|
On February 09 2012 19:41 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 19:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On February 09 2012 19:39 mvtaylor wrote: Without the probe kills throughout the game MKP would have lost
Also.... having loads of Templar, but no storm Researching Colossus range, but no Colossus... Saw that too. Genius was clearly testing MKP by not scouting and not making the right units and upgrades. Now it's time to show his true power. + Show Spoiler + or maybe Genius's super saiyan is fading and he's turning back into the normal Genius, gatekeeper of code s?
Maybe As a Protoss, I'd like to see him move up a little more.
|
On February 09 2012 19:42 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 19:38 Big J wrote:On February 09 2012 19:37 McBengt wrote: Now please, don't go off on how mech is good vs toss. MKP could have won woth SCVs with the amount of probes he killed. And how did he kill those probes? WITH MECH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This build won't last very long because it relies on Protoss not dealing well to the hellions. Once Protoss learn, they'll be able to counter it and mech without killing those probes is kinda bad. Game shouldn't have been that close with the amount of probes killed. Either way it's a good build to vary it up a bit, but interesting to see if it'll last. Its hard to say its standard like deep 6 in BW, you cant say marines are completely unviable in bw tvp because they are... in certain circumstances.... but its far from calling it standard! or the way to go! Artosis style.
|
United States97274 Posts
On February 09 2012 19:43 mordk wrote: LOL MKP 90% win rate after winning first set
Nice data by GOM I wonder how bad it is after losing first set. He can really tilt pretty hard
|
On February 09 2012 19:42 teddyoojo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 19:40 Fragile51 wrote:On February 09 2012 19:39 Logros wrote:On February 09 2012 19:38 Big J wrote:On February 09 2012 19:37 McBengt wrote: Now please, don't go off on how mech is good vs toss. MKP could have won woth SCVs with the amount of probes he killed. And how did he kill those probes? WITH MECH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah it's funny that people say Mech is bad! He just killed a ton of probes with hellions! Well herp derp, you're not gonna have any blue flame hellions going bio. It's almost like terrans are so convinced that MMM is the only way to play TvP that they basically debunk any other strat that seems even slightly plausible. I'd love to see that kind of play more in TvP, MMM is getting boring. of course terrans are convinced mmm is the only way to play tvp. because it is. every pro says so. Yeah, MKP just did it to prove that it's not viable! But failed!
|
Well the theory of mech is that you are supposed to get your death ball that cannot be beaten so those engagement might not be revealing.
|
hm, i hope we don't get to see crossfire after this map
|
United States23455 Posts
I'm guessing they're counting Code A's final in that stat.
|
yea......tastetosis finally realise how godly MKP is?
|
no spider mines hurts mech really badly, tbh. doesn't give tanks the protection they need, terran doesn't get map control/
|
Wait how come MKP went to 4 finals? vs Mvp twice and vs Nestea once. Isn't that 3?
|
On February 09 2012 19:42 teddyoojo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 19:40 Fragile51 wrote:On February 09 2012 19:39 Logros wrote:On February 09 2012 19:38 Big J wrote:On February 09 2012 19:37 McBengt wrote: Now please, don't go off on how mech is good vs toss. MKP could have won woth SCVs with the amount of probes he killed. And how did he kill those probes? WITH MECH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah it's funny that people say Mech is bad! He just killed a ton of probes with hellions! Well herp derp, you're not gonna have any blue flame hellions going bio. It's almost like terrans are so convinced that MMM is the only way to play TvP that they basically debunk any other strat that seems even slightly plausible. I'd love to see that kind of play more in TvP, MMM is getting boring. of course terrans are convinced mmm is the only way to play tvp. because it is. every pro says so.
And MarineKing is... an amateur?
|
Thanks for the nice Lr seeker.
|
United States97274 Posts
On February 09 2012 19:44 Fionn wrote: I'm guessing they're counting Code A's final in that stat. I'm trying to figure that out too. I guess it wouldnt count AOL right? so the code A finals make sense for #4 and it was a GSL Season
|
United States23455 Posts
On February 09 2012 19:44 pdd wrote: Wait how come MKP went to 4 finals? vs Mvp twice and vs Nestea once. Isn't that 3?
MKP vs. Ganzi in the Code A final.
|
On February 09 2012 19:44 pdd wrote: Wait how come MKP went to 4 finals? vs Mvp twice and vs Nestea once. Isn't that 3? Code A
|
Mech isn't played that often, so MKP had the Momentum of surprise and Genius preprepared strategy was kinda useless?
|
On February 09 2012 19:38 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 19:37 McBengt wrote: Now please, don't go off on how mech is good vs toss. MKP could have won woth SCVs with the amount of probes he killed. And how did he kill those probes? WITH MECH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There is nothing about a 15 minute blue flame hellion drop to kill workers that can't be done with more utility by 8 marines.
On February 09 2012 19:45 UeberFuerst wrote: Mech isn't played that often, so MKP had the Momentum of surprise and Genius preprepared strategy was kinda useless?
Pretty much this.
No sim city at all, colossus range but not making colossi, having enough high templar to feedback 12 Thors when MKP hasn't even built one...
|
On February 09 2012 19:43 Severian wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 19:42 teddyoojo wrote:On February 09 2012 19:40 Fragile51 wrote:On February 09 2012 19:39 Logros wrote:On February 09 2012 19:38 Big J wrote:On February 09 2012 19:37 McBengt wrote: Now please, don't go off on how mech is good vs toss. MKP could have won woth SCVs with the amount of probes he killed. And how did he kill those probes? WITH MECH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah it's funny that people say Mech is bad! He just killed a ton of probes with hellions! Well herp derp, you're not gonna have any blue flame hellions going bio. It's almost like terrans are so convinced that MMM is the only way to play TvP that they basically debunk any other strat that seems even slightly plausible. I'd love to see that kind of play more in TvP, MMM is getting boring. of course terrans are convinced mmm is the only way to play tvp. because it is. every pro says so. Yeah, MKP just did it to prove that it's not viable!
He proved that if your opponent is bad at dealing with hellion runbys and allows over 40 probe kills within 3 runbys that your unit composition doesn't matter.
That's all he proved. As far as resources lost in every trade Genius won every engagement by a large margin. MKP won with superior macro and harassment.
|
On February 09 2012 19:42 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 19:41 Logros wrote:On February 09 2012 19:40 Hassybaby wrote:On February 09 2012 19:39 Logros wrote:On February 09 2012 19:38 Big J wrote:On February 09 2012 19:37 McBengt wrote: Now please, don't go off on how mech is good vs toss. MKP could have won woth SCVs with the amount of probes he killed. And how did he kill those probes? WITH MECH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah it's funny that people say Mech is bad! He just killed a ton of probes with hellions! Well herp derp, you're not gonna have any blue flame hellions going bio. Well herp derp you can kill just as many with normal hellions because blue flame doesn't kill probes any quicker nowadays. You don't really get it right? Noone is getting normal hellions either when going bio. They have the option to. just because people don't doesn't mean they can't. That's such a retarded argument when people are justifying mech in TvP because of the hellions. MECH didn't win the game: hellions did. They don't because then you would need to upgrade both bio and mech and would need reactored factory in addition to reactored and tech lab barracks. That just isn't gonna work if you want any sizeable MMM army.
|
On February 09 2012 19:45 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 19:44 pdd wrote: Wait how come MKP went to 4 finals? vs Mvp twice and vs Nestea once. Isn't that 3? MKP vs. Ganzi in the Code A final. wasn't he in Arena of Legends final too? maybe thats what they count
|
|
|
|