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heist
United States720 Posts
There's no way we should be focusing on a 3rd party lynch anyways. Go for mafia or go for broke. I'll post my thoughts on TS later. Although, honestly my basis is that at least 2 mafia voted for Jackal day 2. I don't know how reliable that is as a starting point, but I'll look through and see if there's anything more concrete than the stuff on pyo. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
=[. I guess I won't be using a smurf for PYP =[ | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On October 01 2011 05:01 chaoser wrote: =[. I guess I won't be using a smurf for PYP =[ Awww I was waiting for it to sign up to PYP so we could laugh at you  | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On October 01 2011 05:01 chaoser wrote: =[. I guess I won't be using a smurf for PYP =[ Neither will I! We can be the awesome people with established metas! Also, I call PM buddy with you in that game ^_^ | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On October 01 2011 05:02 GMarshal wrote: Neither will I! We can be the awesome people with established metas! Also, I call PM buddy with you in that game ^_^ Mafia can PM buddy each other! ![[image loading]](http://windowseat.ca/images/shark_gorilla_high_5.png) | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On October 01 2011 04:55 TheManWithThePlan wrote: Not particularly. I was laughing the whole time I was writing that up. But obviously I would be EXTREMELY DEFENSIVE with 0 votes on me and oh so many on pyo right? You never said it but clearly implied it. Unless, of course, you weren't implying it in which case you're saying Pyo is a good lynch aka you think he's scum aka you're agreeing with scum that I should be lynched. That hole ain't getting smaller.  + Show Spoiler + ahahahaha this game keeps getting better and better | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
On October 01 2011 05:01 heist wrote: There's no way we should be focusing on a 3rd party lynch anyways. Go for mafia or go for broke. I'll post my thoughts on TS later. Although, honestly my basis is that at least 2 mafia voted for Jackal day 2. I don't know how reliable that is as a starting point, but I'll look through and see if there's anything more concrete than the stuff on pyo. That and the plan to risk giving a ring to people you believe to be town are why I'm thinking it's him. I mean, Radfield and DoctorHelvatica would have been likely have been major contenders for ring passing target if the plan had gone through. On September 30 2011 10:34 kitaman27 wrote: Could you provide a case against Trance, rather than just a voting list? What seperates him from rayn or jcarl? The plan for the ring he made on day 1 | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
On October 01 2011 05:01 heist wrote: There's no way we should be focusing on a 3rd party lynch anyways. Go for mafia or go for broke. I'll post my thoughts on TS later. Although, honestly my basis is that at least 2 mafia voted for Jackal day 2. I don't know how reliable that is as a starting point, but I'll look through and see if there's anything more concrete than the stuff on pyo. I agree with that, assuming there is 3 mafia left and their kp is two, the sk (assuming there still is one) has a kp, so either way we take a kp off, the difference is the sk's kp can still hit mafia, or force a mafia roleblock -> medic isn't roleblocked. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
I don't know but it's just giving me a bad feeling at the moment and something I want to look in to tonight / tomorrow | ||
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heist
United States720 Posts
On October 01 2011 05:19 Drazerk wrote: Guys does anyone else find it oddly suspicious Mafia would send out a message saying Jcarl is Uglúk when they knew iGrok would probably be lynched the same day? I don't know but it's just giving me a bad feeling at the moment and something I want to look in to tonight / tomorrow It's not like it clears jcarl. It could only make people raise suspicion on jcarl for being singled out. I wouldn't look too much into or else you get caught up in a double psychology loop. | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On October 01 2011 06:14 Pyo wrote: scum team: heist, chaoser, kitaman Kita is confirmed tracker... | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
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heist
United States720 Posts
Again, I looked at interactions with confirmed mafia. On September 17 2011 14:36 TranceStorm wrote: Debating about who should get the ring and what each role can or cannot do at the moment is pointless at the current time. However, I do like one of the plans that was proposed by a few people: having the person who successfully passed on the ring claim themselves. This way, we can enable a 'chain' to be made - i.e. the first player can confirm the second player once the second player has passed on the ring themselves. This is all dependent on the assumption that evil players cannot pass the ring themselves which as Radfield pointed out, is probably a true assumption. Given this, however, this plan would probably only be effective for the first few 'passes' and perhaps near the end of the game when town circles become more clear. The risk after the first few days that the person