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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 09 2012 10:42 GMT
#1761
On February 09 2012 19:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 19:41 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Fuck my internet went out right after Marineking killed Genius's 3rd. T_T


You didn't miss much. Standard engagement that MKP won... into Genius gg'ing.

Ok Thank you very much.
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Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
February 09 2012 10:42 GMT
#1762
Ghost+ Mech would be interesting, it would make Archons and Immortals way less efficient. However Zealots are still a major issue, I don't think you can clean them out fast enough before your Helions die.

The one think MKP had going for him was the Helion harass, Genius was totally unprepared for it. Usually it would be the other way around, Protoss reads the terran, prepares for it, Terran can't get any economic damage done, than the Toss uses Warp Prism harass to pull apart the slow mech army of the terran and abuse it.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
McBengt
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1684 Posts
February 09 2012 10:42 GMT
#1763
On February 09 2012 19:38 Big J wrote:
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On February 09 2012 19:37 McBengt wrote:
Now please, don't go off on how mech is good vs toss. MKP could have won woth SCVs with the amount of probes he killed.


And how did he kill those probes? WITH MECH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Damnation, 'tis true, that hellions did vanquish the probes of Genius in numbers great and terrible.
"My twelve year old will out-reason Bill Maher when it comes to understanding, you know, what, uh, how to logic work" - Rick Santorum
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
February 09 2012 10:42 GMT
#1764
On February 09 2012 19:39 teddyoojo wrote:
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On February 09 2012 19:38 Wildmoon wrote:
I think the key to make this strat works is to mix in some ghost to emp those immortals.

the problem is. even supply mech vs protoss best you can do is trade even. and your units are more expensive and build way longer. and are way slower (except helions). its just not worthwhile.


You can actually get really favourable trades, but u have to be in very good position and u can't really force Protoss to engage u. Plus warp prisms and blink stalkers, it's very difficult to get the trade tht u want.
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
February 09 2012 10:42 GMT
#1765
Well, one of those two losses was his choke against MMA in the Super Tournament semifinals. Can't think of the second.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
February 09 2012 10:42 GMT
#1766
On February 09 2012 19:41 Logros wrote:
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On February 09 2012 19:40 Hassybaby wrote:
On February 09 2012 19:39 Logros wrote:
On February 09 2012 19:38 Big J wrote:
On February 09 2012 19:37 McBengt wrote:
Now please, don't go off on how mech is good vs toss. MKP could have won woth SCVs with the amount of probes he killed.


And how did he kill those probes? WITH MECH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah it's funny that people say Mech is bad! He just killed a ton of probes with hellions! Well herp derp, you're not gonna have any blue flame hellions going bio.


Well herp derp you can kill just as many with normal hellions because blue flame doesn't kill probes any quicker nowadays.

You don't really get it right? Noone is getting normal hellions either when going bio.


They have the option to. just because people don't doesn't mean they can't. That's such a retarded argument when people are justifying mech in TvP because of the hellions. MECH didn't win the game: hellions did.
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
February 09 2012 10:42 GMT
#1767
double CC for MKP, opposite of jjakji vs parting yesterday
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
February 09 2012 10:42 GMT
#1768
On February 09 2012 19:40 Fragile51 wrote:
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On February 09 2012 19:39 Logros wrote:
On February 09 2012 19:38 Big J wrote:
On February 09 2012 19:37 McBengt wrote:
Now please, don't go off on how mech is good vs toss. MKP could have won woth SCVs with the amount of probes he killed.


And how did he kill those probes? WITH MECH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah it's funny that people say Mech is bad! He just killed a ton of probes with hellions! Well herp derp, you're not gonna have any blue flame hellions going bio.


It's almost like terrans are so convinced that MMM is the only way to play TvP that they basically debunk any other strat that seems even slightly plausible. I'd love to see that kind of play more in TvP, MMM is getting boring.

of course terrans are convinced mmm is the only way to play tvp. because it is. every pro says so.
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
February 09 2012 10:42 GMT
#1769
On February 09 2012 19:40 bbQ4Aiur wrote:
Genius is really bad in that game tbh,
im a toss player and i cheer for him, but that? doesnt seem to be Ro8 to me. maybe not even Code S.
Show me some skills please genius.


