EPTOn August 16 2011 00:15 youngminii wrote:
Why would you want to shoot me, wtf?
Why would you want to shoot me, wtf?
I've seen you play good town.
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
I've seen you play good town. | ||
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tnkted
United States1359 Posts
I can count 5 off the top of my head. Perhaps someone with more experience in PM games can tell me more, but I don't trust this, it feels to me like a medic draw. All medic protect sandaroba and then the mafia suicide bombs him, killing everyone BUT him; I can see something like that happen, and who here honestly doubts that we have a suicide bomber in this game? That being said, if we can confirm sandaroba's cred, we need to protect him at all costs. Mason circles are a good thing for town, but I don't believe in trusting blindly, and I prefer to have everybody sitting at the same table when I'm playing cards. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
On August 16 2011 00:37 tnkted wrote: You don't think sandaroba could pull this off? Well, maybe. I've played exactly one game with him, so I don't know what he's capable of. But just because HE couldn't pull it off doesn't mean that he isn't being coached. Look at the player list; this is like, superscumvet city in this hizzy. He might not be capable of pulling off this gambit by himself, but how many people in that list are? I can count 5 off the top of my head. Perhaps someone with more experience in PM games can tell me more, but I don't trust this, it feels to me like a medic draw. All medic protect sandaroba and then the mafia suicide bombs him, killing everyone BUT him; I can see something like that happen, and who here honestly doubts that we have a suicide bomber in this game? That being said, if we can confirm sandaroba's cred, we need to protect him at all costs. Mason circles are a good thing for town, but I don't believe in trusting blindly, and I prefer to have everybody sitting at the same table when I'm playing cards. He is not being coached live in my discussions with him. I think I can tell when sandroba is town and when he is scum, and I think he is town. But yes, suicide bomber would suck massively. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
Leave me alone. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
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ghrur
United States3785 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [To redFF] + On August 15 2011 14:38 redFF wrote: if thats all you have to say after reading the thread then i fear for town this game. Vote for me and I will unban baal! Do you have a grudge or something? Look at the times. 14:00-14:16. Look at my statements. Did I say, "I finished the thread, and here's what I'm thinking?" Now, stop being so antagonistic. It's annoying, and I don't want to deal with it. Leave our little quarrels behind in XVIII or else I'm not even going to bother addressing you. Now, on to scum. Day 1 was a catastrophe. Town did not maintain a good atmosphere whatsoever. Kurumi is HUGELY to blame. He has like 6 pages of posts ALONE. >_> Vigi him. I don't care if he's banned; I don't want his spam clogging up out thread. I don't want him to be doing that shit when he comes back. I don't think Kavdragon is Mafia. Mafia wouldn't suggest 1:1 lynch, and mafia definitely wouldn't push someone as hard as Kav did. I also don't think Kenpachi is any form of DT because it'd be retarded to out yourself day 1 like that. Also, if he were DT, he'd actually mount a case instead of just spam vote jackal and crap. Well, who is mafia then? tnkted. Many of you have suggested LSB, and I agree with that sentiment too, but I think the two are linked indirectly and tnkted seems more likely to be scum. Here's why. On August 14 2011 00:59 tnkted wrote: WRONG Know what personality people have is very useful for town. Outing roles is lame, but knowing personality can help us understand clues that somebody might be hinting at without revealing anything. BTW guys pay attention to everyone's first couple posts. That's when we'll see the personality coming out the most, as people have fun with the roleplaying. (PS Syllogism is meapak_zipph) I completely disagree with the sentiment expressed here, and it leads town away from scum hunting. We're here to kill scum, like always. We're not here to find out people's personalities. It's not really useful at all. On August 14 2011 02:37 tnkted wrote: I don't think we should lynch kurumi. I don't think trolls are likely to be scum, and if they are they are the sort of scum that I feel we can safely ignore