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R3condite
Profile Joined August 2008
Korea (South)1541 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-24 20:08:43
November 24 2008 20:04 GMT
#1
So recently I saw the FBH vs Jaedong game for PL

SPOILER ALERT DON'T READ FURTHER IF YOU HAVEN'T WATCHED THE LAST GAME OF LECAF VS KHAN






So...yeah I mean i personally don't think this build is or even was feasible.

So like we all know though jaedong found the proxy fact he started out a little badly because the 1 vulture that came out of it did get all of his lings that were currently out.
Which i guess was just a pure mistake on jaedong's part of blocking the wrong side of the factory and I think shortly after FBH really had an edge over jaedong but then suddenly he added physics lab to his sci facility!

At first I thought he was doing it just for shows and I still believe it was just for a "show," but it worked, didn't it?

I mean I'm sure I even heard the Korean commentator say that FBH originally screwed himself over by making BC's when he was low on vessels but they were actually the turning point of the game later on... kind of like a mess that cleaned itself up

so I guess my point is does anyone think that this is a viable strategy or do you think that it was just for show, one time thing, and a slip up on jaedong's part?

I personally think jaedong should have just pumped out more hydras/lurker when he saw the BC's
since FBH didn't have many fact and jaedong already had swarm researched he could have went hydra/lurker just to purely attack the buildings and any firebats that try to challenge the hydras (I mean it's not like FBH could use the cliffs and whatnot to harass jaedong since jaedong could swarm, just ignore, and raid FBH's bases)
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Guss
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Sweden712 Posts
November 24 2008 20:07 GMT
#2
Did he have +3 air weps or something? cause those BC's 1 shot scourge if i recall correctly?
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R3condite
Profile Joined August 2008
Korea (South)1541 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-24 20:11:16
November 24 2008 20:11 GMT
#3
On November 25 2008 05:07 Guss wrote:
Did he have +3 air weps or something? cause those BC's 1 shot scourge if i recall correctly?


aren't scourges' hp 25? I believe he did have 1 or 2 ups for the BC but no-up BC's do 25 dmg to both air and ground so that shouldn't matter...
ggyo...
Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
November 24 2008 20:14 GMT
#4
I think it was just a bm build, don't really see any reason for the BC's.
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masami.sc
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States445 Posts
November 24 2008 20:40 GMT
#5
it was pretty sick... but those bc's are pretty hard to kill... really annoying.
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8178 Posts
November 24 2008 20:42 GMT
#6
I have a feeling that I'm going to run into BCs in any ZvT i play on ICCUP for the next 2 weeks.
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Misrah
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1695 Posts
November 24 2008 20:43 GMT
#7
That game was sweet. But i think that jaedong ignored the BC's for too long. IMO that is what he looked like he was doing, just ignoring them. I agree that hydras would have done wonders. Just plaguuuuuuuuuuu the BC's then have hydras come and clean up. Even un-upgraded hydra will take out BC's easy if they have defiler support.
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tKd_
Profile Joined February 2005
United States2916 Posts
November 24 2008 20:43 GMT
#8
plague those bc's and treat them like vessels with 1 hp
Misrah
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1695 Posts
November 24 2008 20:44 GMT
#9
On November 25 2008 05:07 Guss wrote:
Did he have +3 air weps or something? cause those BC's 1 shot scourge if i recall correctly?


Ohh and BC's can 1 hit scourge with no upgrades. so If the scourge doesn't have +1 carapace, bc's one hit.
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Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
November 24 2008 20:59 GMT
#10
I think it was just a bm build. FBH needed some more vessels at that point but he did make it work with the bcs. Since FBH wasn't making them en-masse, and still pumping mnm + vessel, i guess it was just used to confuse jaedong a bit. Jaedong did wait too long to coutner them.

I use to go bc all the time in tvz and yes, they do kill scourge one hit.
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Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
November 24 2008 21:05 GMT
#11
On November 25 2008 05:43 tKd_ wrote:
plague those bc's and treat them like vessels with 1 hp


Problem with that is that Plague doesn't bring BCs to 1 hp, it'll burn 250 hp or so and stop.

And he can go all faggy style and bring Medics to restore -________-
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GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
November 24 2008 21:16 GMT
#12
On November 25 2008 06:05 Equinox_kr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2008 05:43 tKd_ wrote:
plague those bc's and treat them like vessels with 1 hp


Problem with that is that Plague doesn't bring BCs to 1 hp, it'll burn 250 hp or so and stop.

And he can go all faggy style and bring Medics to restore -________-

Oh BOO HOO, cry more that your area effect spell by a unit with unlimited mana that can eat away thousands of hit points and cripple an entire army without actually freeing up any supply doesn't make EVERY unit completely useless
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
November 24 2008 21:17 GMT
#13
lol@ Bm because FBH used something like battlecruisers to school jaedong.

Get over yourselves.
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bubbabro
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States41 Posts
November 24 2008 21:21 GMT
#14
I think it was a one-time luck thing. But with a few tweaks it could be pretty promising...
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Terranator
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada286 Posts
November 24 2008 21:24 GMT
#15
It's an elite club of Zergs who have been beaten by FBH with Battlecruisers. I wonder if he would have done it to a lesser player.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
November 24 2008 21:45 GMT
#16
Plague does 300 damage over time.
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mog87
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1586 Posts
November 24 2008 22:18 GMT
#17
How is this even a build...he just did normal M&M and made like 4 battlecruisers...I like how everyone ignores how well FBH was protecting his vessels..I think that was a big key as well. And the hydras jaedong made were pretty useless because..FBH was just irridating the Lurks and Ultras..and then stand under swarm with marines and firebats and the hydras were doing no damage and getting killed by the firebats. Now Yamato'ing the spore colonies was pretty funny.
Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11305 Posts
November 24 2008 22:23 GMT
#18
Actually the BCs threw Jaedong off big time. His mindset (as it looked) was onto a classic ZvT lategame, where the Zerg uses Ultraling with defilers and scourge against MM + Vesselcloud. Jaedong had trouble eliminating those BCs and playing the regular style at the same time. So in my mind those BCs were a wildcard move to throw Jaedong off balance - and they suceeded at that.
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Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
November 24 2008 22:28 GMT
#19
That was a sick play by FBH, the BCs did ridiculous amounts of damage because FBH was able to pressure with his medic marine army at the same time and prevent JD from taking decisive action against the BCs. I don't think this is any kind of really viable build as standard, but worked well at surprise.
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Revolutionary
Profile Joined July 2008
Canada38 Posts
November 24 2008 22:29 GMT
#20
The BCs really did throw him off, you could see it, he was like O_O. Plus they took out some important tech.

It's a surprise one-time strategy though.
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