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On December 11 2011 02:19 Grackaroni wrote:
@ BKEXE: also if you are town you should be looking for 2 mafia not just one. Who is most likely to be Ey215's scumbuddy?
[hipster]I did it before it was cool.[/hipster]
But yeah, BKE, please continue posting. Town or mafia, you don't lose the game when you get lynched, so you still have time to help your team, no matter what it is. I don't think that you can save yourself but the information you give us can turn out to be valuable in the future.
I am not sure what to make of the Tunkeg vs. layabout argument. Personally I find using numbers to solve a game of mafia boring and I'm not very good at it either, so I don't think that I can call out which one (or both) of them is using bad logic.
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EBWOP: I asked him to provide two cases instead of one before it was cool*
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Blazinghand
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Bear in mind, BKEXE is either scum or the terriblest townie who has ever played-- i'm asking him for his opinion in part so that he learns how to give it but also because even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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On December 11 2011 09:17 layabout wrote:franky i think BXE is the best lynch target at the current moment in time but we still have scum to find and we need to scumhunt (analysis coming tomorrow) so i decided to see why, you made a post in which you began by saying people would ignore you and then went on to make worthless speculation and unjustified assumptions i feel that i have highlighted why this is this case very clearly i cannot believe that you have not adressed any of my arguements but have instead tried to attack my possible motivation and you have mostly just provided fluff Show nested quote +It was based on assumptions, poor is your words. But the entire game is based on assumptions. justify them then!don't just say i made assumptions we need to in this game that is an entirely worthless statement as was your poker "analogy" you just make general statement about making reads and how reads are more valuable the more time passes. This has nothing to do with what you had written if you make an argument based on reasoning then you better have solid reasoning because otherwise your post holds no weight it is not helpful to town (unless it reveals that you are scum) because your entire argument relies on reason that does not withstand scrutiny i think we are past the point of this being a useful exchange because you clearly don't understand or are ignoring the point that i have made explain yourself and then try to help town by analysing behaviour
I said I made assumptions in my probability lynch post. I have justified my post multiple times allready, but you fail to understand. You are just twisting everything I say and putting it into a context that it wasn't. I will just ignore you, unless you start bringing something new to the table.
For the rest of you, if you have input in this case I will gladly answer.
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First of, nice to see you being active. Secondly - the answer to your question is in the very post you have quoted. It is pure WIFOM because the logic behind the vote I am accused for can apply to both mafia and town:
why are you trying to add wifom logic?
if jay was your best read which you said he was then you should have voted for him, you even said so
the fact that you didn't and the fact that you had already said that players in general should lynch their best read is highly contradictory. how does that involve wifom?
And anyway, jumping on a bandwagon is another thing that 3/4 of the town is much guiltier than I am of, yet you only attack me for this. Why would you do such a thing? I was pretty much the only one to try to push for a lynch that was based on analysis, yet you target me for "jumping" on a bandwagon?
i attack you because you were happy to be on a day1 bandwagon but on day two when their was a much stronger case for a player being mafia and when you openly stated that you that that player was probably scum and yet you decided to vote for somebody else. and one of the reasons you gave was to "avoid sheeping". yet you had already been on a andwagon.
I did post it hours before posting the bit you quoted. Seriously.
the bit i quoted was dated for me as "On December 06 2011 06:20 xtfftc wrote:"
before then this is everthing you had to say on eye215:
+ Show Spoiler +Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 13:01 ey215 wrote:
On the lurker bit, I do think there's a time and place for lynching. If we don't have a case on someone it's better to lynch a lurker than someone active. If they're lurking then they're not contributing or giving us something to go on. Of course, if we've got a good case on someone it's better to lynch them. 100% agree, this was pretty much my point anyway. And there's a lot of similar views expressed later in the thread by others, so can we say that we've reached consensus? If we don't get a good case, we lynch a lurker. Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 14:55 ey215 wrote:
As for you're statements about lynching all lurkers unless someone gives you a "DAMN GOOD REASON', well having a scumread is one. Am I good with lynching a lurker today, sure but let's not go talking about how you've got a good scum read on anyone that's posted once.