for the time being. Since they aren't creating a hostile town atmosphere and anyone they push to lynch probably won't end up dying, we can ignore them for now. This post is extremely scummy. Soft-defending Kurumi, and basically softly encouraging him to continue spamming. If there's no repercussions for spamming, why stop right? Furthermore, he says it doesn't create a hostile town atmosphere. That's just wrong. The reason why town's atmosphere went to shit day 1 is because of trolls. This guy is just supporting that. He's saying, don't lynch the trolls, don't push the trolls, and hey, they're not hurting you guys either. Why would any townie want to do that? No reason. Why would mafia want to do that? So they can hide in the spam, make shitty posts and get away with it, and ruin Town's discussion for lynches. Mafia play right here. On August 14 2011 12:11 tnkted wrote: Jackal: L Kurumi: BM Pandain: Qatol Kavdragon: Chezinu Sandaroba: Ver Syllogism: Meapak_Zipph? kenpachi: Ace? Meapak_Zipph could also be Ace. Foolishness: Bumatlarge Did I miss anyone? btw Great work with erasing the inventor there Pandain. Another post I want to outline for two reasons. One, completely avoids LSB who is, pretty obviously, Ace. Why would town avoid addressing town? I don't know. Why would mafia do that? So the link isn't there. Derp. Also, the list is pointless and seems more like one of those "contributing while not actually contributing" shenanigans for town cred. Who does that? Right, mafia. On August 15 2011 02:05 tnkted wrote: Since nobody is saying anything.......... ok! #vote aidnai Oh, okay, so he had an analysis on Deconduo (albeit poor), then just suddenly switches to aidnai! Great idea! Bandwagon onto the townie whom you haven't talked about until randomly deciding to vote him! On August 15 2011 03:14 tnkted wrote: RoL has enough time to blog.. perhaps he forgot about the game? Or he has a posting restriction. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=254766 Throwing out a soft FoS. Seems like he wants to get a random lynch started... Never mentions it again. That's scum play right there. Hints town towards a lynch, nudges town along, then back off and seem like he wasn't even a part of it. On August 15 2011 13:54 tnkted wrote: Kav, you need to claim your entire role or you're going to get vigi'd mighty quick. Also... don't we get to see what his role was? He says we should vigi Kav right? Like, the guy who actually ardently pushed for a lynch. The guy who he thinks isn't actually scum. BUT WAIT! On August 16 2011 00:00 tnkted wrote: No, vigs, don't hit kurumi. Unless palmar meant youngminii? I have no opinions one way or the other on that, I have no read on YM. In unrelated news, should we be talking about sandroba right now? Yes, you all know what I'm talking about, I'm talking about that. Let's NOT hit Kurumi, the guy who's been spamming the thread to hell and destroying the town atmosphere. Wtf. Honestly, tnkted is just promoting a bad atmosphere. Mafia is the party with that agenda. Tnkted is mafia | ||
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ghrur
United States3785 Posts
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On August 15 2011 18:38 Jackal58 wrote: Alright redFF. Before your obsession grows any larger why exactly am I scum? And where did you get the Lyncher shit from? And somebody please kill Kurumi. You have to get another player lynched, therefore you are a lyncher. Lynchers are never town, they are 3rd party. Not to mention kurumi was an inventor(yes i believe this). If kurumi was a VI then he would have gotten himself lynched by playing scummy, not by outright trolling the thread. YOu are not town. Vigs on Jackal tonight please. If you vote me for mayor i will unban kurumi and he will no longer need to be replaced! | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On August 16 2011 01:47 youngminii wrote: also VE is scum lmao Okay, aidnai taon...booseph. And it's too early to really call people out for 'not contributing' because it's now night 1 and day 1 has just ended...and from my experience, most of the experienced dudes on this site wait until like day 2 or 3 to say anything of value. Because of this generalization, I'm not really suspicious of the vets who have been mostly silent. So who DO I find suspicious? I have to say that the fact Kav's deep insistence that Aid was scum and subsequent town flip from aidnai IS troubling...mainly because Aidnai and Kavdragon were BOTH Chezinu from every indication...and Aidnai flipped town. And as it was pointed out earlier, the fact that one of them was 'evil' suggests that the other was of an opposing faction. What I'm having trouble with is the fact that the remaining Chezinu has 'regained his sanity'...I don't know what this indicates. Does it mean that the other Chez WAS scum and is now town? Does it indicate that only his post restriction was lifted? Does it indicate that he was actually receiving PMs whispering of Aid's guilt and now those have stopped? I couldn't begin to guess...but I'd have to say that at this point, I'm most suspicious of Kavdragon. | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
