EPTSomething I'd really like to mention: Please replace the player "First person" feeds with an actual direct video feed from their computer. In my opinion that's nicer to watch / cut to than a screen with an observer following the player's camera.
IPL 3 - Production Perspective - Page 2
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RaGe
Belgium9942 Posts
Something I'd really like to mention: Please replace the player "First person" feeds with an actual direct video feed from their computer. In my opinion that's nicer to watch / cut to than a screen with an observer following the player's camera. | ||
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Kaiko
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CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11567 Posts
On October 12 2011 00:39 RaGe wrote: Nice blog! Something I'd really like to mention: Please replace the player "First person" feeds with an actual direct video feed from their computer. In my opinion that's nicer to watch / cut to than a screen with an observer following the player's camera. this would be better imo, however idk if this would lag the game or anything. i wouldn't assume it to, but just something to look into. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
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aNDRoM
United States637 Posts
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tofucake
Hyrule18923 Posts
On October 12 2011 01:54 CaucasianAsian wrote: this would be better imo, however idk if this would lag the game or anything. i wouldn't assume it to, but just something to look into. It's definitely possible to do without lagging the games, though typically not on the random online-tournament-cast-from-home-and/or-replays streams/events you see. Anyway, I enjoyed most of the stuff I was awake for. One thing I heard mentioned several times was that IGN should try to get Tylenol as a sponsor, but I don't think you have anything to do with that. | ||
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Derity
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bakoyma
Norway9 Posts
But you got through it and made a fantastic event, you have every reason to be proud. Thank you for wonderful entertainment, I've followed as much as I could (time difference and work prevented me following some of the live feed, but that's unavoidable unfortunately). As for the question on the panels, I found them extremely enjoyable. Great entertainment and it's always fun for fans (speaking for myself here, but I doubt I am alone in this) to see more sides of the players than just the actual playing. The camera angle question... I am unsure. For my part I would like to see it tried and then make a decision if I think it's wort it or not. Might be cool, I like the idea ^^ Well done, ppl! \o/ | ||
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Everest9
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alphaQ
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Going on to the critique, I think these 2 things are probably the most easily fixed, and would provide big improvements to the presentation of the main streams. On October 11 2011 18:12 Asha` wrote: The pre-game handshakes were a nice idea but sometimes felt a little awkward with the rush up on stage, quick handshake, and being back off instantly before the host had really got a chance to say anything. A little more controlled and I think it would be great =) --- I'm not sure how much it comes under your purview since this seems mostly to be about general event production, but some of the graphic elements of the IPL overlays bothered me a bit when compared to the awesome quality of almost everything else. Mostly the scoreboard overlay which felt a little out of place when compared to everything else on display. For the handshake, maybe have the host bring each player out with an introductory title, like "The Kratos Protoss" for MC. | ||
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Peekay.switch
Canada285 Posts
Its amazing to hear feedback from you and how into the event and community you are! The event was beyond amazing! Keep up the good work! | ||
Alex.IGN
United States1050 Posts
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SirScoots
United States138 Posts
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Fiel
United States587 Posts
Something I'd like to get community opinions on is this - after a big epic battle or a player is surprsied by something how would you guys feel about cutting away from gameplay for a 2-3 second full screen camera shot of the player? YES YES YES THIS. After watching Brood War for so long, the Korean cameramen use this tactic a lot, especially when: - Showing the player after a very successful engagement - Showing a player after a very negative engagement - Showing a player that's getting pummeled and will likely GG soon so we can see his reaction to the loss. - Showing either player just after a loss. Regarding the player cameras, I noticed that a lot of the time after the game was over the camera would remain on the Starcraft 2 screen for at least 10 - 15 seconds before switching back to the caster desk. That time would be better spent showing either the winning player or the losing player after the match to see how he feels about the game. Let me show you a game where being able to see the player's expressions made watching the game so much better. Jump to 6:17 to see the start of the game. The video may be 27 minutes, but the game is only 7 - 10 minutes long. + Show Spoiler [Flash vs Baby @ Empire of the Sun] + You'll notice watching through that game just how much they jump between game --> player --> game, even for a fleeting 1 - 2 seconds. It really helps to build tension, serves to connect the audience with the player