though they are not a part of the PUA community. If you claim that you needed to approach 500 girls before “knowing something about pick up” you must have been horrendously bad to begin with. Locking in? Matching energy levels? Calibrating? Are you for real bro? 99 % of the people on earth don’t give a shit about “caliberating” (whatever that means). The human race have managed to survive for thousands of years without expert advice from PUAs which means that people probably know how to score without “matching energy levels” etc. PUAs general view on girls seems to be that meeting one is mission impossible unless you dedicate your life to pick ups. Unless you are really ugly or socially awkward I would say that its pretty fucking easy to pick up a hot girls, because guess what, girls like to meet guys as well. That is how our race survives. Actually now you're being stupid. Every single person on this planet (I'm excluding people with Aspergers and similar stuff in this post) calibrates themselves when they interact with other human beings. "Locking in into a group" is something every single person on this planet does when talking in a group they're comfortable in. Also every single human being which tries to get to know another human being will try to match energy levels. Kino escalation is something every single human being does to a smaller or bigger extent when he/she tries to establish a relationship (even in a non-sexual context people "escalate kino" when they like each other) with another human being. Just because you have no idea what certain phrases mean and where they originate from doesn't mean they don't exist. Edit: On February 27 2012 12:20 Elegance wrote: Also, are any of you folks familiar with the (perhaps more advanced) natural game? ie. No lines whatsoever, no routines, no canned material, but straight up natural game where you have a set of principles you live by and everything falls into place when you are in a social setting. Imo unless you sooner or later end exactly there you don't understand how seducing women actually works and how to really improve at it. | ||
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Elegance
Canada917 Posts
The value system. You have to look to yourself as the higher value, how do you do that? Im sure there are things about you that are high value, perhaps you've already had success with women. There are plenty of ways you can raise value in your own value system you have going on in your mind. I firmly believe that this is the new direction for the PUA community or at the very least, the next level people are looking for, One very simple thing that changed my life was having standards for women, You would have to know and have met a lot of females for this to truely happen Disclaimer: I have learned the way of the lines (Mystery method, the game etc.) long before I came across this stuff | ||
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RaspberrySC2
United States168 Posts
Physical fitness is a must, guys. I don't give anyone who doesn't look like they can have sex for very long before getting too worn out nearly as much a chance (if any at all) as anyone who is in shape. It's great to be intelligent (if you can pull it off without constantly sounding judgmental anyway), but if I can't tell if you're up to the task of going more than a few minutes, I'm most likely going to friend zone you. | ||
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Sogo Otika
60 Posts
On February 27 2012 12:55 RaspberrySC2 wrote: More personal preferences: Physical fitness is a must, guys. I don't give anyone who doesn't look like they can have sex for very long before getting too worn out nearly as much a chance (if any at all) as anyone who is in shape. It's great to be intelligent (if you can pull it off without constantly sounding judgmental anyway), but if I can't tell if you're up to the task of going more than a few minutes, I'm most likely going to friend zone you. The same applies for women like you: + Show Spoiler + Lose weight. Stop being so goddamned fat. Men are more willing to provide for women who are young and slender. Learn to use contraception. Do not get pregnant outside of marriage. Men really don’t like taking on the responsibility of children not their own. Try not to fuck around so much. Men are not enthusiastic about marrying women whose vaginas have played host to numerous cocks before them. There’s been a lot of talk lately in the mainstream (read: leftist) media organs about the rising numbers of single moms and their bastard spawn in America, a dystopian trend to which hosts at Le Chateau were generous enough to alert the reading audience on and off over the past four years. The hand-wringing, the excusing and the rationalizing have reached a fever pitch as sob stories of tragicomic proportions litter the pages of esteemed broadsheets like the Beta Times. It’s a crescendo of heartwarming, anti-male anecdotes about poor, put-upon single moms with snot machines in tow bitterly complaining about the lack of good, reliable men. Reading this gruesome tripe, something occurs to me. Not once, not anywhere, is the point of view of the typical man in these benighted communities across America examined. Nowhere did I find a mention, even the slightest acknowledgement, of the responsibility that women bear to attract a decent man for marriage and future fatherhood. It’s just assumed that men alone are the sex abdicating their societal duty, that all women need to do is show up, no matter how broken, bedraggled and burdened with bastards, and men will feel an overwhelming urge to marry these unfeminine, spiteful ogresses and provide for them. Yeah right! Peruse any feminist or beta male columnist pontificating on the single mom + illegitimate hellion phenomenon, and the message condenses to a screech against male desire, tantamount to a lede saying “Men drop out, women and children suffering, men need to man up”. Someone should acquaint this crowd with the saying “it takes two to tango”. If you want to know why men are running away from marriage, children and beta provisioning, one major reason is that the women available to these working class men are flat out disgusting. Take a look for yourself. What man of normal mental health and active libido wants to romantically woo and date, let alone marry, a beastly, waddling tatted mountain of pustulence with the issue of three other men barking and nipping at her cankles? If you were a man with diminishing job prospects and stagnant wages thanks to mass low-skill immigration and automation, would you “man up” and “do your duty” for the sake of societal health and elite approval if the only women in your milieu are snorting megafauna hiding week-old salami in their stomach folds and eager to have you babysit their fatherless womb filth? Or would you say “fuck it”, hit the XBox and apply a dollop of asshole game to score a succession of flings and one night stands with the few remaining slender babes in your neighborhood? And let’s not forget that economically empowered and government-assisted women, slaves to their hypergamous impulse for higher status mates than themselves, can’t help but winnow the