Fuck, I can say you've hardly posted anything but baseless accusations therefore you're scum just trying to get the town fighting among themselves. Not to mention you're trying to get a bandwagon started on someone for either not posting because they're asleep or because of some assumed fluff. Dude, no need to be so defensive. Blazinghand is trying hard to organise the town. I don't agree with some of his ideas but they are stuff to be discussed. There is absolutely no need for a townie to react like you did. Blazing's play so far is great. On December 04 2011 21:23 xtfftc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 15:22 ey215 wrote:
I'm also not sure browbeating everyone into posting is going to help us figure out the scum lurkers over the town lurkers.
......what? So we all agree that lurking is bad for town. No one denies that. We need all townies to post, so that mafia are pressured into we're able to distinguish town from mafia. And then you express your concerns that if we somehow manage to get all townies to post, we would have trouble figuring out "the scum lurkers over the town lurkers"... If they don't lurk, we are going to have reads on them and figure out their alignment. No townie would suggest that this is a bad thing. Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 04:49 ey215 wrote:
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Ok, just got back to the thread and I'll respond to things as I see them. I agree that we've reached a consensus to get rid of a lurker. That means lurkers, it's your time to step up and contribute. The post I agreed with said " If we don't have a case on someone it's better to lynch a lurker than someone active". This is the crucial point for me. On December 05 2011 05:28 ey215 wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&hl=en_US&key=0An_BMZ9t6APFdHJQZktwcEo3a1dfNURxbDk1TWE1VWc&output=htmlCan someone click on this and confirm I did it right? I would like everyone to be able to use it if they wish, but I don't do much with google docs. It works but I think it's better if you have ¤tpage=All at the end of each link ey215 I'm still not happy with and it wasn't just his defense that made me suspicious. But perhaps I am tunneling him a bit too much indeed. Unless he proves me wrong, he's going to be my main target on Day 2.
if this was the case against eye215 before that you are refering to. i just didn't veiw it as a case because it just isn't. However, how come you quoted just half of my explanation? This is the full one: Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 06:23 xtfftc wrote:
Your reasoning is pure WIFOM in this case. Jay was obviously going to be lynched hours before I posted the bit you quoted, so what could a townie do in this situation? Vote for Jay and be accused of sheeping after BH and bandwagonning (remember Tunkeg and his analysis of the Bbyte lynch?) Or vote for someone else and be accused of not voting for the obvious mafia.
Let's also consider me being mafia for the sake of discussing my actions. Vote for Jay and get accused of bandwagonning, or don't and be accused of not voting for the obvious mafia? It works both ways.
You have cut out my actual argument: it works both ways.
your argument is that you could as a player who could be town or mafia vote the best lynch candidate (like the majority of players) and be accused of sheeping, or vote for someone who isn't obviuos mafia but because you have the same options as town or mafia then you could take the second and anti-town option because you could have done so with either alignment? as town you should take the pro-town (and non-contradictory) option because that is pro town play. you acted i an anti-town fashion and your justification is just a statement of options, which isn't a justification.
even though mafia are probably just bussing him at this point. So my vote stays on EY to remind people that we have to catch the whole mafia team and not just one member of it.
Of course it does make sense. We had the whole town sheeping for Day 1 and Day 2, so it is necessary to have proper discussions from now on.And what it is that I am guilty of exactly? Are you suggesting that I was trying to somehow save Jay by refusing to vote for him, even though there were like 10 votes for him a few hours before the deadline?
so now your reason was for discussion? you don't leave your vote for discussion you vote for mafia! you know this but you didn't do it
your behaviour is totally contradictory and you are just trying to hide it by bringing up wifom and discussion which are inexcusable reasons for placing a vote
jay had 7 votes and refusing to vote for him given the opinions that you had expressed does not make sense from a town-based standpoint.
scumhunting for the next day's vote is one thing but to intentionally waste your vote or try to make people vote for someone other that the best candidate is scummy.were you trying to save jay?i can't say, but you definitely were not trying to lynch him.
even though mafia are probably just bussing him at this point. So my vote stays on EY to remind people that we have to catch the whole mafia team and not just one member of it.
does anybody in this game think that that makes any sense and is a reasonable thing for town to do???