of the game, and it shows us the player emotions. Also, you can see the actual disappointment the defending player, Flash, feels when he can't break out of the contain and has to GG. Also you'll notice at the beginning of the game, they do this: Introduce Player 1 on the map --> show player 1 in booth --> Introduce Player 2 on the map --> show player 2 in booth Another example of showing a booth cam in a game is when there is a stalemate, like in Stephano vs Kiwikaki Game 2, where neither side really wants to attack. This leads to a lull in the game where booth shots are great. Here's a Brood War game where there's a stalemate and the booth cams are hilarious because of it: Jump to about 42:00 and watch the rest. It's hilarious. + Show Spoiler [Flash vs Jangbi] + Another idea is to show a split cam after the game so you can see both players. You can see an example of this at 9:30 + Show Spoiler [Jaedong vs hyvaa] + --------------------- Another idea to take from the Korean Brood War scene is what the winner does after a game. In some Brood War events, the winning player gets to sign a shirt and throw it out to the audience. So don't let Randy Anderson throw the shirts out there with no signatures on them. Give the shirt some value to the audience! Also, make sure to let a Ro4 winner sign two shirts and the Champion Winner sign 3 shirts. That's fun for the player and gives added value to live attendees. After the player signs the shirt, he then gets his picture taken which will be used in a press announcement. -------------------- For the pre-game handshake, I still feel that it's an integral part of the game. However, I think a good idea would be to take a page out of MLG's book. Both players are ushered on stage and a person does a very quick interview - similar to what was done with the David Ting + Bronze Toss Girl (forgot her name!). An interview allows players to say what they want to do in the match and builds tension. It also doesn't make the long walk to the center of the stage to shake hands so awkward. It also allows you to fill up the time that you might have used to show pre-taped interviews. -------------------- Another suggestion is to make sure your casters are Referees and not Observers every single game. There was one point where Sheth paused the game and the Casters couldn't do anything to unpause the game for the audience. I think this happened again later in the tournament. -------------------- Another way to fill up time is instead of using pre-taped interviews, why not go into the player lounge and live interview a progamer? Ask him about how he's doing in the tournament, what he thinks, etc.. Or an impromptu live interview with Boxer - I think a lot of fans would like that. | ||
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StimiLant
United States534 Posts
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Remaker12
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GhandiEAGLE
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Fkyx
United States109 Posts
I posted some input in the feedback thread before, but I'll address other things here. About the filler content: As you noted, the filler content was great, but it did get repetitive. Have you considered cutting to the LiveU stream, or maybe some recorded content from the LiveU stream for interviews with spectators or staff or players during the down time? I think this would be a great way to promote those IGN Prime streams as well while filling extra time. Granted, there's quite a delay between the main stream and the LiveU stream... maybe there's a way you guys could sync them up? Maybe you can find a way to do "instant replay" like you see in boxing or MMA between rounds! Pre-game handshake is a good thing, but I think it could be refined a little bit. It seems like Rachel and Anna were a little under-prepared every time, and were trying to be a tad witty, which ultimately led to some stumbled intros. How cool would it be to mention some of the developing storylines before introducing each player? "To my right is the only remaining foreigner hope, Stephano! Can he take on Korea single-handedly, or will he be struck down like the rest?" or "To my left is a man who is always a fan favorite. After showing some of the most exciting games we've seen this weekend, can he continue his romp through the bracket all the way to the finals?" That sort of stuff really helps with hype and I think it's better than making witty comments and such. The PiP is great. As someone mentioned before, having shots of the crowd added in would be excellent. I love watching people react to super-tense moments in the game. Can we have PiP of the player on the first-person view streams, also? Maybe a stationary camera in the booth? Computers outside of the booth, definitely. This should help computer performance as well. LO3 Panels were sick. But perhaps it's a good idea to show a brief "questionable content" screen before they start, because we all know those guys are no fluff! Hah. Loved the player panels also. The second one hosted by iNcontroL felt a lot more informal and was more entertaining to watch. I didn't watch the entire first panel, but did you guys take any questions from chat/twitter? I love it when live events interact with the communities on the internet as well. Bring Lani back for IPL4, please. Thanks for the blog, Ron! Love this kind of insider stuff! | ||
Ares[Effort]
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On October 12 2011 01:54 CaucasianAsian wrote: this would be better imo, however idk if this would lag the game or anything. i wouldn't assume it to, but just something to look into. Ooooh, I see you have moved up to arbiter! Well played, Mr.CA! Also excellent write-up! | ||
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