On August 16 2011 01:47 youngminii wrote: also VE is scum Way to try to shit up the thread more. Wouldn't mind a YM shot. On August 16 2011 02:24 VisceraEyes wrote: lmao Okay, aidnai taon...booseph. And it's too early to really call people out for 'not contributing' because it's now night 1 and day 1 has just ended...and from my experience, most of the experienced dudes on this site wait until like day 2 or 3 to say anything of value. Because of this generalization, I'm not really suspicious of the vets who have been mostly silent. So who DO I find suspicious? I have to say that the fact Kav's deep insistence that Aid was scum and subsequent town flip from aidnai IS troubling...mainly because Aidnai and Kavdragon were BOTH Chezinu from every indication...and Aidnai flipped town. And as it was pointed out earlier, the fact that one of them was 'evil' suggests that the other was of an opposing faction. What I'm having trouble with is the fact that the remaining Chezinu has 'regained his sanity'...I don't know what this indicates. Does it mean that the other Chez WAS scum and is now town? Does it indicate that only his post restriction was lifted? Does it indicate that he was actually receiving PMs whispering of Aid's guilt and now those have stopped? I couldn't begin to guess...but I'd have to say that at this point, I'm most suspicious of Kavdragon. What a delightful wall of text saying absolutely nothing new. Got any other scumreads? | ||
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tnkted
United States1359 Posts
On August 16 2011 01:48 ghrur wrote: Now, on to scum. Day 1 was a catastrophe. Town did not maintain a good atmosphere whatsoever. Kurumi is HUGELY to blame. He has like 6 pages of posts ALONE. >_> Vigi him. I don't care if he's banned; I don't want his spam clogging up out thread. I don't want him to be doing that shit when he comes back. No, because Kurumi was not the only one talking. Go back and read. Jackal and Kurumi were arguing, as well as kav and aidnai, as well as half a dozen other people. Kurumi has posted only a few total spam posts (the pokemon ones) and those are arguably a form of roleclaiming, since it was through the pokemon posts that jackal began his spampain to lynch BM. What you're doing here is assigning all of the blame in a situation to one person, while ignoring the contributions of others. I'm not calling that a scumtell, but it's bad logic and poor reasoning. I don't think Kavdragon is Mafia. Mafia wouldn't suggest 1:1 lynch, and mafia definitely wouldn't push someone as hard as Kav did. Sounds like some easy loopholes. All mafia has to do is those exact things next time and you'd be completely fooled! That said, I agree that kav is probably not mafia. Unluckily for him, I don't have a gun I can withold from shooting him with, so he's going to have to demonstrate his town with something else, IE a complete roleclaim. I also don't think Kenpachi is any form of DT because it'd be retarded to out yourself day 1 like that. Also, if he were DT, he'd actually mount a case instead of just spam vote jackal and crap. It's pretty obvious to me that ken is acting out his personality, as are many of the people whose behavior you've judged as 'unnatural'. Most people have agreed that ken is probably RoL, who is well known for claiming dt and fingering the mafia godfather on the first day. Well, who is mafia then? tnkted. Many of you have suggested LSB, and I agree with that sentiment too, but I think the two are linked indirectly and tnkted seems more likely to be scum. Here's why. I completely disagree with the sentiment expressed here, and it leads town away from scum hunting. We're here to kill scum, like always. We're not here to find out people's personalities. It's not really useful at all. You have said exactly nothing here. WHY are we not here to find out peoples personalities? What follows is a logical arrangement of your arguement: 1.I disagree with Tnkted 2.Tnkted's idea leads town away from scumhunting 3.We want to kill scum 4.We are not here to find out peoples personalities 5.Tnkted's idea is