• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:44
CEST 16:44
KST 23:44
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru3BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview27Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN3The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL47
Community News
BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack2Weekly Cups (June 2-8): herO doubles down1[BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates9GSL Ro4 and Finals moved to Sunday June 15th13Weekly Cups (May 27-June 1): ByuN goes back-to-back0
StarCraft 2
General
The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation Jim claims he and Firefly were involved in match-fixing Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic DreamHack Dallas 2025 - Official Replay Pack BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack
Tourneys
[GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Ro8 - Group B [GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Ro8 - Group A RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Darkgrid Layout Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance
Brood War
General
BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu BW General Discussion StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest Will foreigners ever be able to challenge Koreans?
Tourneys
[ASL19] Grand Finals [BSL20] GosuLeague RO16 - Tue & Wed 20:00+CET NA Team League 6/8/2025 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Vape Nation Thread
Fan Clubs
Maru Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 28974 users

[OSL] Clash of Titans

Forum Index > News
49 CommentsPost a Reply
1 2 3 Next All

[OSL] Clash of Titans

Text byJWD
August 17th, 2009 00:55 GMT
[image loading]

Thanks SilverskY!


The Bacchus OSL 2009's conclusion is now less than a week away, and I've returned from my vacation (thanks for filling in, Plexa!) to cover its final stages. Here is the skinny on both of its semifinal matches — the one that was easily worthy of an OSL Final, and the one that was barely worthy of mention in this article. It shouldn't be hard to figure out which is which (hint: one's LR thread is 10 pages, and the other's is 111.




Semifinal B: Clash of Titans

[image loading]

The Bacchus 2009 OSL semifinal B's winner would both be the favorite in its Finals and climb on top of today's most intense TvZ rivalry. Heading into this match Jaedong already had an unforgettable Bo5 win over Fantasy (his gritty comeback in the Batoo OSL Finals, of course) under his belt, but it was undoubtedly Oov's prodigy who had most of the momentum. He got the best of JD in both of their most recent encounters, at PL Grand Finals just 7 days before this match. These Proleague sets are must-see games, and a necessary part of any responsible fan's preparation for this titanic semifinal.

Video Recap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ekz9K1WpUTQ


Recommended Viewing

2set: (Z)Jaedong vs. (T)fantasy on Outsider

+ Show Spoiler [VOD] +

This game has everything we've come to expect from these two giants: nail-bitingly close defenses and blindingly swift offensives, precise micro, healthy use of high-tech units, and clever drop play. It doesn't quite stack up to their Proleague game on this same map just a week earlier (what can?) but is well worth watching. If you've got the time, check out the rest of the series too — sets 3 and 4 are dramatic.

Also: Outsider kicks ass. Although slightly imbalanced against Terrans, it has produced a remarkable portion of the recent months' best games. TvZ on Outsider is rarely boring — the map's structure guarantees a satisfying combination of drops (at peripheral expansions) and conventional TvZ micro (in the open middle). I hope Outsider is retained for next OSL season...and how about finally axing Return of the King, possibly the longest-running easily-forgettable map in OSL history?

Match Notes

As is almost always true in best-of-five series which are even after two sets, the third game in this match proved by far its most pivotal. To "reciprocate" Fantasy's traumatizing 2-rax rushes in Pusan a week earlier, Jaedong decided before this match that he would 4-pool in its third game. When Fantasy held JD's first 6 lings, the rush looked like a horrible mistake.

[image loading]

Looks impenetrable

With 2 marines, a well-protected bunker, a factory building, and a virtually unharmed economy, Fantasy was in a very comfortable lead — JD was severely understating when he said "I felt that I was at a disadvantage". Any Zerg would have suicided his remaining lings into the bunker and left the game, or even just typed out immediately upon realizing the situation.

JD is not any Zerg. He took half of his Zerglings to the rear of Fantasy's base, and then charged in to surround the bunker and win the game. Likely out of shock, Fantasy completely failed to react to Jaedong's move (just a few SCVs in the way of those lings would have saved the bunker and his base). This was the match's defining moment for two reasons.