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On December 11 2011 22:13 layabout wrote:
why are you trying to add wifom logic?
if jay was your best read which you said he was then you should have voted for him, you even said so
the fact that you didn't and the fact that you had already said that players in general should lynch their best read is highly contradictory. how does that involve wifom?
I never said that Jay was my best read.
I said I consider a mafia team consisting of Jay, BKE, and EY or xsk more likely than the alternative.
And I already explained the WIFOM perspective to you.
i attack you because you were happy to be on a day1 bandwagon but on day two when their was a much stronger case for a player being mafia and when you openly stated that you that that player was probably scum and yet you decided to vote for somebody else. and one of the reasons you gave was to "avoid sheeping". yet you had already been on a andwagon.
You are a liar. I wasn't happy to be on the Day 1 bandwagon and it is obvious from all the effort I put in my attempts to prevent it.
And where is my motive for not voting for Jay? Seriously? If I'm mafia, what is my motive? Are you saying that I knew that someone was mafia and outright refused to vote for him in order to look more suspicious after the red flip? Did I try to save Jay by not voting? Anyone with half a brain would know that he was dead a few hours into Day 2 - and yet I decided not to switch to him for ~36 hours in order to gain absolutely nothing out of it?
the bit i quoted was dated for me as "On December 06 2011 06:20 xtfftc wrote:"
before then this is everthing you had to say on eye215:
"Everything"? This isn't enough for early Day 1? I got called out for tunneling EY too much and you're acting like it was nothing. I had more on EY than other players had on all of us combined.
As for the rest of your post, it's a gameplay opinion that I disagree with. But even though I think that you are wrong, I can see your point. All I have to add on the subject is that I explained my vote at the time and no one had an issue with it, so I think that the problem is in you - or you're trying to turn it into a problem because of your red alignment.
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I never said that Jay was my best read.
I said I consider a mafia team consisting of Jay, BKE, and EY or xsk more likely than the alternative.
And I already explained the WIFOM perspective to you
've posted more on Jay, look at Day 1 but it's mostly one off remarks (such as pointing out how Jay justified not voting for a lurker by saying that we shouldn't lynch a lurker because a lurker isn't around to defend himself) and I don't see how the last quote was me suggesting that he is probably town. It was me pointing out the scumminess of EY's reasoning, and at that moment it was to be expected that mafia would jump on the Jay bandwagon.
At the moment I think that Jay is more likely to be scum because if he's not, we have EY, xsk, and Adam left, and I consider Adam to be the worst lynch out of the players I am suspicious of (Adam, Jay, EY, xsk, BKE)
liar liar liar
you say you are uneasy about the lynch being easily decided but feeling uneasy when facing uncertainty is not a reason to not follow the obvious course of action. If you had genuine reservations about what was happening you should have tried to come up with a better alternative and you should not have tried to pursue a worse course of action because doing so is anti-town.
additionaly i have already explained that the wifom perspective is not relevant so an explanation of it is similarly worthless posting that looks like a contribution (which in itself is scum like).
This isn't enough for early Day 1
it isn't a case!!!you have not shown why his actions would be anti town and why they would make him likey to be scum.
You are a liar. I wasn't happy to be on the Day 1 bandwagon and it is obvious from all the effort I put in my attempts to prevent it.
And where is my motive for not voting for Jay? Seriously? If I'm mafia, what is my motive? Are you saying that I knew that someone was mafia and outright refused to vote for him in order to look more suspicious after the red flip? Did I try to save Jay by not voting? Anyone with half a brain would know that he was dead a few hours into Day 2 - and yet I decided not to switch to him for ~36 hours in order to gain absolutely nothing out of it?
i fail to see how i have "lied"
im not suggesting a motive i suggesting that your actions are anti town, trying to come up with a motive in this circumstance is unreliable and unhelpful
+ Show Spoiler +On December 06 2011 07:26 xtfftc wrote:
I'm going to bed, so I'm voting for Bbyte. It's not ideal but it's better than some unpleasant last minute surprise.
