EPTWhy do people pay for "coaching?" - Page 3
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Bibdy
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Sufficiency
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CecilSunkure
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iamke55
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
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Sablar
Sweden880 Posts
But if people want to get better and are willing to spend money then I don't see anything wrong with it and even a bad teacher will probably help more than noone at all. | ||
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beberly
United States117 Posts
Everyone values money because it provides them the means to do things they enjoy (going out for dinner, a trip to the movies, a nice car, house, etc.). People also value time, because they can spend it doing those things that they enjoy. In order to get better at SC2 (or any hobby, for that matter), you have to spend SOMETHING. That something can be either time, by teaching yourself and slowly improving by analyzing your own replays, or it can be money, by paying a coach to tell you things that, given enough time, you'd figure out yourself. If I have lots of money but little time, I value money less than I value time, and spending money instead of time to improve provides me with more utility than the other way around. If, however, I have little money but lots of time (which is usually the case with younger people who lack a solid income, but have fewer demands on their time), then it makes perfect sense to spend TIME, rather than MONEY, to improve, because I value money much more than time. It's a balance that might sway towards the "I value money way more than time" side for you, but lots of people have plenty of cash and less time. We all spend money on our hobbies, and if you enjoy SC2 and improving, spending money makes perfect sense. It may not be the decision that YOU make, but to say that it's nonsensical for others to make that decision is silly. | ||
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Mayor
United States472 Posts
One time some guy bought coughing and was in silver league, and he wanted to play against his coworker and Destiny just let the student talk to himself the whole lesson because he really couldn't help him too much, like it's a waste of 50 dollars if you're below diamond/masters in my opinion. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
On July 28 2011 03:58 urasheep wrote: Starcraft is a game where you can save your replays. I don't understand why anyone would need the help of someone else to get better. You watch your replay, find out where you failed, change your strat up or work on what you're already doing to make it better, and bam, you just coached yourself. "Find out where you failed." Many times we are unaware of what we are doing wrong. We can watch our replay over and over, but we won't be able to pinpoint what we did wrong because we don't have the experience to tell us that. A lot of low level players will say, "Hey, I totally lost this battle, I think my micro is awful," when in reality his macro is awful. "Change your strat up" It's not really that easy, especially in practice. A good coach will not only be able to identify your weakness but how to fix it. I was coaching my brother on weightlifting, but he had problems I never had. When he did squats, his flexibility was horrible. I never had the problem. What do I say? "GO ALL THE WAY DOWN?" A good coach would be able to identify the core problem and provide cues to fix this. Me, just being a hobbyist weightlifter who was somewhat decent, would never be able to fix it. Whenever I watch videos of people getting coached, it's usually just simple advice like "make drones, make overlords..," which everyone can do by themselves. That's on the quality of the coach, not a criticism on coaching. Supply blocking was a problem for me, but I isolated it by getting a cue... build this structure at this point when you have this much supply and after this building. I practiced it and it went away. My cue might not work for everyone. If I tell people "build this, then build that" I feel like they're not learning. While on the topic of coaching, I find it ridiculous anyone would pay anything more then $5 an hour for coaching. Do you think your coaches payed someone $50 an hour for advice? Probably not. Most personal trainers in any industry cost about that much, from language instruction to martial arts to fitness. | ||
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Kalingingsong
Canada633 Posts
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mlee
United States116 Posts
This is no different. People tend to learn faster when there are others there helping them see things you didn't catch yourself. | ||
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Zidane
United States1684 Posts
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Ipp
United States456 Posts
Yeah, the mistakes may be obvious but it's always nice to get a second opinion by someone who knows the game inside and out. | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On July 28 2011 03:58 urasheep wrote: I don't understand why anyone would need the help of someone else to get better. Really? Really? Shit, how do you respond to something like that? Look at every other hobby/sport/activity ever. | ||
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
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GreatFall
United States1061 Posts
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Azzur
Australia6252 Posts
On July 28 2011 06:31 andrewlt wrote: I don't understand it, either. Most of the examples people bring up, like guitar, violin, tennis, require you to contort your body into unnatural stances as a fundamental. Pretty much something like golf require you to assume a stance before you can play. Coaches are helpful there to remind you when you are doing it wrong and proper positioning technique. The only way I can see that happening in Starcraft is if proper positioning of hands and fingers on a keyboard/mouse would help apm. Otherwise, all the information is right there on the Internet. Now, I understand why professional teams and top amateurs have coaches. I just don't see how bronze and silver league players would benefit from it in Starcraft. It's no different in SC2 compared to other sports. There are fundamentals in SC2 as well. | ||
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bobwhiz
United States725 Posts
I know many people who pay 200 bucks just to watch the stars from the cheap seats in person. | ||
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D_K_night
Canada615 Posts
OP, are you pro? By "pro", let's take IdrA's defintion, which means: You play this game to earn a living. This is your sole means of income. If you don't win, you don't eat. I'm guessing you're not - or you wouldn't asking this question in the first place. Why did IdrA train in Korea? Why does Huk? Jinro? Ask yourself, why they couldn't just train from home. Because your assertion is, why does anyone need help of any kind, when you can just learn on your own? Why do teams have coaches? Yes there are plenty of self-taught people. Does that mean that self-help is absolutely for everyone on this planet? What do you have against money changing hands? Is that your real problem? Why would you pay someone to make a burger for you, when you could do it yourself(and better, right?). | ||
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