First, it obviously unsettled Fantasy. He dragged out the 3set by lifting his CC and barracks to his natural, lost his composure in his booth after the game (FakeSteve put it best), and, for the first time during the match, stole away from the camera with Coach Oov.

[image loading]
[image loading]

Fantasy is visibly affected by losing to JD's 4-pool

Second, it gave Jaedong enough breathing room for a calculated risk in the 4set on Return of the King. JD considered the probability that Fantasy would wall in (decently high) and the probability that Fantasy would be in a starting position at which some units produced at the wall spawn outside it (2/3, considering JD occupied one of two bases on RotK at which all units will spawn inside the wall) and opened with a 9-pool. The game played out so well for JD that it's easy to peg its result as inevitable after his build order choice. However keep in mind that, had Fantasy spawned at 7:00 or simcitied his main rather than building a poor wall, JD would have been seriously behind. Jaedong's 2-1 lead is what gave him the confidence to bear this risk and thereby score a relatively painless series-clinching win.

This match's lessons are old ones: JD always performs in big matches, and cheese is the ultimate weapon in BoX series. In the hands of competent players, rushes and "strategic plays" have proven ruthlessly effective in countless contemporary Starleague matches, regardless of the cheesed player's skill. Jaedong > Fantasy (Bacchus OSL 2009) now joins July > Best (EVER OSL), Leta > Flash (Lost Saga MSL), Luxury > Leta (Lost Saga MSL), and Bisu > Fantasy (Avalon MSL) as a recent, pivotal Starleague series decided by cheese.




Semifinal A: Yarnc Gets Hyphy on Type-b

Video Recap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xSRLi5m5iA


Recommended Viewing

1set: (Z)YellOw[ArnC] vs. (Z)type-b on Holy World SE

+ Show Spoiler [VOD] +

This series was so garbage that I feel guilty for labeling any of its games "recommended viewing". But if you're absolutely hell-bent on getting a taste for the match in VOD form, watch its 1set. This game features one instance of nice micro (more than can be said for any other set), and is fairly representative of the match as a whole.


Match Notes

Type-b's Cinderella Bacchus 2009 OSL run has come to a cataclysmic halt.

Inbetween terrified glances towards Yarnc's side of the stage and with a helpless look that even an in-booth meeting with three Hite coaches couldn't wipe away, Type-b made several critical mistakes that perfectly illustrated the gap between S-class (JD, Calm, Effort, Yarnc) and A-class ZvZ. Attacking up Yarnc's ramp (suiciding lings) cost Type-b the 2set, and his pathetic response to Yarnc's 9-pool cost him the 3set. The match's final moments were appropriately awful for Type-b. Looking for a swift end to his misery, he attempted an all-in sunken rush; somehow Yarnc's defensive sunk was down before Type-b's offensive one. There's not much else to say about this series simply because it was over so fast: from the moment he was horribly outmicroed in the 1set, Type-b put on his best "deer in the headlights" impression and threw himself in front of Yarnc, whose OSL title hopes have been accelerating steadily since group stages. Splat.

[image loading]
[image loading]

Zeus: "dude, you're sucking"

After the match, Yarnc tried his best not to smile and his teammates tried their bests not to congratulate him for stomping a player who was so clearly his inferior. It was awkward.

Initially I thought having all four of its Ro8 qualifiers on one side of the bracket was an awful situation for Hite. Now I'm not so sure, because it guaranteed the SPARKYZ a slot in the OSL Finals — an honor they have not claimed since Casy faced Chojja in 2006's 1st ShinHan Bank OSL, and one they were unlikely to achieve if Jaedong and Fantasy landed on opposite sides of the bracket. Yarnc is under immense pressure to perform in the Finals, and not only because he will face Jaedong's ZvZ. A bad loss would render Hite's involvement in the Bacchus OSL 2009 totally inconsequential, and cement the general consensus that the OSL Finals were already played in semifinal B.




One More Thing:

Leta implies that Type-b absorbed his skills...Leta must be awful at ZvZ.

