The battlecruisers helped him BIG TIME, they sniped so many defilers. They weren't a surprise because he showed em to a couple of lings. and with the heavy gas zerg end game, jaedong had no gas to make scourges, if he did, he limited his # of ultras greatly. im sure u all know that FBH pulled this shit before and it has shown that BCs are awesome in late game low money situations on both sides, they do enormous damage.

R3condite

Korea (South)1541 Posts

November 24 2008 22:45 GMT

#23

On November 25 2008 07:29 Revolutionary wrote:
The BCs really did throw him off, you could see it, he was like O_O. Plus they took out some important tech.

It's a surprise one-time strategy though.

yeah.. i think the HUH? factor was the real reason jaedong lost that one...

On November 25 2008 07:18 mog87 wrote:
How is this even a build...he just did normal M&M and made like 4 battlecruisers...I like how everyone ignores how well FBH was protecting his vessels..I think that was a big key as well. And the hydras jaedong made were pretty useless because..FBH was just irridating the Lurks and Ultras..and then stand under swarm with marines and firebats and the hydras were doing no damage and getting killed by the firebats. Now Yamato'ing the spore colonies was pretty funny.

when he started making BC's he had like i think 2 vessels left... how is that protecting them really well? the reason he only had like 4 BC at end instead of 9 - 12 was because he had to keep making vessels (and this was from 2 ports)

FBH also did not have such a complete indestructible force as u seem to imply there... jaedong hardly used hydras after BC's came out he went mostly ultra lings...

On November 25 2008 07:35 Creationism wrote:
The battlecruisers helped him BIG TIME, they sniped so many defilers. They weren't a surprise because he showed em to a couple of lings. and with the heavy gas zerg end game, jaedong had no gas to make scourges, if he did, he limited his # of ultras greatly. im sure u all know that FBH pulled this shit before and it has shown that BCs are awesome in late game low money situations on both sides, they do enormous damage.

I think a BC in a Z v T game is a surprise no matter when they come out... but if you are trying to say that jaedong should have known there would be more coming, yes and no. Because unless he could check the flashing lights on the physics lab he might have thought FBH was just screwin around w/ him trying to change the units jaedong would make.

Honestly i can't say anything but that I think jaedong just choked because he was never prepared for BC's to become incorporated into the game like that... he lost lot of his focus and lost his defilers foolishly but then that's no excuse i guess because FBH lost a lot of focus in that game IMO

though im ok w/ the guy, FBH just loses his focus a LOT and sometimes i wonder how he even manages to win against ppl like jaedong

EleanorRIgby

Canada3923 Posts

November 24 2008 22:46 GMT

#24

adding a couple of battle cruisers late game isnt a new build.

zobz

Canada2175 Posts

November 24 2008 22:49 GMT

#25

I think it was really smart from fbh as a psychological tactic. I think jaedong's been looking to start his slump for the last week or two and when he saw that fbh was doing humiliation tactics it broke his spirit and concentration, even if he wasn't that far behind yet.

PoP

France15446 Posts

November 24 2008 23:00 GMT

#26

A little offtopic, but it's not that Jaedong blocked the wrong side of the factory, but he didn't leave enough room for it to come out at its usual spot.

merz

Sweden2760 Posts

November 24 2008 23:05 GMT

#27

It can't really be considered as the "FBH Build" seing how the only thing he did different was throwing in a battle cruiser or two instead of vessles while going SKTerran.

It can be good on certain maps because the bcs requires one hit to take down the scourges, and zerg has to switch to hydras or something in order to take them down which kinda messes up their initial game plan.

R3condite

Korea (South)1541 Posts

November 24 2008 23:17 GMT

#28

On November 25 2008 08:05 meRz wrote:
It can't really be considered as the "FBH Build" seing how the only thing he did different was throwing in a battle cruiser or two instead of vessles while going SKTerran.

It can be good on certain maps because the bcs requires one hit to take down the scourges, and zerg has to switch to hydras or something in order to take them down which kinda messes up their initial game plan.

yeahhh but switching to hydras rn't that hard for zergs... since all of their larvae can morph to hydras in a flash anyhow

KOFgokuon

United States14911 Posts

November 24 2008 23:42 GMT

#29

Can you yamato cannon under dark swarm?

d(O.o)a

Canada5066 Posts

November 24 2008 23:52 GMT

#30

it was like when somebody goes nukes it's not to use a powerful build it is simply to diss the oposing player, keep in mind this is FBH so you should expect something like that from him.

d_so

Korea (South)3262 Posts

November 25 2008 00:02 GMT

#31

i don't think it was a diss. it served strategic importance, especially with two 30+ kills Battlecruiser's late game as they ran out of minerals

intrigue

Washington, D.C9935 Posts

November 25 2008 00:05 GMT

#32

i don't think this was some stupid 'diss.' do you really think any progamer would screw around in a pl ace match against jaedong? the game was still pretty close, so it seems more like a deliberate strategy.

Chill

Calgary25998 Posts

November 25 2008 00:17 GMT

#33

It's very hard to make a decision to switch over to Hydralisks after you've committed to an early game of LurkerLing. That's why this worked. If it becomes popular, Zerg will find the timing to switch and easily crush this.

Biff The Understudy

France8078 Posts

November 25 2008 00:33 GMT

#34

BC took JD off guard and he was already in a pretty bad situation.

It's always good to do something very unexpected when you have an advantage. Your opponent is focusing on other things that punishing your eccentricity and that's where they become really efficient.

blabber

United States4448 Posts

November 25 2008 01:31 GMT

#35

On November 25 2008 08:42 KOFgokuon wrote:
Can you yamato cannon under dark swarm?

don't think it works

meegrean

Thailand7699 Posts

November 25 2008 01:35 GMT

#36

It's always fun to see battlecruisers.

sixghost

United States2096 Posts

November 25 2008 01:42 GMT

#37

On November 25 2008 08:00 PoP wrote:
A little offtopic, but it's not that Jaedong blocked the wrong side of the factory, but he didn't leave enough room for it to come out at its usual spot.

It Came out at the normal spot, he just lifted the factory the moment the vult came out and ran away. Just like nada did at blizzcon vs savior.

alffla

Hong Kong20321 Posts

November 25 2008 01:48 GMT

#38

On November 25 2008 10:31 blabber wrote:

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don't think it works

it works

arb

Noobville17922 Posts

November 25 2008 02:08 GMT

#39

On November 25 2008 10:48 alffla wrote:

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it works

See Nada vs Ameba on Luna

Raz0r

United States287 Posts

November 25 2008 04:11 GMT

#40

I think Terran's a little imba slightly in the late game, as we have seen in our starcraft history in 2007 savior was defeated by firebathero in an outrageous comeback, because he turtled and happened to have a lot of minerals and basically switched his main while savior did everything right, well i guess savior did waste some units but he couldn't just let fbh just build up could he? So i think bcs should be toned down a bit or something.