Please avoid making the following comments in this topic:
-Balance complaints; -Player or caster bashing; -Stream quality or lag complaints; -Offtopic arguments and negativisms. -No effort posts such as +1's, quotes without adding to them and general 'hahaha' etc posts.
This is a free event hosted for your entertainment, please enjoy it as such and treat your fellow community members with respect when you post. Transgressions of forum rules and etiquette will be met with bans.
If you have any questions feel free to shoot me a PM on site or query me on IRC. Have fun ~Nyovne
On September 18 2011 01:54 TotalBiscuit wrote: Oh stop whining you lot. Bunch of sissies on this forum. The only drama is coming from you guys. Enjoy the tournament and stop acting like this is TMZ XD
On September 18 2011 08:20 Slunk wrote: Just watched the VODs and hooooly shit. I am so happy for DongRaeGu and also I am sooo impressed by Thorzain. He is the best foreigner by far and propably the only one in the top 50 players overall. So awesome, too bad he does not like Korea.
Best TvP by far maybe
I'd put SeleCT's TvP over Thorzain, but Thorzain has the best overall mechanics with Terran that I've seen from a foreigner.
Your joking right? Thorzain does not have good mechanics. His macro is fine, but is marine/tank control is so bad, which is kinda why he slow pushes, because he doesn't have the apm to do a qiucker attack (every game he tried to do a tank marine push he failed cus he made so many wrong things, like not having spotters, and bad marine splitting).
Major has much better mechanics than Thorzain.
Major? lol Why are you even bringing him up in this context
Because he really does.. just watch his stream and be surprised..
When Major wins something like TSL3 or gets second in an invitational like this one we can start comparing.
So you can only judge if a player is good or not by his tournament winnings?
I think tournament winnings are a more reliable way to determine player skill than arbitrary "he's really good, just watch his stream"-type statements.
On September 18 2011 08:20 Slunk wrote: Just watched the VODs and hooooly shit. I am so happy for DongRaeGu and also I am sooo impressed by Thorzain. He is the best foreigner by far and propably the only one in the top 50 players overall. So awesome, too bad he does not like Korea.
Best TvP by far maybe
I'd put SeleCT's TvP over Thorzain, but Thorzain has the best overall mechanics with Terran that I've seen from a foreigner.
Your joking right? Thorzain does not have good mechanics. His macro is fine, but is marine/tank control is so bad, which is kinda why he slow pushes, because he doesn't have the apm to do a qiucker attack (every game he tried to do a tank marine push he failed cus he made so many wrong things, like not having spotters, and bad marine splitting).
Major has much better mechanics than Thorzain.
Major? lol Why are you even bringing him up in this context
Because he really does.. just watch his stream and be surprised..
When Major wins something like TSL3 or gets second in an invitational like this one we can start comparing.
So you can only judge if a player is good or not by his tournament winnings?
I think tournament winnings are a more reliable way to determine player skill than arbitrary "he's really good, just watch his stream"-type statements.
Yes i agree it's more reliable but for example Hero hasn't won any major tournaments but when you see him playing you know he is really good that's what i mean.
On September 18 2011 08:20 Slunk wrote: Just watched the VODs and hooooly shit. I am so happy for DongRaeGu and also I am sooo impressed by Thorzain. He is the best foreigner by far and propably the only one in the top 50 players overall. So awesome, too bad he does not like Korea.
Best TvP by far maybe
I'd put SeleCT's TvP over Thorzain, but Thorzain has the best overall mechanics with Terran that I've seen from a foreigner.
Your joking right? Thorzain does not have good mechanics. His macro is fine, but is marine/tank control is so bad, which is kinda why he slow pushes, because he doesn't have the apm to do a qiucker attack (every game he tried to do a tank marine push he failed cus he made so many wrong things, like not having spotters, and bad marine splitting).
Major has much better mechanics than Thorzain.
Major? lol Why are you even bringing him up in this context
Because he really does.. just watch his stream and be surprised..
When Major wins something like TSL3 or gets second in an invitational like this one we can start comparing.
So you can only judge if a player is good or not by his tournament winnings?
I think tournament winnings are a more reliable way to determine player skill than arbitrary "he's really good, just watch his stream"-type statements.
Yes i agree it's more reliable but for example Hero hasn't won any major tournaments but when you see him playing you know he is really good that's what i mean.
He's placed highly in tournaments while playing well. Just like the original statement said ThorZain getting 2nd in this tournament as an example of skill, not a 'winning'
Just finished watching the Vods now. Decided to interrupt the live stream due to the connection problems yesterday. Just wanted to say THANK YOU for an awsome event. Its truly a pleasure to watch the dreamhack events.
On September 18 2011 08:20 Slunk wrote: Just watched the VODs and hooooly shit. I am so happy for DongRaeGu and also I am sooo impressed by Thorzain. He is the best foreigner by far and propably the only one in the top 50 players overall. So awesome, too bad he does not like Korea.
Best TvP by far maybe
I'd put SeleCT's TvP over Thorzain, but Thorzain has the best overall mechanics with Terran that I've seen from a foreigner.
Your joking right? Thorzain does not have good mechanics. His macro is fine, but is marine/tank control is so bad, which is kinda why he slow pushes, because he doesn't have the apm to do a qiucker attack (every game he tried to do a tank marine push he failed cus he made so many wrong things, like not having spotters, and bad marine splitting).
Major has much better mechanics than Thorzain.
Major? lol Why are you even bringing him up in this context
Because he really does.. just watch his stream and be surprised..
When Major wins something like TSL3 or gets second in an invitational like this one we can start comparing.
So you can only judge if a player is good or not by his tournament winnings?
jesus christ yes.
or to be fair to the man you were quoting, you judge if a player is good or not if he places high in tournaments and/or wins them. which Thorzain does. putting him down there with Princess is eligible for ridicule
Did you even read the original post? we were comparing mechanics, and it's obvious and expected to many that ex-BW pros like major would be better at it than Thorz.. it has nothing to do with other aspects of the game...
Thorzain has adequete mechanics but his main strength is known to be his preparation and a variety of solid, well thought out strategic builds. The point about Major having better mechanics may indeed be true given he was pretty damn good at BW, Thorzain is a better overall player to my knowledge though
On September 18 2011 22:24 Baozer wrote: Im a fan of ThorZain but I must say that DRG lost his games on lack of expands and upgrades ( the latter atleast in the first game). Compare the series and DRG was much less 'expand aggressive'. Which resulted in his lack of tech switch able.
EDIT: BarCraft RETRO Stockholm was awesome! Looking forward to future BarCrafts. ! ;D
That's actually DRG's main style. Not to mention that as the casters pointed out, the games he lost were close spawns, which is a much harder position to take a fast 3rd on (I mean really, close spawns Tal'Darim with a T and you want him to take a fast 3rd? What? Such a huge risk).
Wanted to go to Valencia and attend the tournament live, but things came up and I couldn't make it. Just got done watching the VODs: amazing event, amazing tournament! Gratz Dreamhack for pulling it off once again and DRG for winning.
Oh, and Thorzain Hwaiting!!! Amazing how close he came to beating DRG.