##Unvote: xsksc
##Vote: BByte
As for the rest of your post, it's a gameplay opinion that I disagree with. But even though I think that you are wrong, I can see your point. All I have to add on the subject is that I explained my vote at the time and no one had an issue with it, so I think that the problem is in you - or you're trying to turn it into a problem because of your red alignment.
the game play opinion is that you should act in the best interest of town and that you should vote for the player you th
ink most likely to flip scum. my point is that YOU also said that this is how you SHOULD vote and yet YOU HAVE NOT done.so
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I want to finish my analysis of BKE's relationships with the other players before the vote, so I won't waste my time with layabout for now. I will, however, address his posts later tonight.
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explaining why you have contradicted yourself and why you have been anti town is a waste of time isn't it?
best try to get someone else lynched rather than do that.
SCUM
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This might work with somebody else but not with me. I have addressed your questions but it's obvious that you want to waste my time now and to distract me the best you can. I am committed to providing more analysis and if you are so scared that you decide to shoot me or manage to somehow manipulate the town into lynching me, they will have a lot of information to work with after I flip green. As long as I continue contributing, my death wouldn't be that much of a problem for town, so I am not afraid of dying.
But now that I refuse to play your game, you try to scare me into doing nothing else but defending myself. If you were town, you would have been happy to let me finish the BKE analysis because it is very important for us. Instead, you chose to be obtrusive, even though I already paid a lot of attention to you. It's not like I said I'm not going to answer you at all. I could have simply pretended I'm not checking the thread but only mafia are scared of some extra attention.
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i understand why people are voting for BroodkingExe
but right now i think that 1 player is not making sense and that their behaviour is scummy
therefore
##Vote: xtfftc
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Okay, here's why I'm voting BKEXE
First, since jay flipped scum I was suspicious of BKEXE defending jay and vice versa;'
On December 07 2011 14:50 BroodKingEXE wrote:
jay - to me jay is another one of those people who is being printed as scum based on the fact that he is opposed to BH in some aspect. I feel that he has provided some solid leads, but has to respond to the attacks by other more often then not. I feel like until he can get a few more unprovoked responses in until I can decide.
Turneg- he strikes me as more of a townie. I feel that in the early game he differed in his style vs BH. He instead of using more aggressive response posts, he looked at early posts and methodically made questions out of those. I feel like this is definitely more of a townie behavior. Early in the game he chose to start examining players right away, I feel that a mafia member would not have been able to think so quickly to implement a strategy as hard as this. These same questions have also put him in a bad spot as he is viewed as passively accusing, a behavior I feel is a bit scummy.
Next, when I re read the thread BKEXE made a literal smoke screen of posts on page 29 to hide BHs case on JB
lastly, see Adams , veli's & others case on him
On December 08 2011 13:37 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 12:01 Velinath wrote:
And of course RIGHT after I post that, BKEXE comes back with some decent reasoning and also steps up and votes. Guhhhhhhhhhhh I don't see what you see at all. I see BKEXE quote BH's book that he wrote on jay, ramble on about policy (a bit late in the piece for this really..), then dump his vote on jay after calling him an idiot. Oh and don't forget declaring how new he is... again. Your case on BKEXE was exactly where I was heading with the next day (assuming I survive the night.). It was well done and did a good job of highlighting exactly how BKEXE has been playing thus far, however I am going to highlight something you missed: BKEXE and jay have been defending each other this entire game: HereHereHereHereHereBKEXE's more recent posts aimed at jay are nothing more than distancing because we have shifted focus onto them. It is just a smokescreen, do not buy into this nonsense.
ok so, thats why im voting him.
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Oops its page 29 not 29 sorry 
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Hey guys, just rolled out of bed and am heading out to lunch with family momentarily but wanted to check in. I'll be around more in a couple of hours and will fully catch up then.
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Ugh. What a mess. Been a liiittle bit busy with some relatives coming into town.
Here are my thoughts on Bluelightz - and you can filter him to see this - but literally every single one of his posts has been bandwagoning hard since he replaced in.
