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First off, I would just like to say that I'm not dissing anyone for "coaching" people. This is just a simple question that I think needs to be answered.
Starcraft is a game where you can save your replays. I don't understand why anyone would need the help of someone else to get better. You watch your replay, find out where you failed, change your strat up or work on what you're already doing to make it better, and bam, you just coached yourself.
Whenever I watch videos of people getting coached, it's usually just simple advice like "make drones, make overlords..," which everyone can do by themselves.
While on the topic of coaching, I find it ridiculous anyone would pay anything more then $5 an hour for coaching. Do you think your coaches payed someone $50 an hour for advice? Probably not.
Anyways, this blog isn't meant to diss "coaches." I just want to know why people would pay someone $50/hour to do something they can do themselves.
  
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You are not alone sir, I also do not understand why anybody would pay more money to play this game.....I mean, some circumstances would allow the buying of multiple accounts depending on your need (I.E. progamer that needs to have access to all servers)
But for the average joe diamond, coaching, or even buying a second account seems incredibly silly to me.
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there are obvious benefits to coaching. coaches are generally good players. they spot stuff in replays that you will not.
however, i never understood lower level players getting coached. sometimes i tune into destiny or incontrol streams and they are just saying "your minerals are too high" or "you're supply blocked, you missed injects." then i laugh at the person being coached because they wasted their money on things they could practice on their own.
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Dunno, why are there so many coaches for every sports team? Trainers? Why do people hire private coaches for sports? Music lessons? You can record yourself doing it or look stuff up online.
Coaching makes everything easier. Of course it can be done yourself, but it can't be done nearly as well or as quickly.
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The problem is that you assume getting coached and watching replays of yourself is the same thing, it's like asking "Why do people believe in religion when god does not exist?". don't ask questions where you've already decided on the answer yourself.
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To add to those points, it is completely infeasible to accept a job that pays $5 an hour....coaches are human beings as well and also need money to survive. -_-;
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What used to help me in BW was having a better player than me watch my replays with me and point out mistakes I was making. It's similar with a coach. You get immediate, concise and specific feedback. Coaches highlight problems you didn't even know you had and give a fresh outlook on your game.
Can you see that coaching has some value?
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Why do people pay for guitar lessons? Why do people pay for piano lessons? Why do sports players have trainers and coaches when they can just watch their footage themselves? Why watch Day9 analyze a replay when you could just get the replay yourself?
Some people have a much better understanding of a game and can pinpoint things about your gameplay that you would not have even thought to look at. It saves a lot of time, effort, and frustration of the person trying to brute force their way through the learning process on their own.
Watch one of the recordings of people such as incontrol coaching, it definitely helps a ton more than just doing your own self analysis for 99.9% of players.
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If you want to be a progamer or just earn from it through tournament, then it makes some sense to get legitimate coaching. Otherwise, it's just a plain waste of moneys
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On July 28 2011 04:02 Pokebunny wrote:
Dunno, why are there so many coaches for every sports team? Trainers? Why do people hire private coaches for sports? Music lessons? You can record yourself doing it or look stuff up online.
Coaching makes everything easier. Of course it can be done yourself, but it can't be done nearly as well or as quickly.
Well, in other sports you don't have replays like you do in SC2. Anyways, while I was starting off with weight training, I would record myself, look at youtube videos, and make my form look like the person in the video.
It may take a bit longer if you're correcting yourself, but their are many benefits. You learn how to do what you're doing by YOURSELF. That brings a whole new level of experience into it, which, IMO, is better then someone just telling you to do something.
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On July 28 2011 04:08 urasheep wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 04:02 Pokebunny wrote:
Dunno, why are there so many coaches for every sports team? Trainers? Why do people hire private coaches for sports? Music lessons? You can record yourself doing it or look stuff up online.
Coaching makes everything easier. Of course it can be done yourself, but it can't be done nearly as well or as quickly. Well, in other sports you don't have replays like you do in SC2. Anyways, while I was starting off with weight training, I would record myself, look at youtube videos, and make my form look like the person in the video. It may take a bit longer if you're correcting yourself, but their are many benefits. You learn how to do what you're doing by YOURSELF. That brings a whole new level of experience into it, which, IMO, is better then someone just telling you to do something.
People learn in different ways. Coaching isn't for everyone, but some people find it very beneficial. I agree that self-correction is good oftentimes in the long run, but coaching definitely has its place.
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On July 28 2011 04:07 Trumpet wrote:
Why do people pay for guitar lessons? Why do people pay for piano lessons? Why do sports players have trainers and coaches when they can just watch their footage themselves? Why watch Day9 analyze a replay when you could just get the replay yourself?
Some people have a much better understanding of a game and can pinpoint things about your gameplay that you would not have even thought to look at. It saves a lot of time, effort, and frustration of the person trying to brute force their way through the learning process on their own.
Watch one of the recordings of people such as incontrol coaching, it definitely helps a ton more than just doing your own self analysis for 99.9% of players.
Well my opinion is kinda biased, because I started off from brood war and basically had to learn everything myself, there wasn't "coaching" around while I was playing. I felt that if I had a coach I wouldn't have the game sense and confidence going into a game that I do now.
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On July 28 2011 04:10 Pokebunny wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 04:08 urasheep wrote:On July 28 2011 04:02 Pokebunny wrote:
Dunno, why are there so many coaches for every sports team? Trainers? Why do people hire private coaches for sports? Music lessons? You can record yourself doing it or look stuff up online.