pool of men deemed acceptable marriage material. When women say “there are no good men left”, what the astute observer hears is “there are no good men left thanks to a combination of my increased expectations and decreased attractiveness.” So instead of facing the sexual market head on and grappling with its workings, you get “family values” white knighting numbskulls like BIll Bennett, lost for anything insightful to say, berating men for abandoning those incorruptible angels known as women, and feminists like Katie Roiphe, doing what feminists divorced from reality do best, recasting single momhood and bastard spawn into a valid alternative lifestyle that we should all show more tolerance toward, and redefining standards of civilized family functioning to avoid the omnipresent gaze of the evil eye of judginess. And there you have the crassest self-deception of the traditionalist and feminist mindset laid bare: the former refusing to understand that standards of sexual behavior are a two-way street, the latter refusing to accept that standards of sexual behavior can’t be waved away to turn losers into winners. If single momhood and bastard spawn are the blights on civilized Western society that all the data and real world observations indicate they are, then this blog’s simple program to save the institution of marriage is required reading for the “experts”. - Roissy. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On February 27 2012 12:48 Elegance wrote: The biggest flaw with lines is the intent behind it. Why do we use these fucking lines eh? Because we WANT the girl? Because we WANT certain responses with them? Because if that is the case, you are already coming from a lower value standpoint - your natural game won't be so good in this case unless a) you work your lines 100% perfectly without ANY fuckups (hard to do), or b) you've had sucess with many women before (with or without lines), this girl is cake in which case, natural game is at work here. The value system. You have to look to yourself as the higher value, how do you do that? Im sure there are things about you that are high value, perhaps you've already had success with women. There are plenty of ways you can raise value in your own value system you have going on in your mind. I firmly believe that this is the new direction for the PUA community or at the very least, the next level people are looking for, One very simple thing that changed my life was having standards for women, You would have to know and have met a lot of females for this to truely happen Disclaimer: I have learned the way of the lines (Mystery method, the game etc.) long before I came across this stuff What are your sources for "this stuff"? Got some links? I'm mostly wondering how those attitudes are taught and how people try to learn them from an academic point of view. For me I'd say that I never really learned a lot of lines and stuff like that. It just felt horribly stupid to me to quote something which makes no sense for me. I usually tried to find out what a certain routine or opener tries to convey and then tried to find a story in my life which conveys something similar. So what I ended up with were very personalized "routines" that were usually hard for others to copy with the same effect because they weren't able to convey them with the same depth. In retrospect I think this approach is one of the best I've witnessed because it forces you to look at the good things in your life and your strengths. It's also not fake in the slightest and pushes you forward as a person. PS: I'm pretty damn sure most "officially established" routines and lines had a similar origin as the above. Someone said something that worked, wrote it down and others started using it - obviously ignoring what the original statement really meant for the person who wrote it down. Edit: What man of normal mental health and active libido wants to romantically woo and date, let alone marry, a beastly, waddling tatted mountain of pustulence with the issue of three other men barking and nipping at her cankles? LOL. =D | ||
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Sogo Otika
60 Posts
![[image loading]](http://glpiggy.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/deserve.jpg?w=630) Every man, no matter his station in life, his character, his personality or his hygiene, deserves a woman who calls him the rod of steely justice, gobbles his knob like she means it, fucks him like she never wants to let him get soft, doesn’t attention whore or bitch about making him a sammich, wipes his load when he jizzes, doesn’t make him lose interest by getting fat, instead gets in even better shape so he won’t have to keep checking out other women, is not scared to let her friends know she won’t be gossiping about him, and lets him know how much she really loves him with the only thing that matters — her welcoming orifices. Repost if you agree. | ||
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gn0m
Sweden302 Posts
On February 27 2012 12:46 r.Evo wrote: Actually now you're being stupid. Every single person on this planet (I'm excluding people with Aspergers and similar stuff in this post) calibrates themselves when they interact with other human beings. "Locking in into a group" is something every single person on this planet does when talking in a group they're comfortable in. Also every single human being which tries to get to know another human being will try to match energy levels. Kino escalation is something every single human being does to a smaller or bigger extent when he/she tries to establish a relationship (even in a non-sexual context people "escalate kino" when they like each other) with another human being. Just because you have no idea what certain phrases mean and where they originate from doesn't mean they don't exist. Yeah and that is my point, this stuff is obvious social behaviour for almost everyone. People can get laid without putting names on various activities. What I meant was that 99 % can go out and interact with girls without explicitly analysing kino escalation. It just comes naturally. PUA didn’t invent pick ups, people have hooked up for thousands of years and will continue to do so, even without attending PUA seminars. | ||
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Elegance
Canada917 Posts
On February 27 2012 12:55 RaspberrySC2 wrote: More personal preferences: Physical fitness is a must, guys. I don't give anyone who doesn't look like they can have sex for very long before getting too worn out nearly as much a chance (if any at all) as anyone who is in shape. It's great to be intelligent (if you can pull it off without constantly sounding judgmental anyway), but if I can't tell if you're up to the task of going more than a few minutes, I'm most likely going to friend zone you. A lot of it has to do with how guys who are fit carry themselves. Because they are fit, there are behaviors that they expect from females. The above poster quoted Roissy (great dude), who has proven time after time that even though women have a list for qualities that a guy must have, all of them are so easily bypassed | ||
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