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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On June 30 2011 16:20 Kamais_Ookin wrote: Just because I have a lot of posts it doesn't mean anything. I'm open to reason and other's opinions. Ha ha | ||
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PeggyHill
1494 Posts
On June 30 2011 16:17 naventus wrote: Anyone know what T expansion build beats this? It just feels like T expo builds have a huge amount of trouble against P allins that dodge the front (VR , Blink). On the flipside, P expo builds basically hold everything with FF except for execution coinflip against 111 allin. So not sure what to do to make T expos stable vs P. Things he could have done: - scouted the proxy pylon - sniped the obs - scanned the base to see that he hadn't expoed and had robo & twlight Fact is in SC2 that these type of all in builds are ridiculously strong. Terran has the same with tank/marine/banshee/raven all ins etc. It's just the way the game is made. You can't blame competitive players for taking advantage of that. | ||
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MechKing
United States3004 Posts
On June 30 2011 16:19 Engore wrote: He has a tooth ache. Wolf tweeted about it. Poor unstable  Something about GSL commentators and teeth lol, didn't artosis have to go get dental work done? | ||
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
On June 30 2011 16:16 canikizu wrote: SlayerS: lose GSTL, all members lost except Yugioh. What a week. MMA got 4-0ed in the ST. It's been rough for them lately... | ||
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JKira
Canada1002 Posts
On June 30 2011 16:17 naventus wrote: Anyone know what T expansion build beats this? It just feels like T expo builds have a huge amount of trouble against P allins that dodge the front (VR , Blink). On the flipside, P expo builds basically hold everything with FF except for execution coinflip against 111 allin. So not sure what to do to make T expos stable vs P. Just go marauder heavy instead of marine heavy. I know it can be a slight coinflip because if P goes voidrays Terran most likely loses but going marauders is just a lot safer vs P. On the other hand I'm not sure what you're talking about with P expos. 1 gate expo rarely works unless it's a huge map. It's almost always 2gate robo expo or 3gate expo, while a lot of Terrans go 1 rax expo then complain if they get allin'ed. You really think FF is that good? If you 2 rax vs 1gate expo it's almost autowin on most maps in tournament play. | ||
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naventus
United States1337 Posts
but then P allins don't care about map distance because of warpin... maybe large is inherently broken slightly in P favor i guess the point is that T pressure OR allin is completely ruled out on a large map like this, making T early game super predictable, while nothing changes for P | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On June 30 2011 16:17 Kamais_Ookin wrote: GSTL doesn't prove shit, it's just a bunch of BO1's where you snipe/cheese/luck most of the time. Real skill is shown in these single leagues and all code b's and a's pretty much. rofl ok idiot User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On June 30 2011 16:17 Kamais_Ookin wrote: GSTL doesn't prove shit, it's just a bunch of BO1's where you snipe/cheese/luck most of the time. Real skill is shown in these single leagues and all code b's and a's pretty much. Lol.... just lol. Please watch GSTL before you make such comments. GSTL matches are seldom cheesy or lucky. In fact most of them go for pretty long, particularly when we reach the final stages. And you know what's the most ironic comment about your statement? The fact that Tassadar won using all-in builds 3 times in a row. Having said that, SlayerS are definitely in a slump right now. | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
On June 30 2011 16:16 travis wrote: i said 30 and wolf said you can't support 4gates on one base. i really didn't give a shit about the details what i cared about is whether or not thats true. i've had plenty of pvps that go into "mid game" where we are still both on 4gates 1base and yes i constantly produce from my 4gates thats why I know he isn't right. with chronoboosts there is VERY slight downtime on the 4gates. i even just did a test to make sure(dont know why i bothered ive been in the situation many times). the downtime is so slight that even top pro gamers wouldn't keep up with it. and 3gates doesn't even come close to being able to spend your money. So there is down time even with 30 probes which is obviously not what Wolf was talking about and I'm assuming you weren't even making probes, which is generally what's understood by being able to support everything - constant production from all buildings. Even on your technical level with maximum mining (which no one was talking about), you can't support it fully with perfect play. It's not a big deal. | ||
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Engore
United States1916 Posts
On June 30 2011 16:21 MechKing wrote: Poor unstable Something about GSL commentators and teeth lol, didn't artosis have to go get dental work done?No idea but i would play with that man's teeth all the time.. shiet. Can't wait to have me some Tastosis. I hope they cast FXO's GSTL this week. I assume so. | ||
blahz0r
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holycrapitsTony
United States330 Posts
On June 30 2011 16:17 Kamais_Ookin wrote: GSTL doesn't prove shit, it's just a bunch of BO1's where you snipe/cheese/luck most of the time. Real skill is shown in these single leagues and all code b's and a's pretty much. You must be painfully unaware of where the BW progaming scene lies. It's in team leagues. How do you define the strength of a team if it isn't working together to beat another team? | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On June 30 2011 16:21 JKira wrote: Just go marauder heavy instead of marine heavy. I know it can be a slight coinflip because if P goes voidrays Terran most likely loses but going marauders is just a lot safer vs P. On the other hand I'm not sure what you're talking about with P expos. 1 gate expo rarely works unless it's a huge map. It's almost always 2gate robo expo or 3gate expo, while a lot of Terrans go 1 rax expo then complain if they get allin'ed. You really think FF is that good? If you 2 rax vs 1gate expo it's almost autowin on most maps in tournament play. it was all about tassadar getting that probe in and scouting the no gas expo as opposed to a marauder expo... and getting supply blocked like 3 times although I'm guessing he had another build planned for a marauder expo | ||
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HellionDrop
281 Posts
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JKira
Canada1002 Posts
On June 30 2011 16:21 naventus wrote: 2 rax expo is definitely safe, but you will be behind if the P expos early instead. 2rax can't pressure on such a big map, so T is tempted to go 1rax CC builds. but then P allins don't care about map distance because of warpin... maybe large is inherently broken slightly in P favor i guess the point is that T pressure OR allin is completely ruled out on a large map like this, making T early game super predictable, while nothing changes for P P often drops their expo later than T and the midgame turns out fine. The slight difference between who gets their expo up faster is usually negligible because there is only a slight window that you can take advantage of anyways which most people won't cause they'd rather saturate their new expo than commit to an attack so early. | ||
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Miah121
229 Posts
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naventus
United States1337 Posts
but on the big maps, you don't get that mileage out of 2rax, so it's only good defensively. now it certainly would have been strong defensively that game too, since both the marine and marauder count will be high enough for VR or blink. maybe that's the safe build, and then if P expands before you, just try to draw the game out to 3-4 base to even out the advantage. | ||
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StyLeD
United States2965 Posts
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On June 30 2011 16:21 naventus wrote: 2 rax expo is definitely safe, but you will be behind if the P expos early instead. 2rax can't pressure on such a big map, so T is tempted to go 1rax CC builds. but then P allins don't care about map distance because of warpin... maybe large is inherently broken slightly in P favor i guess the point is that T pressure OR allin is completely ruled out on a large map like this, making T early game super predictable, while nothing changes for P Agree with this. At least Ryung gets another chance next season. | ||
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JKira
Canada1002 Posts
On June 30 2011 16:23 Itsmedudeman wrote: it was all about tassadar getting that probe in and scouting the no gas expo as opposed to a marauder expo... and getting supply blocked like 3 times although I'm guessing he had another build planned for a marauder expo True. To Tassadar's credit even though he seems to play an aggressive/allin style it was still a smart decision in the last game based on what he saw. People argue that allin/cheese is essentially coinflipping for a win but if you have continued success in the GSL you're probably doing something right (I know this last sentence is trollbait). | ||
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