not useful at all Of the above, only 2 is actually a reason why what i said is wrong, but you don't support that reasoning at all. 4 is an assertion you simply state without any reasoning. It's also false, for reasons I can't get into right now. This post is extremely scummy. Soft-defending Kurumi, and basically softly encouraging him to continue spamming. If there's no repercussions for spamming, why stop right? Furthermore, he says it doesn't create a hostile town atmosphere. That's just wrong. The reason why town's atmosphere went to shit day 1 is because of trolls. This guy is just supporting that. He's saying, don't lynch the trolls, don't push the trolls, and hey, they're not hurting you guys either. Why would any townie want to do that? No reason. Why would mafia want to do that? So they can hide in the spam, make shitty posts and get away with it, and ruin Town's discussion for lynches. Mafia play right here. This is a moot point anyway, since kurumi is banned and isn't playing anymore. But I'm not encouraging him to continue spamming, I'm encouraging him to continue acting out his role. We don't know what roles people have, or how they work; its obvious at this point that some people have posting restrictions. Do you even understand what and how town atmosphere works? Spamming doesn't generate a hostile town atmosphere in and of itself; all it does is make it more difficult for people to read the thread. Tunnel spamming is different, and that's what happened here (I explain this because I don't think you understand the distinction). The town atmosphere is damaged when nobody can trust each other, when dts are undermined by counter dts and nobody can tell who is telling the truth or not. Let me ask you: is there anyone that we can all agree is town, who we can rely on to act in a forthright and intelligent (or at least predictable) manner conductive to our interests? Are there several such people? Are they working together? If yes, then you'll understand a good town atmosphere. Fact is, I think we're doing ok. Sure we missed on the first lynch, but we also got enough people for a majority lynch. Do you know how difficult it is in regular games to get such a lynch off on the first day? It's not easy. More than half the players in the game have to agree to lynch the SAME person. The fact that we were able to come together to kill aidnai is a sign of vitality IMO, although I'm sure others would disagree. Oh, and we were essentially relying on the word of Kavdragon, who we all assumed was some sort of dt. Given aidnai's flip ('evil' chezinu), I'm not suprised at why he thought we should flip aidnai. Another post I want to outline for two reasons. One, completely avoids LSB who is, pretty obviously, Ace. Why would town avoid addressing town? I don't know. Why would mafia do that? So the link isn't there. Derp. Also, the list is pointless and seems more like one of those "contributing while not actually contributing" shenanigans for town cred. Who does that? Right, mafia. So, 1.This list isn't complete! He must be scum, protecting his buddy's role. Why is LSB Ace? Does Ace have a monopoly on calling people idiots? Lets see: You're an idiot. Nothing happened, I think we're ok. I don't think LSB is ace, and until you can convince me otherwise he's not going on the list. 2. This list is pointless anyway So you accuse me of leaving somebody off the list, and use that to call me scum, and then you say that the list is pointless anyway? So is the list a useful tool or not? I remind you at this point that, as of yet, you have STILL to explain why listing people's apparent roles is a bad thing. You think mafia doesn't already have such a list? I think it's a good thing, and whats more, I'm obligated to do so by my role. Suck it. Oh, okay, so he had an analysis on Deconduo (albeit poor), then just suddenly switches to aidnai! Great idea! Bandwagon onto the townie whom you haven't talked about until randomly deciding to vote him! You conveniently ignored the post where I said I was cutting decon some slack due to his towny response to my pressure. I've already explained my aidnai push above. Picking and choosing which quotes make your subject look scummy while ignoring the rest is at best, bad town play and at worst stupid scumplay. Throwing out a soft FoS. Seems like he wants to get a random lynch started... Never mentions it again. That's scum play right there. Hints town towards a lynch, nudges town along, then back off and seem like he wasn't even a part of it. You can call things 'soft FoS' if you think the semantics make you look cool, but the rest of us call it 'pressure' because we aren't huge dorks. RoL still has posted very little, mostly one liners. I think he might be kenpachi if anything. He says we should vigi Kav right? Like, the guy who actually ardently pushed for a lynch. The guy who he thinks isn't actually scum. BUT WAIT! Let's NOT hit Kurumi, the guy who's been spamming the thread to hell and destroying the town atmosphere. Wtf. Honestly, tnkted is just promoting a bad atmosphere. Mafia is the party with that agenda. Tnkted is mafia zzz try harder. 