[image loading]

Leta (trans. konadora): "I got absorbed so I'm weak now TT TT"




Be on the lookout for a sweet Finals preview in the coming days. And safe travels to all of you Blizzcon attendees!

Peace,
JWD
Facebook Twitter Reddit
✌
Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
August 17 2009 11:10 GMT
#2
good writeup. Man that play in game 3 by JD was so clutch. As I was watching it I was completely sure he would loose after fantasy held the initial 8 lings.

It is the perfect example of why JD can get away with being so aggresive against all players in all games and still win, even though everybody knows he is aggresive as fuck. He always finds a way.
ihasaKAROT: "Wish people would stop wasting their lives on finding flaws in others"
UGC4
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Peru532 Posts
August 17 2009 11:13 GMT
#3
LOL leta so funny.
go.go's board was also really funny..."let you win, so you better win again" or something like that? cute...
#1 Movie fan~ he's got so much skill it oozes out of his skin in the form of acne. ~family comes first~
Navane
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Netherlands2747 Posts
August 17 2009 11:20 GMT
#4
type-b has only 33% ZvZ. That guy has to practice.
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19343 Posts
August 17 2009 11:25 GMT
#5
THATS AN EPIC LETA PICTURE *saves it*
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66155 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-17 11:45:06
August 17 2009 11:44 GMT
#6
Sigh... ZvZ finals.

Great write up though, good job!

Gotta agree about Outsider being an awesome map, no idea why so many complain about it. And yes, take out RotK and bring in 2 new maps or something :<
POGGERS
foeffa
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Belgium2115 Posts
August 17 2009 11:49 GMT
#7
Haha I saw that Leta shot, was epic. Tx for getting the translation. Nice write-up too.
觀過斯知仁矣.
tyr
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France1686 Posts
August 17 2009 11:58 GMT
#8
LOL at the Leta picture, great one.

Jaedong's 4pool was a genius move. The series was over right there.
There was nothing fantasy could have done, even if game 4 turned out differently in the beginning.
Fantasy was too shaken psychologically to be able to play his very best, whereas Jaedong had his confidence boosted.
"I'm always reminded of how manly Jaedong is every time I see him." -Bisu
Roxen000
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
1226 Posts
August 17 2009 12:04 GMT
#9
loleta

Good writeup! I'm looking forward to the finalllllllllllllsssssssss
._.
miseiler
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1389 Posts
August 17 2009 12:39 GMT
#10
Welcome back! Great writeup

That Leta pic is hilarious.
"Jinro soo manly wearing only a T-Shirt while the Koreans freeze in their jackets" -- Double_O
"He's from Sweden, man. We have to fight polar bears on our way to school." -- Yusername
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
August 17 2009 12:54 GMT
#11
On August 17 2009 20:44 konadora wrote:
Sigh... ZvZ finals.

Great write up though, good job!

Gotta agree about Outsider being an awesome map, no idea why so many complain about it. And yes, take out RotK and bring in 2 new maps or something :<


I think people complain about it because it's a bitch to play if you don't know exactly how to play it cause it's so damn different. I don't like playing it either.
Watching it however is a different story, it has produced such a large amount of great games in such a short time.
beep boop
Corrupt
Profile Joined August 2009
Bulgaria1312 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-17 13:20:56
August 17 2009 13:20 GMT
#12
Type-B indeed absorbed Leta's Zerg skills.
Here's a match between Leta and Yarnc, played couple of weeks ago @ Cooltime

Just a guy trying to enjoy living in the worst timeline and failing miserably since 1990.
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
August 17 2009 13:32 GMT
#13
hahahah, sweet sweet Leta tears. great writeup as usual JWD
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9947 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-17 13:46:25
August 17 2009 13:45 GMT
#14
recap videos are the best, very good coverage system you have set up here

thx for the writeup
Moderatorsometimes I get intimidated by the size of my right testicle
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
August 17 2009 14:43 GMT
#15
thanks RaGe! Good to hear some feedback about the format.
✌
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5724 Posts
August 17 2009 14:50 GMT
#16
they're really gm about losing to their teammates.