+ Show Spoiler +On December 08 2011 18:57 Bluelightz wrote:Above Post Should Not Be Read because it is so messy xDHmm My scumreads right now BroodKingEXE Leaning Scum - He has been filling the thread with some post's trying to "distance" him and jay as you can see in Adam's and BH's observation. Also, if JB flips scum we wil have a strong case on BKEXE Next, ey215 is leaning scum, when he says but then, I quote Grackaroni BH, has provided a good enough discussion so, ##Vote: Jaybrundage All of this had already been discussed to death. Bluelightz hopped on the bandwagon late, and then...provided...something? about ey215. Everyone's going to represent themselves as town. -_- (side note: I still think that ey215 is town-aligned.)
Next 3 posts are parroting others' reasoning on BKEXE without adding anything new.
Both of his votes have been simply bandwagoning with no original reasoning - he hasn't added anything of substance to the discussion.
Bluelightz - build a case on someone. Please. We're still looking for a third scum and right now you're top on my list of suspects.
(You can check EB's case on Hassybaby for the first half of the discussion).
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Its my first game dont expect much from me :p
anyway im gonna look @ people's filter & post my analysis of the one i think is most scummies when i can also
gottl sleep cya c:
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On December 11 2011 17:29 xtfftc wrote:*** Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 02:21 layabout wrote:i need to take some time to try to understand Broodking 's post in the meantime i think that xtfftc: has made some glaring contradictions and that he owes and explanation Grackaroni highlighted this in an earlier post and i think you (xtfftc) need to expalin: I've posted more on Jay, look at Day 1 but it's mostly one off remarks (such as pointing out how Jay justified not voting for a lurker by saying that we shouldn't lynch a lurker because a lurker isn't around to defend himself) and I don't see how the last quote was me suggesting that he is probably town. It was me pointing out the scumminess of EY's reasoning, and at that moment it was to be expected that mafia would jump on the Jay bandwagon.
At the moment I think that Jay is more likely to be scum because if he's not, we have EY, xsk, and Adam left, and I consider Adam to be the worst lynch out of the players I am suspicious of (Adam, Jay, EY, xsk, BKE) you explicity state that you think Jay is the most likely to be scum and grack makes this point On December 09 2011 10:16 Grackaroni wrote:
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Here he even admits that Jay is more likely to be scum but his vote still remains on Ey215. . .
I stated my reasons for keeping my vote on EY. Your reasoning is pure WIFOM in this case. Jay was obviously going to be lynched hours before I posted the bit you quoted, so what could a townie do in this situation? Vote for Jay and be accused of sheeping after BH and bandwagonning (remember Tunkeg and his analysis of the Bbyte lynch?) Or vote for someone else and be accused of not voting for the obvious mafia. you call his "reasoning" (i see a simple statement of fact) "pure WIFOM" well where is the pure wifom in this? First of, nice to see you being active. Secondly - the answer to your question is in the very post you have quoted. It is pure WIFOM because the logic behind the vote I am accused for can apply to both mafia and town: Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 06:23 xtfftc wrote:
Your reasoning is pure WIFOM in this case. Jay was obviously going to be lynched hours before I posted the bit you quoted, so what could a townie do in this situation? Vote for Jay and be accused of sheeping after BH and bandwagonning (remember Tunkeg and his analysis of the Bbyte lynch?) Or vote for someone else and be accused of not voting for the obvious mafia. However, how come you quoted just half of my explanation? This is the full one: Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 06:23 xtfftc wrote:
Your reasoning is pure WIFOM in this case. Jay was obviously going to be lynched hours before I posted the bit you quoted, so what could a townie do in this situation? Vote for Jay and be accused of sheeping after BH and bandwagonning (remember Tunkeg and his analysis of the Bbyte lynch?) Or vote for someone else and be accused of not voting for the obvious mafia.