holding the ring is killed, or has the ring stolen (which is a possible role according to the OP) makes the plan ineffective. Therefore, I think that such a plan should work for the first 2 or 3 days to confirm at least one or two people. Any thoughts or ideas about this? I haven't fully fleshed this out yet (i.e. the possibility of fake claims is strong), but its probably a better discussion than the arbitrary finger-pointing going on at the moment. Bad plan. Whatever. Either you are a townie posting your plan with maybe a higher purpose of discussion (which he tries to defend himself as doing when everyone shits on his plan) OR you are mafia trying to slip in a bad plan for town to follow and derail discussion on a ill-formed plan. Null-tell. But what is interesting, is you start off your posts with an automatic belief in Radfield's assumptions. You trust him. Pretty harmless at first but let's look further. On September 17 2011 14:58 TranceStorm wrote: You make a fair point about how Radfield's post was more based upon game mechanics than any actual analysis. However, you follow this up with a summary of some rather obvious conclusions derived from the thread and some generic advice of your own! I would love to see you 'ask people questions' and figure out the intent of their posts as well. Yes, yes "fair point" but then you proceed to soft defend Radfield by attacking chaos' post. On September 22 2011 06:03 TranceStorm wrote: Well that sounds reasonable. I am concerned about how the town is supposed to direct iGrok's night kill when we are divided as is though. Nevertheless, I'll look between Jackal and Palmar now. Is now taking complete guidance from Radfield. His votes are being informed entirely by Radfield. He has moves off iGrok and is ready to switch last minute onto a bandwagon of Radfield's choosing. **As a side note, Radfield I have to applaud you for how well you (mis)led the town. On September 18 2011 01:18 Radfield wrote: This is a bunk vote. Bad plans are pushed all the time, mostly by townies as scum generally have very little motivation to push a bad plan. Bad plans need refinement, not votes. Fact is, if the player who has the ring DOES pass it, he should likely claim. Either he is counterclaimed later when frodo/bilbo actually passes it, or he is confirmed. It doesn't help us immensely, but it certainly doesn't hinder. Radfield returns the favor defending TranceStorm. No one look at Trancestorm, he's just a bad townie with a bad plan. On September 17 2011 15:27 TranceStorm wrote: @DrH. Fine, those are valid points. I didn't fully flesh out my plan as well as I imagined it would be and underestimated the risks. But, wouldn't it be a good idea to set the rule that if a player does ever pass on the ring, they reveal its powers? We already know that everyone wants the ring (both town and non-town) so I think it would be beneficial to town discussion to know the ring powers. (if they don't change like you fear they might). Many people criticize his plan. Trancestorm makes an effort to address everything thrown at him and when it seems like he's failing to convince people he adds the customary "at least I'm generating discussion which is TOWN". But to DrH, it's simply: You're right. I made a bad plan and you, and only you, get the credit for correcting me. Good job. Only DrH gets him to see the error of his plan when other people have already chimed in with what is essentially the same arguments. On September 19 2011 04:25 TranceStorm wrote: You made a long analysis to justify why you voted for Dr. H. Then you changed to Jackal (after he had already received a couple of votes) saying that you wanted to pressure him. There is still no justification at all for you vote. Considering that you had already shown that you were willing to give analysis on other people, I find your vote super suspicious hence my vote. Now you say that it's too late for you to move your vote. You still haven't justified your vote at all, and are basically admitting that you didn't have one in the first place. End of the day, he votes for the candidate who makes an analysis attacking DrH. ----- Now what else do we have: - The late bandwagons and his voting patterns. - Really anti-iGrok, but who wasn't? (oh yeah me). Attacking cyber_cheese primarily for his votes and for defending iGrok. Rayn is right. This little interaction between the two of them is a little weird. I have no idea what to make of it but at best, only one of the town is mafia. Am I entirely convinced? Not completely. Radfield did a really good job of getting townies to do what he wanted. ON had many of the same mistakes and he flipped town. The late bandwagons are iffy at best as tells for alignment, and Cyber and TS can just be two townies who can't stop tunneling each other. TS was simply the better alternative to Cyber at the time. | ||
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heist
United States720 Posts
On October 01 2011 06:14 Pyo wrote: scum team: heist, chaoser, kitaman stop being deliberately useless | ||
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heist
United States720 Posts
On October 01 2011 06:15 Pyo wrote: ##unvote ##vote: chaoser What the hell is this? Chaoser has killed a mafia member. Chaoser is not mafia. We are trying to lynch mafia. Mafia, mafia, mafia. Put your vote to better use. | ||
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