Because someone has one bad game they dont deserve Code S? Hahahaha
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
evolute
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada209 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-09 10:43:11
February 09 2012 10:42 GMT
#1770
Winrate when winning first set 20W 2L haha. MKP so gosu.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
February 09 2012 10:43 GMT
#1771
Nose exorcism commencing
Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
February 09 2012 10:43 GMT
#1772
Fast third CC coming?
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37095 Posts
February 09 2012 10:43 GMT
#1773
MKP
vs
Genius

on Daybreak

MKP at bottom left

Genius at top right

First 5 minutes

Genius opens up standrad

MKP opens up 1 rax no gas
MKP scouts Genius
MKP gets up 2 CCs at once

Genius goes for 1 gate FE
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
February 09 2012 10:43 GMT
#1774
On February 09 2012 19:40 bbQ4Aiur wrote:
Genius is really bad in that game tbh,
im a toss player and i cheer for him, but that? doesnt seem to be Ro8 to me. maybe not even Code S.
Show me some skills please genius.


Genius did exactly what all the terrans whine about: he went immortal/chargelot vs Mech. And he lost!
Obelisco
Profile Joined January 2011
Peru1962 Posts
February 09 2012 10:43 GMT
#1775
On February 09 2012 19:41 Dubes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 19:40 Obelisco wrote:
On February 09 2012 19:39 Dubes wrote:
On February 09 2012 19:38 andaylin wrote:
Tastosis had no idea what was going on that game. probably first time ever in GSL mech vs Protoss lol.


revisit jinro vs mc gsl season 3

season 4, GSL Jan 2011


http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens3/vod/1457

season 3

hm I remember Jinro getting 4-0d on season 3 tho, i didnt see it it, but i guess he could have gone mech and lost. He did go mech season 4 and won tho.
klaxen
Profile Joined April 2010
United States361 Posts
February 09 2012 10:43 GMT
#1776
On February 09 2012 19:42 pdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 19:38 Big J wrote:
On February 09 2012 19:37 McBengt wrote:
Now please, don't go off on how mech is good vs toss. MKP could have won woth SCVs with the amount of probes he killed.


And how did he kill those probes? WITH MECH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This build won't last very long because it relies on Protoss not dealing well to the hellions. Once Protoss learn, they'll be able to counter it and mech without killing those probes is kinda bad. Game shouldn't have been that close with the amount of probes killed.

Either way it's a good build to vary it up a bit, but interesting to see if it'll last.


Not losing probes to blue flame hellions is incredibly difficult.
high master protoss - low master zerg
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
February 09 2012 10:43 GMT
#1777
LOL MKP 90% win rate after winning first set

Nice data by GOM
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 09 2012 10:43 GMT
#1778
Marineking's hellion harass vs genius is like the same stuff that destroyed marineking during the blue flame hellion opening era of TvT
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Bommes
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1226 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-09 10:44:26
February 09 2012 10:43 GMT
#1779
I just want to point out that I made some points about hellion based mech in TvP some days ago in this thread here

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=300231&currentpage=2

whoever is interested, I'm of course really bad and there are little valid points on a really high level, but I still pointed out the strong points of hellions that many people neglect really badly and I don't think its viable if Protosses know whats coming, but its good to have in your repertoir.
Sarang
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia2363 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-09 10:44:10
February 09 2012 10:43 GMT
#1780
On February 09 2012 19:42 McBengt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 19:38 Big J wrote:
On February 09 2012 19:37 McBengt wrote:
Now please, don't go off on how mech is good vs toss. MKP could have won woth SCVs with the amount of probes he killed.


And how did he kill those probes? WITH MECH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Damnation, 'tis true, that hellions did vanquish the probes of Genius in numbers great and terrible.

i've never really been tempted to sig something a TL member has said, but that was an amazing sentence.
"Killer helped me feel better before coming to the arena. He told me to say that." - Bomber
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