Let's also consider me being mafia for the sake of discussing my actions. Vote for Jay and get accused of bandwagonning, or don't and be accused of not voting for the obvious mafia? It works both ways. You have cut out my actual argument: it works both ways. *** My point with this was not that you didn't vote for JayBrundage. That's what you are basing your defense off of, you say that you would either be accused of bandwagoning or not voting for the mafia. My point was that you said Jay was most likely to be scum but still didn't vote for him. Town should always vote for who they feel is scum, not voting for scum because your afraid you'll be called out for jumping on a bandwagon is scummy or at the very least sub-par play.
Town's first priority is to lynch mafia. Scum's first priority is to avoid getting caught.
You chose to not vote for scum because you thought it would make you get accused of bandwagoning.
Who cares if you get called out? You've got nothing to hide, right? You can simply explain your reasoning for voting JB.
I don't feel this can be brushed aside so easily as WIFOM. I'm not calling you out for not being on the mafia vote I'm calling you out because you said he was your strongest lead but didn't vote for him. Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 02:21 layabout wrote:On December 08 2011 06:45 xtfftc wrote:On December 08 2011 06:06 ey215 wrote:On December 08 2011 04:56 xtfftc wrote:On December 08 2011 04:15 ey215 wrote:
I'm not 100% sold that he's scum, but I'm sold his behavior has been anti-town.
##vote: jaybrundage ... Town does not vote to punish bad play. Town votes to lynch mafia. Right, and right now the best case for scum I've seen is the one on jay. I don't think it's currently possible to be 100% sold on anyone at the moment town or scum. I've read the filters, and have nothing unique to add to the discussion so why clog the thread up even further? Am I supposed to be like, "FUCK YEAH WE'RE KILLING SCUM!" Besides BH, I don't think anyone is 100% sure on jay, but at the moment it's the best we've got. Hopefully it solidifies later in the day, or someone else catches something You lynch your best read. You don't start looking for excuses for when the player you're voting for flips town. Yes, because I did such a great job laying under the radar before. Let's see, pissing match with the most active/aggressive player in the thread. Check.
Getting myself warned for inactivity in big blue letters to point it out to everyone. Check.
Great job I'm doing staying under the radar. You didn't want to get into the "pissing match" with BH, you were forced to by his aggressiveness. And using lurking as a proof that you haven't been staying under the radar is a pretty solid point if you're building a case against yourself. You were out of the picture when every good mafia wants to be: during the last ~12 hours before the deadline, so you did a great job. On December 08 2011 06:10 ey215 wrote:
I'd also like Starshard, xftttc, and Bluelightz to respond to by the accusations that EB made. I know it sucks for the replacements but there needs to be some response to it. He seemed pretty damn convinced he had the game won and then got offed by the mafia overnight. I answered to him after he mentioned me and I don't see how his death changes anything. What is there to be said about EB? His play was arrogant and trollish. He was obviously a veteran smurfing, who thought it would be fun to frustrate the townies (refusing to vote just when he was asked to the most active player in the game just because he felt like irritating us) and then giving us a great demonstration of how a town player has to prove his innocence when attacked. He posted a great case that lacked obvious flaws - and then he was happy to go inactive again. He came back to announce that he's found the whole mafia team - but didn't bother providing any analysis on two of the players he accused. And he also made sure to notify us that the Bbyte lynch was pushed easily... Before the game started (and also in the Looking For Coaches thread) some veterans suggested that there should be some experienced players in this game to help teach the newbies how to play properly. Instead we get a cocky smurf. There was no way to make a good guess about his intentions, which is the reason why I'm not all over Hassy at the moment. EB was good enough to make us do anything he wanted to as long as he was interested in putting a serious effort in the game, and I have no reason to believe that his intentions were pro-town, even after his flip. Ask veterans such as Sandroba and Palmar and they will tell you that the first thing a townie should do is to establish his/her innocence. The first thing EB did was to frustrate town and lose us half a day. So what good would it do to town to focus on him again instead of doing our own analysis? All you're achieving with this is disruping the discussion. you have stated that you should only vote for mafia and that you should lynch your best read and yet in the above quote you do not do that To the contrary: this is precisely what I was doing in the above post: pushing my best mafia read. Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 02:21 layabout wrote:here earlier you didn't
On December 06 2011 06:20 xtfftc wrote:
Pretty much all I have on Adam is based on two of his posts that push pro-mafia agenda. Now that I think about it, I have a much stronger case on ey215, even though I decided to leave him for day 2. I don't have enough to convince Adam on my own and it seems that most of the others are happy to lurk or to vote for lynching Bbyte.
