EPT[GG] Team Liquid Mafia - Resurrection
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On December 15 2008 15:02 Scaramanga wrote: If ver flips red, we get him to check someone else if he dosent or lies we lynch that's the thing, he can say mafia members are townies as well as other townies are townies and so on. he doesn't have to lie all the time, just some of the time. and from time to time they can sac, another mafia or something. either way we're being swayed by this one person and he/she gets a lot more power than anyone else and at the same time we have no idea who they are except for one or two people who may or may not be mafia. it's all about trust. once trust gets established, we're less likely to question that person and people who we haven't developed trust in but do question them will be suspected as mafia. and we don't have another 100% sure dt on our side yet to check this one. let's just let this play out before we start placing trust in people. | ||
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On December 15 2008 15:09 chaoser wrote: that's the thing, he can say mafia members are townies as well as other townies are townies and so on. he doesn't have to lie all the time, just some of the time. and from time to time they can sac, another mafia or something. either way we're being swayed by this one person and he/she gets a lot more power than anyone else and at the same time we have no idea who they are except for one or two people who may or may not be mafia. it's all about trust. once trust gets established, we're less likely to question that person and people who we haven't developed trust in but do question them will be suspected as mafia. and we don't have another 100% sure dt on our side yet to check this one. let's just let this play out before we start placing trust in people. sorry about the double post. but i had something else to add >_>;; if we ask this person to check another person (cause they wre right about ver) and they say townie, then what? we trust them? we test his word by lynching the person he said was townie? if he's actually townie, we just killed someone innocent good job. how do we check everything he says? he could be telling the truth till he has enough of our trust to start lying. you could say we will sooner of later find ways to check what he's saying based on clues/we figure out who else is a dt but i don't like to place my bets on the future and what COULD happen so i'm just saying, take everything with a grain of salt. a huge one. | ||
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On December 15 2008 15:49 Ver wrote: ... 1) I am mafia, Ace and the DT are legit. Lynching me straight up is best case scenario. ... see, that's the thing! even if you ARE mafia, they don't have to be legit! they could just be sacing you to gain our trust | ||
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On December 15 2008 15:55 Scaramanga wrote: Dude honestly are you thick or not reading my post, if ver is green well then gw we lynch the fake dt and bam we've traded a mafia for a townie gj, if ver and this dt are both mafia then we get this dt to rolecheck someone else to get a townie web, if he dosent check then we lynch him, either way we get 1-2 townies or a web of people working together first of all, don't call me thick, that's rude. secondly, as I WAS SAYING, they are not stupid enough to do that first option (the trade) and if they do the second option (ver IS red) there's no way for us to 100% know the dt and ace are NOT red. Here, i'll spell it out for you. If ver is red, he's dead, we ask the dt to check someone else. he says he cheked and they are green/townie. now what? how do we check that what he said is correct? you're assuming he doesn't check but that's stupid and would play into what you just said it stupid. he would obviously say he checked. | ||
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On December 15 2008 16:07 Vivi57 wrote: Even then, one less mafia would be good for the town. If nothing else, ace's post says that we need to carefully watch him to see who's side he's really on. 1. If Ver turns up mafia then we need to check out ace to make sure he's not sacrificing one of his own to gain a list of blues. 2. If Ver turns up green or blue, we need to get the name of ace's dt and decide if we want to lynch ace or his "dt" Either way, it will give the town a direction, even if the clues aren't good on the next day 1) will probably happen 2) this probably WON'T happen cause it's too stupid an action if they are mafia (which is the only real reason they would lie.) either way, 1 means we need to still be suspicious, or even more so until we can prove without a doubt that he is straight up blue. i'm on;y saying all this because of the bandwagoning which shows that people are very quick to trust people which is a BAD thing. think for yourselve goddamnit! or else we'll be like mindless lamb for the slaughter | ||
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On December 15 2008 16:19 Camlito wrote: If ver is actually mafia this bandwagon is justified. People can see something as good and agree with what ace found, it's not like they read the name of someone who posted and see "ACE" and just agree with him. but in the future if people argue with ace, people will be more likely to trust ace. this game is all about power/trust balance and once mafia gains more trust than blue, we lose, simple as that. i'm afraid with people throwing trust around so easily (changing from target to target) that we are giving our trust away too easily and i just want to remind everyone to BE SUSPICIOUS! and once again, ver being mafia does not justify ANYTHING. Sure, we got rid of a mafia, but they just gained our trust (which seems to be very easy to do apparently) and thanks nevake, always nice that someone understands | ||
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On December 15 2008 16:28 Camlito wrote: Chaoser i know what you mean  . I've just been in enough mafia games now to see that argument over and over and it just seems repeditive, but i know what you mean. You are right, but the way i read your posts it seemed you wanted to aid the delaying of vers lynch.not at all, i just wanted to get across the message that to not trust false messiahs who bring presents of gold which actually turns out to be pyrite | ||
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On December 15 2008 16:53 Scaramanga wrote: No your not listening, im saying we should sac a dt rolecheck ace to make sure, this means we know without a doubt that he is not mafia, then hes the gotoguy and i'm saying even if a dt rolechecks, who is the dt going to confide in with the information? who can he trust? | ||
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On December 15 2008 16:57 Scaramanga wrote: No one, im saying and i quote from the post you quoted, we sac the dt so we have a go to guy, oh and btw hyper is right, medics dont pretect him im pretty sure hes got one alredy 1) i don't know how i feel about sacing a dt who still has 2 rolechecks in him plus his 2 asking abilities. if anything, he should ask how many mafia voted for ver to be killed. 2) i don't know how the silencer works, does he show up on checks as a townie? or will it say silencer? cause if it's the former, then it would be bad to sac the dt if ace turns out to be the silencer and somehow (low chance here but chance nevertheless) him and mafia linked up on this first day. | ||
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On December 15 2008 17:00 blue_arrow wrote: just get the dts to check other 'valuable' and experienced players, have the dts approach these checked players, and slowly assemble a team. if each of the dts do this we'll have at least 3 small teams, and a good chance dts will find each other and assemble together townies can also make a decision to trust one or two other townies and form a team themselves then as these groups establish themselves, they can approach one individual at a time to increase their numbers isn't this sort of how the town killed the mafia in mafia 2? CONCURRED | ||
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Lastly, the plan is NOT to kill off the inactives. Most inactives will be townies cause usually if you have a role, you'd be involved. And like some people mentioned, they are new/didn't know the thread got moved and so that could be a reason. We could always use an inactive as a fall back if we really have no idea who to lynch but even then I don't like lynch for no real reason besides the fact that they are inactive. | ||
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On December 16 2008 03:21 Ace wrote: no we SHOULD kill inactives. Townie or not, they aren't helping and they might as well be mafia. Everyone knows how to use the search function. If they can't find the game by now, chances are they won't be helping us catch mafia anytime soon. I also only want the DTs to PM me in the event they already vote checked 2 of those lists(highly doubt they did) as a way to conserve vote checks. Stop being so paranoid i'm not being paranoid, it's called being careful. before giving ace or anyone else info, please check them first | ||
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