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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On August 16 2011 02:23 redFF wrote: You have to get another player lynched, therefore you are a lyncher. Lynchers are never town, they are 3rd party. Not to mention kurumi was an inventor(yes i believe this). If kurumi was a VI then he would have gotten himself lynched by playing scummy, not by outright trolling the thread. YOu are not town. Vigs on Jackal tonight please. If you vote me for mayor i will unban kurumi and he will no longer need to be replaced! I don't have to get Kurumi/BM lynched. I just have to campaign for his death. I don't care how he dies. I get nothing out of it. I receive no special powers. I gain no extra life. I get no KP. I get nothing but the peace of mind of no longer having to campaign for his death "no matter what". I (Jackal58) didn't really have any reason for him to get lynched or vigid or whatever until I saw how he continued to react to me even after it was apparent to everybody including him that I must campaign for his death. It's not like anybody was taking it seriously but him. Perhaps he has to as well. I dunno. But I can live without his spam. So ya go tunnel somebody else. I'm done with Kurumi/BM until he's replaced or unbanned. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7429 Posts
On August 15 2011 21:26 tnkted wrote: Chez, what do you think of this evil chezinu thing? Is there a good and evil version of you? What sort of powers do you think they would have? I believe the good refers to the sane version of Chezinu, who actually makes sense. The evil may refer to the insanity side who would cause chaos, create riddles, and talk nonsense just for selfish laughs. The insane side who post crazy stuff to protect himself, while the sane version would actually scum hunt and analyze the game. Together, they would create an orderly chaotic posting style. The sane side would maintain an overall theme in the chaos to prevent complete utter destruction of the posts. The sane would hide truth within the riddles and place sense among the nonsense. Without the insanity.. the selfish protection is gone. The bluff shields are eliminated. The sane becomes nothing but a martyr.. Willing to laying down everything in order to end the mafia and to help restore the town. If the good has a blue role, town has nothing to be concerned about with the death of insanity. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7429 Posts
The Bank is offering to reward of 10,000 cheznos to anyone who is able to identify Walton. If anyone would like to do business with me let me know. We are currently hiring as well. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On August 16 2011 03:54 Chezinu wrote: Hey Guys! I'm a Bank. There is no need to go into detail of the powers that the bank possesses. The Bank is offering to reward of 10,000 cheznos to anyone who is able to identify Walton. If anyone would like to do business with me let me know. We are currently hiring as well. I would like to apply. What positions are open? | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
First off, the timing of their three concurrent extremely soft pushes on me: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252145¤tpage=23 All for different, stupid reasons. None willing to throw the vote and start the pressure, but each testing the waters to see if a wagon on me will pick up. I will start out by saying that Fishball's soft push timing right after my claim, and the fact that he immediately saw what I was claiming, struck me as extremely suspicious. Notice that his post does not ask me for a reason why I claimed or anything, it merely said this: So we have our first "actual" role claim; Though I'm more interested in your alignment than who you are. Trying to paint me as scum for claiming. He ignored every other claim earlier in the thread. But he centers on my claim. Hmm. Almost as if he was lying in wait waiting for me to give him a reason to attack me. I personally decided to throw out my claim and lo and behold, the fish bites. Take a look at the PMs contained