Here's what I wrote on Adam earlier in case you're lazy and can't be bothered to check it out:
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I'll check the thread again before going to bed.
you have a strong case on a player but you would rather not post it and you would rather vote for someone other than your best read? seriously? I did post it hours before posting the bit you quoted. Seriously. Now, I could have expanded it a lot but unless you expect me to spend 5-6 hours a day working on my cases, I'll never be able to analyse everything I find in-depth. If this is scummy behaviour, 3/4 of the town are playing much scummier than I am. Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 02:21 layabout wrote:so you vote for BByte On December 06 2011 07:26 xtfftc wrote:
I'm going to bed, so I'm voting for Bbyte. It's not ideal but it's better than some unpleasant last minute surprise.
##Unvote: xsksc
##Vote: BByte
why? "its better than a last minute suprise" you just jump on a bandwagon I did write extensively on why town should not waste their vote and that I was concerned about the lack of resistance there had been to Bbyte's lynch. Plus, we agreed that last minute switches tend to benefit the mafia, so we had to ensure this didn't happen. And anyway, jumping on a bandwagon is another thing that 3/4 of the town is much guiltier than I am of, yet you only attack me for this. Why would you do such a thing? I was pretty much the only one to try to push for a lynch that was based on analysis, yet you target me for "jumping" on a bandwagon? Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 02:21 layabout wrote:On December 09 2011 05:24 xtfftc wrote:
Yes, albeit a short one that doesn't cover some bits. I feel uneasy about the way no one objects on lynching Jay. It feels like Day 1 all over again, which makes me wonder whether Jay might actually be town - even though mafia are probably just bussing him at this point. So my vote stays on EY to remind people that we have to catch the whole mafia team and not just one member of it. another contradiction it also doesn't make sense that "to remind people that we have to catch the whole mafia team" could be a reason for a vote Of course it does make sense. We had the whole town sheeping for Day 1 and Day 2, so it is necessary to have proper discussions from now on. And what it is that I am guilty of exactly? Are you suggesting that I was trying to somehow save Jay by refusing to vote for him, even though there were like 10 votes for him a few hours before the deadline?
The quote where you vote for BByte once again connects with my earlier view. You're in favor of jumping on the BByte bandwagon because even though he's not your best scum read it's better than a last second surprise, OK that's fine but then you choose not to vote for Jaybrundage, who you do admit is your best scum read, and the only explanation you've given us so far is you're wifom defense of being accused of jumping on a bandwagon. Why are you afraid of being called out for bandwagoning on Jay but not on BByte? It's possible that you did have a reason for not voting you're greatest scum read. The fact of the matter is that you still haven't explained why you didn't vote for JB, all you've given us so far is the WIFOM "I would have been accused of voting JB as bandwagoning or I would have been accused of not voting scum"
You've shown that you're willing to vote for bandwagons on people you're not sure are mafia but you won't for people you do think are mafia. You're defense is weak, why did you not vote your greatest scum read?
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On December 12 2011 02:14 Bluelightz wrote:
Its my first game dont expect much from me :p
anyway im gonna look @ people's filter & post my analysis of the one i think is most scummies when i can also
gottl sleep cya c:
This kind of attitude is really frowned upon. It's many people's first game here. We expect you to contribute just like everybody else.
On December 08 2011 00:05 Bluelightz wrote:
PS: if i don't post much it's because I don't really have a good scumread on anyone if I do I'll post my analysis
Even if you're not sure on a lynch just give us your opinions. You need to post your thoughts and analysis to show your alignment, not just help catch scum.
Reading through you're filter, you've given us nothing and just agreed with the majority of the town.
When you wake up give us some analysis, nobody cares if you're 100% sure about who is scum, it just helps to get everybody's thoughts.
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