Coaching makes everything easier. Of course it can be done yourself, but it can't be done nearly as well or as quickly. Well, in other sports you don't have replays like you do in SC2. Anyways, while I was starting off with weight training, I would record myself, look at youtube videos, and make my form look like the person in the video. It may take a bit longer if you're correcting yourself, but their are many benefits. You learn how to do what you're doing by YOURSELF. That brings a whole new level of experience into it, which, IMO, is better then someone just telling you to do something. People learn in different ways. Coaching isn't for everyone, but some people find it very beneficial. I agree that self-correction is good oftentimes in the long run, but coaching definitely has its place.
Okay, well I agree with you on that. What ever works for you, I guess. I just wanted to get the mindset of people who have gotten coached, you know?
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I don't at all get players below Master League paying for coaching, and even then you better be hoping to get into Grandmaster sometime in the near future. You basically have nothing to gain otherwise other than increasing the size of your E-penis.
I've seen Destiny coach Silver and Gold League players. WHY? Good for Destiny making money for himself, but why are these people paying him $20 an hour for this? What good does it do them?
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Coaching isnt just for low levels, im mid masters and i got coaching from incontrol (Awsome btw). It just an accelerated learning process and is also quite entertaining so i would say its worth paying for.
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I agree. Having a pro tell you every move in the game isn't that benifitial in my opinion. They watch you play and tell you what to do pretty much. Honestly in my opinion, not all games are gonna have similiar situations. They teach you what you should scout for and how to react.
I feel as long as you have a good solid opening with a good transition into a good mid/late game plan you should be fine. Coaches tell you your mistakes and where you can improve. In my opinion you can just go back and watch the replay to see what you did wrong. As far as mechanics, that's all on you on just practicing everyday.
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On July 28 2011 04:10 urasheep wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 04:07 Trumpet wrote:
Why do people pay for guitar lessons? Why do people pay for piano lessons? Why do sports players have trainers and coaches when they can just watch their footage themselves? Why watch Day9 analyze a replay when you could just get the replay yourself?
Some people have a much better understanding of a game and can pinpoint things about your gameplay that you would not have even thought to look at. It saves a lot of time, effort, and frustration of the person trying to brute force their way through the learning process on their own.
Watch one of the recordings of people such as incontrol coaching, it definitely helps a ton more than just doing your own self analysis for 99.9% of players.
Well my opinion is kinda biased, because I started off from brood war and basically had to learn everything myself, there wasn't "coaching" around while I was playing. I felt that if I had a coach I wouldn't have the game sense and confidence going into a game that I do now.
I started off in bw as well. I had friends that watched replays together to help each other improve. That's no different than coaching, except now instead of watching replays with friends you can get a pro player to watch you and show you things you would have never noticed or get you to look at a game in a much different view.
Coaching accelerates the growth of a player, and it's fun to improve no matter what skill level you are.
I wouldn't pay for coaching myself, but I know firsthand how a significantly better player can see things completely differently and already know proper solutions to things.
Would you rather have to practice for hours trying to solve a problem that's already been solved or just have an experienced player bring you up to speed?
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On July 28 2011 04:19 Trumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 04:10 urasheep wrote:On July 28 2011 04:07 Trumpet wrote:
Why do people pay for guitar lessons? Why do people pay for piano lessons? Why do sports players have trainers and coaches when they can just watch their footage themselves? Why watch Day9 analyze a replay when you could just get the replay yourself?
Some people have a much better understanding of a game and can pinpoint things about your gameplay that you would not have even thought to look at. It saves a lot of time, effort, and frustration of the person trying to brute force their way through the learning process on their own.
Watch one of the recordings of people such as incontrol coaching, it definitely helps a ton more than just doing your own self analysis for 99.9% of players.
Well my opinion is kinda biased, because I started off from brood war and basically had to learn everything myself, there wasn't "coaching" around while I was playing. I felt that if I had a coach I wouldn't have the game sense and confidence going into a game that I do now. I started off in bw as well. I had friends that watched replays together to help each other improve. That's no different than coaching, except now instead of watching replays with friends you can get a pro player to watch you and show you things you would have never noticed or get you to look at a game in a much different view. Coaching accelerates the growth of a player, and it's fun to improve no matter what skill level you are. I wouldn't pay for coaching myself, but I know firsthand how a significantly better player can see things completely differently and already know proper solutions to things. Would you rather have to practice for hours trying to solve a problem that's already been solved or just have an experienced player bring you up to speed?
Well, my opinion on it is, when you learn things first hand, with no help, you will come on top and be better then a player who just got told what to do and doesn't understand 100% why he is doing what he's doing.
I also had people watch my replays in broodwar, that's why I kind of brought up the $5/hour thing. I find it completely ridiculous that people charge up to $50/hour just to get help, when in brood war you could go into any channel with half decent players and get help.
Even though I did have people help me though, I still learned myself, and watched my own replays. You get better game sense when you learn things yourself and figure out why you should do something yourself.
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People pay for coaching for the same reason people pay for lessons in any other hobby. They really really enjoy the hobby, and want to get better at a significantly faster speed instead of doing it themselves. But like pokebunny said, coaching itself isn't for everybody. And might not even be necessary.
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I thought that with the economy people would spend money on more necessary things, like gas which they always complain about, but they always spend money on the worst things.
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