in the following spoiler. Note that you will have to read it from bottom up, cause that's how TL PM quoting works: + Show Spoiler + Sandro Maculan: From: ghrur [ 1696 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: personality mafia Date: 8/16/11 03:00 Meh, not my fault. lol. Original Message From sandroba: I would think so, and I have a theory why that is. That was a pretty scummy way to use that role if I'm guessing right. From: ghrur [ 1696 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: personality mafia Date: 8/16/11 02:55 Yes, it has something to do with our role which I cannot disclose yet. :/ Original Message From sandroba: I do agree with you. I was kind of suspicious o fishball though. Can you see any reason for him to reveal curu's claim and soft attack him? Hide nested quote - Original Message From ghrur: Alright. Mig, I'm unsure of right now. His posts doesn't have the flavor that his scum meta gives off, but he also hasn't been extremely helpful. Maybe it's the nature of the game. Curu seems like normal. I think he's town. He pressures people, he's being logical, he doesn't hesitate. I like that. Kav, I don't think he's scum. I've already stated why in thread. Original Message From sandroba: Sure. Original Message From ghrur: If I answer will you answer? Original Message From sandroba: Actually I would like you to answer that. What are your thoughts on these people? Original Message From ghrur: I'm subbing for Fishball. Yeah, bum's been pretty generic and seeming like his scum from Experimental Mini. Any thoughts on Mig? or Curu? How about Kav? Original Message From sandroba: Who are you subbing for btw? I'm pretty suspicious of bum. I have other suspicions but I prefer not to disclose them right now. Original Message From ghrur: Hey, cool. What're your thoughts on scum? Like, whom do you find scummy? Original Message From sandroba: Sup. You can PM me back, I can pm everyone. If you get any info tomorrow you can pm me the info and I will post it in thread without outing w/e role you have. If you are medic protect me tonight (please my role is imba), if you are scum fuck you. sandroba sent me this gem. Inherent guilt in ghrur; he knows something his predecessor did was scummy. sandroba pushed a teeny tiny bit with a theory and ghrur crumbled and admitted to his predecessor's scumminess. Whatever theory sanroba has, I'm sure it was confirmed by ghrur acknowledging that something was scummy as soon as sandroba mentioned a theory at all without having to elaborate on it or explain the theory. No confusion from ghrur, no "what theory is that?" just inherent self admitted guilt. I will not credit nor discredit sandroba's theory (or otherwise comment on it), I will leave him to explain it. This possibility has been playing itself out in my head ever since I first saw Fishball's post. But now I have full confirmation that my suspicions are indeed correct. I claimed in the way that I did to draw out reactions and see who would pick up on it first. Suffice to say I came up with my own very legitimate reasons to claim and I personally deemed it the best course of action for myself. It may just have netted a scum or three as well though. | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
Strong opinions from Fishball/Barundar at that point in time, but nothing when the Aidnai wagon was happening. I really wish we had flipped Pandain. | ||
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tnkted
United States1359 Posts
On August 16 2011 03:54 Chezinu wrote: Hey Guys! I'm a Bank. There is no need to go into detail of the powers that the bank possesses. The Bank is offering to reward of 10,000 cheznos to anyone who is able to identify Walton. If anyone would like to do business with me let me know. We are currently hiring as well. I think kav already said that Walton was aidnai. Pay up! I'm also interested in what positions are available...! | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On August 16 2011 03:54 Chezinu wrote: Hey Guys! I'm a Bank. There is no need to go into detail of the powers that the bank possesses. The Bank is offering to reward of 10,000 cheznos to anyone who is able to identify Walton. If anyone would like to do business with me let me know. We are currently hiring as well. I was wondering if the bank would like to help fund my mayoral campaign? | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On August 16 2011 04:12 redFF wrote: I was wondering if the bank would like to help fund my mayoral campaign? I already won the mayor campaign yesterday with 1 vote! | ||
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