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On February 09 2012 19:43 Severian wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 19:42 teddyoojo wrote:On February 09 2012 19:40 Fragile51 wrote:On February 09 2012 19:39 Logros wrote:On February 09 2012 19:38 Big J wrote:On February 09 2012 19:37 McBengt wrote: Now please, don't go off on how mech is good vs toss. MKP could have won woth SCVs with the amount of probes he killed. And how did he kill those probes? WITH MECH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah it's funny that people say Mech is bad! He just killed a ton of probes with hellions! Well herp derp, you're not gonna have any blue flame hellions going bio. It's almost like terrans are so convinced that MMM is the only way to play TvP that they basically debunk any other strat that seems even slightly plausible. I'd love to see that kind of play more in TvP, MMM is getting boring. of course terrans are convinced mmm is the only way to play tvp. because it is. every pro says so. Yeah, MKP just did it to prove that it's not viable! But failed! he win thanks to hellions run-by (toss knows to deal with bio drop but no with hellions run-by :p), but his superior value army get smashed repeatedly...
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Fast ghosts. This is probably going to hurt x.x
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On February 09 2012 19:45 UeberFuerst wrote: Mech isn't played that often, so MKP had the Momentum of surprise and Genius preprepared strategy was kinda useless?
Pretty sure that's what happened. I remember Marineking going for 3 facts in TvP against MC at Homestory, but those games were kind of joke games...never thought he would actually do it in a real game :p
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United States23455 Posts
On February 09 2012 19:45 ramon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 19:45 Fionn wrote:On February 09 2012 19:44 pdd wrote: Wait how come MKP went to 4 finals? vs Mvp twice and vs Nestea once. Isn't that 3? MKP vs. Ganzi in the Code A final. wasn't he in Arena of Legends final too? maybe thats what they count
AoL didn't have a Ro16.
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On February 09 2012 19:42 -y0shi- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 19:39 gruff wrote:On February 09 2012 19:38 -y0shi- wrote: This is so stupid :/ MKP looses the battle soo badly but because he gets 3 hellions in he wins because toss has nothing that kills hellions before they kill your entire workerline >_< They didn't kill his whole worker line and genius could have taken better precausions against this when he saw all the hellions, not to mention he still made a fight out of it. 25 Workers or something? And how exactly do you take precaution against this :/ And he made a fight out of it beccause mech truly is awful against toss xD
Did you watch the game? After the first run-by he had a cannon in each mineral line. In comes hellion drops and 4 hellions did kill 7 probes. That's 1/3 or the first attack with 1/3 more hellions. A simple cannon - or a stalker if needed - is enough to drastically cut down on the losses because it gets auto priority from the hellions.
Or you could.. you know.. sim city your base to prevent run-bys and spot for drops.
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this is opposite of jjakji vs parting yesterday lol.
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On February 09 2012 19:44 pdd wrote: Wait how come MKP went to 4 finals? vs Mvp twice and vs Nestea once. Isn't that 3? Code A finals vs. GanZi
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Here comes the terran version of 3 nexus 8 gate
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36900 Posts
On February 09 2012 19:43 Seeker wrote: MKP vs Genius on Daybreak MKP at bottom left Genius at top right First 5 minutesGenius opens up standrad MKP opens up 1 rax no gas MKP scouts Genius MKP gets up 2 CCs at once Genius goes for 1 gate FE
5 - 10 minutes
Genius gets up to 3 gates
MKP gets up to 3 rax
Genius grabbing a robo
MKP grabbing both gas MKP bunkers up his natural MKP grabbing 3 orbitals MKP grabbing stim
Genius getting an observer
MKP going up to 5 raxes MKP grabbing +1
Genius grabbing forge + twilight council Genius scouts the base of MKP with his observer Genius grabbing dual forge
MKP getting ghost academy MKP lifts off his 3rd and flies it over to the expansion
Genius going to 6 gates
MKP with no factory MKP moves out with a nice army
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On February 09 2012 19:45 ramon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 19:45 Fionn wrote:On February 09 2012 19:44 pdd wrote: Wait how come MKP went to 4 finals? vs Mvp twice and vs Nestea once. Isn't that 3? MKP vs. Ganzi in the Code A final. wasn't he in Arena of Legends final too? maybe thats what they count
He was in the first AoL final, but there wasn't a Ro16 in that AoL (there was only 12 players), so they couldn't be counting that.
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This is the terran version of parting's build.
Double expand into pressure.
*edit - stream was behind
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MKP needs to hit.....robo bay is coming out ....
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Wow this reminds me of Partings 3 base 8 gate :D Terran style.
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MKP going for the no medivacs strat?
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On February 09 2012 19:46 ScareCrow` wrote:Here comes the terran version of 3 nexus 8 gate My thoughts exactly. And he can potentially kill here. Let's see if the Terrans who screamed murder yesterday admit they can do the same thing ^_^
~ though MKP should have attacked quicker, it was just pressure it seems.
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Can anyone explain me how this would work vs collossus builds?
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On February 09 2012 19:45 mvtaylor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 19:38 Big J wrote:On February 09 2012 19:37 McBengt wrote: Now please, don't go off on how mech is good vs toss. MKP could have won woth SCVs with the amount of probes he killed. And how did he kill those probes? WITH MECH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is nothing about a 15 minute blue flame hellion drop to kill workers that can't be done with more utility by 8 marines. Against marines you pull your workers and lose some, if you pull against hellions you lose all. So you have to keep them mining and dying until you can deal with the hellions, like Genius did.
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On February 09 2012 19:45 Logros wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 19:42 Hassybaby wrote:On February 09 2012 19:41 Logros wrote:On February 09 2012 19:40 Hassybaby wrote:On February 09 2012 19:39 Logros wrote:On February 09 2012 19:38 Big J wrote:On February 09 2012 19:37 McBengt wrote: Now please, don't go off on how mech is good vs toss. MKP could have won woth SCVs with the amount of probes he killed. And how did he kill those probes? WITH MECH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah it's funny that people say Mech is bad! He just killed a ton of probes with hellions! Well herp derp, you're not gonna have any blue flame hellions going bio. Well herp derp you can kill just as many with normal hellions because blue flame doesn't kill probes any quicker nowadays. You don't really get it right? Noone is getting normal hellions either when going bio. They have the option to. just because people don't doesn't mean they can't. That's such a retarded argument when people are justifying mech in TvP because of the hellions. MECH didn't win the game: hellions did. They don't because then you would need to upgrade both bio and mech and would need reactored factory in addition to reactored and tech lab barracks. That just isn't gonna work if you want any sizeable MMM army.
Incredibly enough, you can build hellions from a factory without a reactor.
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On February 09 2012 19:45 ramon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 19:45 Fionn wrote:On February 09 2012 19:44 pdd wrote: Wait how come MKP went to 4 finals? vs Mvp twice and vs Nestea once. Isn't that 3? MKP vs. Ganzi in the Code A final. wasn't he in Arena of Legends final too? maybe thats what they count But he was in two AoL finals, so you wouldn't come to 4 finals if those were counted
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