does anyone have a pic of go.go's board?
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
Pafnucy
Profile Joined October 2002
Poland1124 Posts
August 17 2009 15:18 GMT
#17
On August 17 2009 22:45 RaGe wrote:
recap videos are the best, very good coverage system you have set up here

thx for the writeup


seconded. If games were great I'd watch them like I did with some of semiB ones. Watching recap was still cool after knowing what happened. For Yarnc vs typeB it was only your video, without watching vods and thats enough.

gj with report JWD
Member of the "Fuck Yeah, Canata !" committee :-) to join copy/paste this
jello24
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada327 Posts
August 17 2009 15:22 GMT
#18
leta's tears in that pic is hilarious...

thanks for the summaries, at least i know now not to bother watching Yarnc's Semis...
just lurking around...
stroggos
Profile Joined February 2009
New Zealand1543 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-17 15:23:32
August 17 2009 15:23 GMT
#19
I'd just like to note here that fantasy did two tricky psychology plays in the 1st game, though correct me if i'm wrong. The first play was building his supply at the bottom of his base and rax on the cliff, thus he tried to make jaedong think he was cheesing him in order to make him either 12 pool or at least disrupt his eco somehow. This did not work as jaedong scouted the rax immediately. The 2nd play as a bit more complex. Fantasy went for a strange build. It was the fantasy build but with the cc earlier and the the starport later. By doing this he made jaedong think that fantasy was doing a standard 1 fact cc build, thus jaedong bought his hydras out to the middle of the map, chasing vultures and was probably going for a natural bust or harassment instead of waiting his hydras in his base for the dropship.

Fantasy got enough harassment off to win the game from there...
hi
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
August 17 2009 15:30 GMT
#20
Yeah, I already considered Semifinal B to be the real finals (really really epic games). Yarnc is pretty much going to get raped by Jaedong
Brood War loyalist
1 2 3 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 6h 16m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Harstem 304
Hui .277
trigger 240
ProTech105
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 11220
Sea 3627
Hyuk 3088
Snow 499
Light 384
Stork 269
Soulkey 217
Zeus 142
PianO 126
Rush 52
[ Show more ]
TY 50
ToSsGirL 46
sorry 40
hero 40
Nal_rA 28
Noble 19
scan(afreeca) 17
Yoon 16
Terrorterran 13
IntoTheRainbow 11
HiyA 10
zelot 7
Dota 2
Gorgc5636
qojqva3210
syndereN414
Fuzer 257
League of Legends
Dendi859
Counter-Strike
fl0m985
olofmeister867
Foxcn188
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor120
Other Games
singsing3081
B2W.Neo1396
FrodaN573
C9.Mang0569
crisheroes448
DeMusliM323
Beastyqt283
Mlord206
Mew2King146
ArmadaUGS127
XaKoH 106
elazer95
KnowMe42
Organizations
StarCraft 2
WardiTV675
Other Games
BasetradeTV16
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 6
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• poizon28 25
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3421
• lizZardDota239
League of Legends
• Nemesis6022
• Jankos2410
• TFBlade891
Upcoming Events
OSC
6h 16m
ArT vs ReBellioN
HonMonO vs Ziomek
Shameless vs LunaSea
MilkiCow vs GgMaChine
Moja vs HiGhDrA
Jumy vs TBD
Demi vs NightPhoenix
Solar vs Cham
Replay Cast
9h 16m
OSC
9h 16m
WardiTV Invitational
20h 16m
OSC
22h 16m
Korean StarCraft League
1d 12h
SOOP
1d 18h
sOs vs Percival
CranKy Ducklings
1d 19h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 20h
Cheesadelphia
2 days
[ Show More ]
CSO Cup
2 days
GSL Code S
2 days
Rogue vs herO
Classic vs GuMiho
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Cure vs Percival
ByuN vs Spirit
RSL Revival
5 days
herO vs sOs
Zoun vs Clem
Replay Cast
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Serral vs SHIN
Solar vs Cham
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
BGE Stara Zagora 2025
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
2025 GSL S2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025

Upcoming

Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.